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Anderson Cooper - whose family is responsible for more suffering in this country than almost anyone, Yet not getting cancelled yet.


The story is on the right. Did you listen to Dr West?



You didn't address his point.


Address Anderson Cooper not being subjected to cancel culture attacks?

I'm not a fan of cancel culture attacks. I'm glad Cooper is not being subjected to them.

How's that?

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Anderson Cooper - whose family is responsible for more suffering in this country than almost anyone, Yet not getting cancelled yet.


The story is on the right. Did you listen to Dr West?



You didn't address his point.


Address Anderson Cooper not being subjected to cancel culture attacks?

I'm not a fan of cancel culture attacks. I'm glad Cooper is not being subjected to them.

How's that?


That's pretty evasive in light of what's actually going on. You seem to be- at least tacitly- supporting the concept that the mere existence of someone like Anderson Cooper is "problematic". The fact that he is a useful tool in promoting said agenda is what stops him from being first against the wall. I think Big Chicagoan made a cogent point that you don't want to address because you really can't.

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The Fox guarding the henhouse is one of the biggest issues with respect to prosecuting police for their indiscretions. The guys doing the "investigating" are often the ones responsible for committing the crimes. It's always going to be tough to get a fair shake with this being the case.


That's a really interesting point that I had never considered.

Maybe all police prosecutions should be performed by an independent body, not an ad hoc special prosecutor, but an adversarial office set up exclusively for those prosecutions. Keep the political decision to prosecute out of the hands of the SA and the task out of the hands of assistants who must then later work with police. It wouldn't have to be a huge office.

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The Fox guarding the henhouse is one of the biggest issues with respect to prosecuting police for their indiscretions. The guys doing the "investigating" are often the ones responsible for committing the crimes. It's always going to be tough to get a fair shake with this being the case.


That's a really interesting point that I had never considered.

Maybe all police prosecutions should be performed by an independent body, not an ad hoc special prosecutor, but an adversarial office set up exclusively for those prosecutions. Keep the political decision to prosecute out of the hands of the SA and the task out of the hands of assistants who must then later work with police. It wouldn't have to be a huge office.


Isn't there already a sort of OIG body or something like that?

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Dr West on a roll.


I wish we could remove John Cusack from the discussion.

I'm back and forth on West. He says crazy shit that gets buried in his mountain of words sometimes. At the same time, I think he has integrity. I don't get the feeling he is self serving or carrying someone else's water.

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The Fox guarding the henhouse is one of the biggest issues with respect to prosecuting police for their indiscretions. The guys doing the "investigating" are often the ones responsible for committing the crimes. It's always going to be tough to get a fair shake with this being the case.


That's a really interesting point that I had never considered.

Maybe all police prosecutions should be performed by an independent body, not an ad hoc special prosecutor, but an adversarial office set up exclusively for those prosecutions. Keep the political decision to prosecute out of the hands of the SA and the task out of the hands of assistants who must then later work with police. It wouldn't have to be a huge office.



Years ago I read the Serpico book. Really insightful as to the dilemma confronting most cops. The guy you're required to snitch on in order for the system to work effectively might be your best friend, your partner, a guy that once saved your life etc. Might not be as easy as it sounds to simply turn them in.

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Anderson Cooper - whose family is responsible for more suffering in this country than almost anyone, Yet not getting cancelled yet.


The story is on the right. Did you listen to Dr West?



You didn't address his point.


Address Anderson Cooper not being subjected to cancel culture attacks?

I'm not a fan of cancel culture attacks. I'm glad Cooper is not being subjected to them.

How's that?


That's pretty evasive in light of what's actually going on. You seem to be- at least tacitly- supporting the concept that the mere existence of someone like Anderson Cooper is "problematic". The fact that he is a useful tool in promoting said agenda is what stops him from being first against the wall. I think Big Chicagoan made a cogent point that you don't want to address because you really can't.


I'm NOT interested in cancel culture. I do not in any way "tacitly" find Anderson Cooper's existence "problematic". I like him very much actually.

Move along, nothing to see here.

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The Fox guarding the henhouse is one of the biggest issues with respect to prosecuting police for their indiscretions. The guys doing the "investigating" are often the ones responsible for committing the crimes. It's always going to be tough to get a fair shake with this being the case.


That's a really interesting point that I had never considered.

Maybe all police prosecutions should be performed by an independent body, not an ad hoc special prosecutor, but an adversarial office set up exclusively for those prosecutions. Keep the political decision to prosecute out of the hands of the SA and the task out of the hands of assistants who must then later work with police. It wouldn't have to be a huge office.


Isn't there already a sort of OIG body or something like that?


Sure there is internal affairs and inspector generals. They aren't really prosecutors. I'm talking about a special team who isn't looking to climb in the SA office, doesn't have to work with police on their cases and is highly specialized in this area. Now, of course, an office funded to prosecute police misconduct probably wouldn't be judicious either when determining if there is a need for their existence.

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Dr West on a roll.


I wish we could remove John Cusack from the discussion.

I'm back and forth on West. He says crazy shit that gets buried in his mountain of words sometimes. At the same time, I think he has integrity. I don't get the feeling he is self serving or carrying someone else's water.


Why even mention Cusack then? He's not germane to the discussion.

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Well that's pretty stupid.

If one of them ends up dead, maybe its not a terrible thing.

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Well that's pretty stupid.



I think there is a small but significant population that doesn't realize there are white protesters and black police officers and white police officers and black protesters.

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Dr West on a roll.


I wish we could remove John Cusack from the discussion.

I'm back and forth on West. He says crazy shit that gets buried in his mountain of words sometimes. At the same time, I think he has integrity. I don't get the feeling he is self serving or carrying someone else's water.


Why even mention Cusack then? He's not germane to the discussion.


for the same reason people respond to the poster and not the post

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Dr West on a roll.


I wish we could remove John Cusack from the discussion.

I'm back and forth on West. He says crazy shit that gets buried in his mountain of words sometimes. At the same time, I think he has integrity. I don't get the feeling he is self serving or carrying someone else's water.


Why even mention Cusack then? He's not germane to the discussion.


for the same reason people respond to the poster and not the post


Same reason people would try to make it about AC rather than what Cornell West had to say for over 9 minutes on live air?

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Out of wedlock births current and 1940
Whites 30% and 3%
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Abortion is more readily available and acceptable in your community. As is drug use.


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Nationally, black women terminate pregnancies at far higher rates than other women as well. In 2014, 36% of all abortions were performed on black women, who are just 13% of the female population. The little discussed flip side of “reproductive freedom” is that abortion deaths far exceed those via cancer, violent crime, heart disease, AIDS and accidents. Racism, poverty and lack of access to health care are the typical explanations for these disparities. But black women have much higher abortion rates even after you control for income. Moreover, other low-income ethnic minorities who experience discrimination, such as Hispanics, abort at rates much closer to white women than black women.

The more plausible explanation may have to do with marriage. Unmarried women are more likely to experience an unintended pregnancy, and black women are less likely than their white, Asian and Hispanic counterparts to marry. It’s true that many of these would-be partners are sitting in prison, but it’s also true that this racial divide in marriage, which started in the 1960s and has grown ever since, predates the “mass incarceration” of black men that took off in the 1980s.

Among civil-rights activists today, talk of black self-destructive behavior is unpopular and minimal. Writing in Commentary magazine last month, Jason Hill, a professor of philosophy at DePaul University, noted the hypocrisy of groups like Black Lives Matter, who “want white people to esteem black lives and value the humanity of black people when they themselves can’t condemn and express moral outrage at those who maim and kill black children in the course of gang warfare, senseless street violence, and drive-by shootings.”

Mr. Hill added that the “moral hysteria raised by a few incidents of police brutality in the face of this larger national tragedy is reckless hyperbole” and “hides from the nation a deep malaise at work in the psyche of some in the black community: a form of self-hatred that manifests itself in a homicidal rage not fundamentally against white people, but against other black people.”


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GoldenJet wrote:
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Dr West on a roll.


I wish we could remove John Cusack from the discussion.

I'm back and forth on West. He says crazy shit that gets buried in his mountain of words sometimes. At the same time, I think he has integrity. I don't get the feeling he is self serving or carrying someone else's water.


Why even mention Cusack then? He's not germane to the discussion.


for the same reason people respond to the poster and not the post


Same reason people would try to make it about AC rather than what Cornell West had to say for over 9 minutes on live air?


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what's the deal with Cooper now ?


He's a Vanderbilt and Big Chicagoan is upset that AC is not facing attacks from the Cancel Culture crowd.

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Among civil-rights activists today, talk of black self-destructive behavior is unpopular and minimal. Writing in Commentary magazine last month, Jason Hill, a professor of philosophy at DePaul University, noted the hypocrisy of groups like Black Lives Matter, who “want white people to esteem black lives and value the humanity of black people when they themselves can’t condemn and express moral outrage at those who maim and kill black children in the course of gang warfare, senseless street violence, and drive-by shootings.”

Mr. Hill added that the “moral hysteria raised by a few incidents of police brutality in the face of this larger national tragedy is reckless hyperbole” and “hides from the nation a deep malaise at work in the psyche of some in the black community: a form of self-hatred that manifests itself in a homicidal rage not fundamentally against white people, but against other black people.” [/i]


Don't know about the "self hatred" part but there is some legitimacy ito what the guy says. In order for Black Lives Matter to be taken seriously they are going to have to expand their message and include crime and violence in black communities. There has to be some accountability there as well. It just cannot be about Cops killing or targeting black people.

The premise behind the movement is in their title. Well if that's the case then black on black crime cannot be excluded from the discussion.

I also hope that they will expand it so that economics are included. Racism is not just a social tool, it's an economic tool also. Their is an economic downside to it which is very much pervasive. As such it cannot be ignored.

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Anderson Cooper - whose family is responsible for more suffering in this country than almost anyone, Yet not getting cancelled yet.


The story is on the right. Did you listen to Dr West?



You didn't address his point.


Address Anderson Cooper not being subjected to cancel culture attacks?

I'm not a fan of cancel culture attacks. I'm glad Cooper is not being subjected to them.

How's that?


That's pretty evasive in light of what's actually going on. You seem to be- at least tacitly- supporting the concept that the mere existence of someone like Anderson Cooper is "problematic". The fact that he is a useful tool in promoting said agenda is what stops him from being first against the wall. I think Big Chicagoan made a cogent point that you don't want to address because you really can't.


To be fair, it’s more likely he doesn’t k ow Cooper’s family history

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Among civil-rights activists today, talk of black self-destructive behavior is unpopular and minimal. Writing in Commentary magazine last month, Jason Hill, a professor of philosophy at DePaul University, noted the hypocrisy of groups like Black Lives Matter, who “want white people to esteem black lives and value the humanity of black people when they themselves can’t condemn and express moral outrage at those who maim and kill black children in the course of gang warfare, senseless street violence, and drive-by shootings.”

Mr. Hill added that the “moral hysteria raised by a few incidents of police brutality in the face of this larger national tragedy is reckless hyperbole” and “hides from the nation a deep malaise at work in the psyche of some in the black community: a form of self-hatred that manifests itself in a homicidal rage not fundamentally against white people, but against other black people.” [/i]


Don't know about the "self hatred" part but there is some legitimacy ito what the guy says. In order for Black Lives Matter to be taken seriously they are going to have to expand their message and include crime and violence in black communities. There has to be some accountability there as well. It just cannot be about Cops killing or targeting black people.

The premise behind the movement is in their title. Well if that's the case then black on black crime cannot be excluded from the discussion.

I also hope that they will expand it so that economics are included. Racism is not just a social tool, it's an economic tool also. Their is an economic downside to it which is very much pervasive. As such it cannot be ignored.

There wont be. And its got nothing to do with black people or white people or anything racial. It's just to do with these times were in where NOBODY takes accountability for anything. Not the president, not the people...not anyone. We desperately need some sort of paradigm shift.


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what's the deal with Cooper now ?


He's a Vanderbilt and Big Chicagoan is upset that AC is not facing attacks from the Cancel Culture crowd.


Incorrect on the second part. Shouldn’t always be so quick to jump to conclusions. I was just pointing out hypocrisy in media and society. I’m completely against cancel culture and the like. But in today’s climate, it is the new reality for many. An awful byproduct of the new America.


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what's the deal with Cooper now ?


He's a Vanderbilt and Big Chicagoan is upset that AC is not facing attacks from the Cancel Culture crowd.


Incorrect on the second part. Shouldn’t always be so quick to jump to conclusions. I was just pointing out hypocrisy in media and society. I’m completely against cancel culture and the like. But in today’s climate, it is the new reality for many. An awful byproduct of the new America.


I didn't say you were pro cancel culture. You were attempting to call out CC for being hypocritical for not attacking AC.

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what's the deal with Cooper now ?


He's a Vanderbilt and Big Chicagoan is upset that AC is not facing attacks from the Cancel Culture crowd.


Incorrect on the second part. Shouldn’t always be so quick to jump to conclusions. I was just pointing out hypocrisy in media and society. I’m completely against cancel culture and the like. But in today’s climate, it is the new reality for many. An awful byproduct of the new America.



If we're all born with and carrying around "original sin", who is carrying more than a Vanderbilt? :lol:

Wouldn't a real "social justice" movement be focused on redistributing Anderson's inherited wealth rather than making soccer players no one has ever heard of grovel, closing a guy's restaurant because he acted like every other asshole chef in history, or kicking Stassi off Vanderpump Rules?

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Out of wedlock births current and 1940
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Blacks 75% and 11%

Abortion is more readily available and acceptable in your community. As is drug use.


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Nationally, black women terminate pregnancies at far higher rates than other women as well. In 2014, 36% of all abortions were performed on black women, who are just 13% of the female population. The little discussed flip side of “reproductive freedom” is that abortion deaths far exceed those via cancer, violent crime, heart disease, AIDS and accidents. Racism, poverty and lack of access to health care are the typical explanations for these disparities. But black women have much higher abortion rates even after you control for income. Moreover, other low-income ethnic minorities who experience discrimination, such as Hispanics, abort at rates much closer to white women than black women.

The more plausible explanation may have to do with marriage. Unmarried women are more likely to experience an unintended pregnancy, and black women are less likely than their white, Asian and Hispanic counterparts to marry. It’s true that many of these would-be partners are sitting in prison, but it’s also true that this racial divide in marriage, which started in the 1960s and has grown ever since, predates the “mass incarceration” of black men that took off in the 1980s.

Among civil-rights activists today, talk of black self-destructive behavior is unpopular and minimal. Writing in Commentary magazine last month, Jason Hill, a professor of philosophy at DePaul University, noted the hypocrisy of groups like Black Lives Matter, who “want white people to esteem black lives and value the humanity of black people when they themselves can’t condemn and express moral outrage at those who maim and kill black children in the course of gang warfare, senseless street violence, and drive-by shootings.”

Mr. Hill added that the “moral hysteria raised by a few incidents of police brutality in the face of this larger national tragedy is reckless hyperbole” and “hides from the nation a deep malaise at work in the psyche of some in the black community: a form of self-hatred that manifests itself in a homicidal rage not fundamentally against white people, but against other black people.”

The crusade against religion might just be what is leading to all these fucking broken homes. See all the hyphenated names and kids having names that never match their mothers', which I will never understand. (If the dad isn't there, or the parents don't get married, why don't they just take the mother's last name, as there has been no formal name change with hers? Why do they give the kid a different name? Is it an attempt to tie the father in to the child's life financially?) If people had something to structure themselves by, and a sense of morality about them, they don't just go around killing babies, or even making them out of wedlock. God is so far in the rearview mirror for most people these days, and it is not just disappointing, its scary.

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 Post subject: Re: I Can't Breathe II
PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2020 9:27 am 
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Among civil-rights activists today, talk of black self-destructive behavior is unpopular and minimal. Writing in Commentary magazine last month, Jason Hill, a professor of philosophy at DePaul University, noted the hypocrisy of groups like Black Lives Matter, who “want white people to esteem black lives and value the humanity of black people when they themselves can’t condemn and express moral outrage at those who maim and kill black children in the course of gang warfare, senseless street violence, and drive-by shootings.”

Mr. Hill added that the “moral hysteria raised by a few incidents of police brutality in the face of this larger national tragedy is reckless hyperbole” and “hides from the nation a deep malaise at work in the psyche of some in the black community: a form of self-hatred that manifests itself in a homicidal rage not fundamentally against white people, but against other black people.” [/i]


Don't know about the "self hatred" part but there is some legitimacy ito what the guy says. In order for Black Lives Matter to be taken seriously they are going to have to expand their message and include crime and violence in black communities. There has to be some accountability there as well. It just cannot be about Cops killing or targeting black people.

The premise behind the movement is in their title. Well if that's the case then black on black crime cannot be excluded from the discussion.

I also hope that they will expand it so that economics are included. Racism is not just a social tool, it's an economic tool also. Their is an economic downside to it which is very much pervasive. As such it cannot be ignored.

There wont be. And its got nothing to do with black people or white people or anything racial. It's just to do with these times were in where NOBODY takes accountability for anything. Not the president, not the people...not anyone. We desperately need some sort of paradigm shift.


Well when you talk about "accountability" then the notion that we are a capitalist system must be factored in. We aren't Capitalist nor have we ever been capitalist. The "guiding hand of Govt" has always paralleled our so called Capitalist system.

The first lever of accountability has to be that.

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