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Citizens using the 2A to overthrow the government. Freedom fighters.



That's great if enough people agree with them. We'll see if that's the case. I'm pretty sure you don't.

I don't want the government overthrown.



I know you don't.

I, on the other hand, take a more observational approach. We'll have whatever government we want.

Koresh and Weaver were minding their own business on their own property when they were beseiged by federal agents. This faux Robspierre has seized city streets and so far everyone is ignoring it and Trump is going to be the bad guy when he puts a stop to it.

I know a lot of people find Donald Trump distasteful, but they should be concerned about what's going to replace him. Because it ain't 'Ol Joe from Scranton.

Koresh was fucking 12 year olds, wasn't he?


His business was fucking 12 year-olds and business was good.

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Yeah BLM, Kap and cops killing Black kids and men was in Obama and even before. If anything by some weird logic Trump's era has caused more progress to awaken the masses to the problem. :wink:


Women demanding the right to vote predated Woodrow Wilson too. Change generally takes generations.


No I had serious queries about how personally do Black cops feel about their supposed blue brothers doing this shit. Also getting lumped in with all cops are bad and lastly are they made to shut up and get in line. Basically, how systemic is this garbage.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Citizens using the 2A to overthrow the government. Freedom fighters.



That's great if enough people agree with them. We'll see if that's the case. I'm pretty sure you don't.

I don't want the government overthrown.



I know you don't.

I, on the other hand, take a more observational approach. We'll have whatever government we want.

Koresh and Weaver were minding their own business on their own property when they were beseiged by federal agents. This faux Robspierre has seized city streets and so far everyone is ignoring it and Trump is going to be the bad guy when he puts a stop to it.

I know a lot of people find Donald Trump distasteful, but they should be concerned about what's going to replace him. Because it ain't 'Ol Joe from Scranton.

Koresh was fucking 12 year olds, wasn't he?

Do you mean specifically during the incursion, or just in general?

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 Post subject: Re: I Can't Breathe II
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There are 360 million police interactions with citizens every year in this country according to the top cop who complained about media coverage the other day. He says that most cops aren't like the the guy in Minnesota and that most interactions don't end that way. He's ABSOLUTELY right.

All poor people aren't criminals either. Also, why are there 360 million police interactions with citizens every year? Why are there 10 million arrests annually and more than 95% aren't for violent crimes? These are the things that poor people have been complaining about for years and they are finally being "heard".

Saying "I would listen to poor people cries for equal protection IF it wasn't because of rioting or editorials." is just another way of saying that you aren't interested in listening period. It's also like someone saying nearly 250 years ago that they would have been cool with independence but they saw a few guys take tea home.

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Yeah BLM, Kap and cops killing Black kids and men was in Obama and even before. If anything by some weird logic Trump's era has caused more progress to awaken the masses to the problem. :wink:


Women demanding the right to vote predated Woodrow Wilson too. Change generally takes generations.


No I had serious queries about how personally do Black cops feel about their supposed blue brothers doing this shit. Also getting lumped in with all cops are bad and lastly are they made to shut up and get in line. Basically, how systemic is this garbage.


It's a fraternity and most support blue above everything else. Black cops and correction officers that I know SWEAR that they would and have told someone who was crossing the line to relax. I've been to some of the parties and have heard enough stories to know that they aren't exempt from criticism and that MANY have abused their power too and MOST look down on "poor" people.

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There are 360 million police interactions with citizens every year in this country.

This is why there is only two ways this goes forward: No more police or violent clampdown on the protests. There is absolutely no room for middle ground anymore because its a certainty that as long as there are police there will come a moment when something like the George Floyd arrest is caught on film again. Then comes the riots.

I truly wish it were not this way, but it is. We are going to play this exact thing out again in the coming years, there is no stopping it. It's as inevitable as time.


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Yeah BLM, Kap and cops killing Black kids and men was in Obama and even before. If anything by some weird logic Trump's era has caused more progress to awaken the masses to the problem. :wink:


Women demanding the right to vote predated Woodrow Wilson too. Change generally takes generations.


No I had serious queries about how personally do Black cops feel about their supposed blue brothers doing this shit. Also getting lumped in with all cops are bad and lastly are they made to shut up and get in line. Basically, how systemic is this garbage.


It's a fraternity and most support blue above everything else. Black cops and correction officers that I know SWEAR that they would and have told someone who was crossing the line to relax. I've been to some of the parties and have heard enough stories to know that they aren't exempt from criticism and that MANY have abused their power too and MOST look down on "poor" people.


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 Post subject: Re: I Can't Breathe II
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FavreFan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Citizens using the 2A to overthrow the government. Freedom fighters.



That's great if enough people agree with them. We'll see if that's the case. I'm pretty sure you don't.

I don't want the government overthrown.



I know you don't.

I, on the other hand, take a more observational approach. We'll have whatever government we want.

Koresh and Weaver were minding their own business on their own property when they were beseiged by federal agents. This faux Robspierre has seized city streets and so far everyone is ignoring it and Trump is going to be the bad guy when he puts a stop to it.

I know a lot of people find Donald Trump distasteful, but they should be concerned about what's going to replace him. Because it ain't 'Ol Joe from Scranton.

Koresh was fucking 12 year olds, wasn't he?



I don't think that was why the federal government attacked him.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Citizens using the 2A to overthrow the government. Freedom fighters.



That's great if enough people agree with them. We'll see if that's the case. I'm pretty sure you don't.

I don't want the government overthrown.



I know you don't.

I, on the other hand, take a more observational approach. We'll have whatever government we want.

Koresh and Weaver were minding their own business on their own property when they were beseiged by federal agents. This faux Robspierre has seized city streets and so far everyone is ignoring it and Trump is going to be the bad guy when he puts a stop to it.

I know a lot of people find Donald Trump distasteful, but they should be concerned about what's going to replace him. Because it ain't 'Ol Joe from Scranton.

Koresh was fucking 12 year olds, wasn't he?



I don't think that was why the federal government attacked him.

Maybe not, but I don't think I'd describe what he was doing as minding his own business :lol:

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Koresh was fucking 12 year olds, wasn't he?



I don't think that was why the federal government attacked him.

Maybe not, but I don't think I'd describe what he was doing as minding his own business :lol:


:lol: I'm not defending crazy Vernon Howell. But I don't think they knew that when they attacked his compound.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Citizens using the 2A to overthrow the government. Freedom fighters.



That's great if enough people agree with them. We'll see if that's the case. I'm pretty sure you don't.

I don't want the government overthrown.



I know you don't.

I, on the other hand, take a more observational approach. We'll have whatever government we want.

Koresh and Weaver were minding their own business on their own property when they were beseiged by federal agents. This faux Robspierre has seized city streets and so far everyone is ignoring it and Trump is going to be the bad guy when he puts a stop to it.

I know a lot of people find Donald Trump distasteful, but they should be concerned about what's going to replace him. Because it ain't 'Ol Joe from Scranton.

Koresh was fucking 12 year olds, wasn't he?



I don't think that was why the federal government attacked him.

Iirc that was included with the weapons charges that were the stated reasons for going in.

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You could swap the parties and youd still be correct.


That's a commonly held misconception that is pushed by right wing Republicans. Not saying you're one but just saying.

There are racist people in the Democratic Party and frankly I believe that Biden is one too. However when you look at the record over the past 50 years you will see where the differencs lie.

There are serious policy (Affirmative Action, Gay/Lesbian Social Programs) differences between the 2 that have arisen since the passage of the Civil Rights Bill. That's makes it tough to say that they are one and the same. They aren't and haven't been for awhile.

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You could swap the parties and youd still be correct.


That's a commonly held misconception that is pushed by right wing Republicans. Not saying you're one but just saying.

There are racist people in the Democratic Party and frankly I believe that Biden is one too. However when you look at the record over the past 50 years you will see where the differencs lie.

There are serious policy (Affirmative Action, Gay/Lesbian Social Programs) differences between the 2 that have arisen since the passage of the Civil Rights Bill. That's makes it tough to say that they are one and the same. They aren't and haven't been for awhile.


Yeah but not all differences weigh the same right.

Before Trump, you could say centrist Dems and Republicans believed more or less the same about the following:

Upholding the post-WW2 international order and the alliances and trade agreements on which its built

Free market economy with differences on regulations

Just two and I know there are more but these are quite heavy on the scale.

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You could swap the parties and youd still be correct.


That's a commonly held misconception that is pushed by right wing Republicans. Not saying you're one but just saying.

There are racist people in the Democratic Party and frankly I believe that Biden is one too. However when you look at the record over the past 50 years you will see where the differencs lie.

There are serious policy (Affirmative Action, Gay/Lesbian Social Programs) differences between the 2 that have arisen since the passage of the Civil Rights Bill. That's makes it tough to say that they are one and the same. They aren't and haven't been for awhile.


Yeah but not all differences weigh the same right.

Before Trump, you could say centrist Dems and Republicans believed more or less the same about the following:

Upholding the post-WW2 international order and the alliances and trade agreements on which its built

Free market economy with differences on regulations

Just two and I know there are more but these are quite heavy on the scale.


You won't see much variance foreign policy wise but domestically there are differences and have been for 50 years or so.

There has also been stark differences in the tax policies of each.

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You could swap the parties and youd still be correct.


That's a commonly held misconception that is pushed by right wing Republicans. Not saying you're one but just saying.

There are racist people in the Democratic Party and frankly I believe that Biden is one too. However when you look at the record over the past 50 years you will see where the differencs lie.

There are serious policy (Affirmative Action, Gay/Lesbian Social Programs) differences between the 2 that have arisen since the passage of the Civil Rights Bill. That's makes it tough to say that they are one and the same. They aren't and haven't been for awhile.

I was specifically referring to the first sentence, about only caring about winning. My regrets if that wasn't sufficiently clear.

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Awful. It should be "don't you dare lie down"!

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I still havent seen more than 5 seconds of this video on loop.

Where is this so-called 9 minute video?

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I still havent seen more than 5 seconds of this video on loop.

Where is this so-called 9 minute video?


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I still havent seen more than 5 seconds of this video on loop.

Where is this so-called 9 minute video?

pornhub.com/gay

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I still havent seen more than 5 seconds of this video on loop.

Where is this so-called 9 minute video?


CLTV

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Wait, did Rush release this? You know at some point these cops are going to stop providing those basic personal security services so willingly.


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:lol:

Reminds me of pulling Staff Duty in the Army

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They de-escalated the situation.

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They de-escalated the situation.


So that's 5 more that will be fired....they won't need to defund or abolish the police, pretty soon they'll all be fired


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The community was allowed to process their grief and pain without having the police there to incite more violence.

These guys should get a raise and promotions.

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Supposedly there is body cam footage of the lady in the brickyard video punching an officer before running to her car. Which is where the online video starts.

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Supposedly there is body cam footage of the lady in the brickyard video punching an officer before running to her car. Which is where the online video starts.


The hell you say!

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