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So I'm a piece of shit for calling you out for moralizing and excusing Floyd's armed assault of a pregnant woman, but to you Floyd ISN'T a piece of shit for assaulting a pregnant woman with a weapon. You're not just a nasty fuck, you're an incredibly nasty fuck.

And you asked if I had ever assaulted someone. Assault is typically referring to the criminal charge.

I give a perpetrator a pass when he's done his time. You don't. That's your prerogative. Floyd did 5 years and was released in 2012. I found no convictions since then. Now if all you got is a bad check and "resisting" arrest in those 8 years, please put it forward. If not, he's no 2nd class citizen. Not to me anyway, an incredibly nasty fuck.


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I never said he should be judged and defined solely by that act. But let's also not forget that MANY people's "worst thing" absolutely pale in comparison to Floyd's "worst thing".


All this talk of police violence is distracting us from realizing what a monumental piece of shit a guy I didn't know existed three weeks ago is.


"WAS" He is dead.

Ironically, if the police where not violent, then we would not even know this guy existed.


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 Post subject: Re: George Floyd
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You can be a piece of shit and still not deserve to be murdered.

So, like Good Dolphin said, it doesn't matter.

Half of America would be eliminated if we decided we should murder all Americans that are ass holes. White or black - all races for that matter.

All he did in this case was pass a bad $20 bill.


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https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/06/12/ ... al-record/

While Floyd was indeed arrested for his involvement in a home robbery in 2007 (we conducted a detailed analysis of Floyd’s criminal record, including the robbery from 2007, in this article), no evidence suggests that Henriquez was pregnant, or that Floyd threatened to kill her baby. Henriquez was injured during the incident, though the police report says the injuries were inflicted by another man, not Floyd.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... ruggled-d/

The woman, who was home with a one-year-old girl, “tentatively identified defendant George Floyd” as one of the men who forced his way into her home by pretending to work for the water department, pointed a gun at her abdomen, and forced her into the living room. The men took jewelry and her cellphone before leaving.

I would think if she was pregnant, the Washington Times would have mentioned it.


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The woman, who was home with a one-year-old girl, “tentatively identified defendant George Floyd” as one of the men who forced his way into her home by pretending to work for the water department, pointed a gun at her abdomen, and forced her into the living room. The men took jewelry and her cellphone before leaving.

I would think if she was pregnant, the Washington Times would have mentioned it.


I also heard he buys drinks when out with his buddies.

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Yep! Confirmation Bias at work as always

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Whatever the worst thing any of us have done in our lives, you can bet your ass that there are people like JLN that believe "their" worst thing is minor in comparison. On some level we're all probably that persot.

No, stop this. Most people have done nothing on the level of assaulting a pregnant woman with a gun. Just fucking stop it.


Litigation Notes displaying his hypocrisy and whatever else you want to call it yet again. You, as well as your compadres spent a 1 week or 2 defending a guy that hunted someone down in a pickup truck and killed him. By all accounts it was racially motivated. At no point did you or your compadre state that he was a piece of shit. Never crossed your mind.
During the entire exercise the murder victim was the perpetrator as far as you and the usual suspects were concerned. If George Floyd is a piece of shit as far you are concerned then so are the people that killed Arbery in Atlanta. You will never consider them that though and I think we both know why.

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 Post subject: Re: George Floyd
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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Nas wrote:
Whatever the worst thing any of us have done in our lives, you can bet your ass that there are people like JLN that believe "their" worst thing is minor in comparison. On some level we're all probably that persot.

No, stop this. Most people have done nothing on the level of assaulting a pregnant woman with a gun. Just fucking stop it.


Litigation Notes displaying his hypocrisy and whatever else you want to call it yet again. You, as well as your compadres spent a 1 week or 2 defending a guy that hunted someone down in a pickup truck and killed him. By all accounts it was racially motivated. At no point did you or your compadre state that he was a piece of shit. Never crossed your mind.
During the entire exercise the murder victim was the perpetrator as far as you and the usual suspects were concerned. If George Floyd is a piece of shit as far you are concerned then so are the people that killed Arbery in Atlanta. You will never consider them that though and I think we both know why.
:roll: Never once did I defend them (saying that it's possible for the aggressor in a situation to be put in reasonable fear for their life is not defending their actions, nor is questioning the specifics of the narrative that Arbery was out for a marathon-length jog). I also was never pointedly asked whether the blumpkins (which I did call them that) were pieces of shit, and there was nobody that I saw trying to minimize an act from their past as heinous as assaulting a pregnant woman with a firearm in order to characterize them as "gentle giants".


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George Floyd is dead, O.J. is free. We're even.


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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Nas wrote:
Whatever the worst thing any of us have done in our lives, you can bet your ass that there are people like JLN that believe "their" worst thing is minor in comparison. On some level we're all probably that persot.

No, stop this. Most people have done nothing on the level of assaulting a pregnant woman with a gun. Just fucking stop it.


Litigation Notes displaying his hypocrisy and whatever else you want to call it yet again. You, as well as your compadres spent a 1 week or 2 defending a guy that hunted someone down in a pickup truck and killed him. By all accounts it was racially motivated. At no point did you or your compadre state that he was a piece of shit. Never crossed your mind.
During the entire exercise the murder victim was the perpetrator as far as you and the usual suspects were concerned. If George Floyd is a piece of shit as far you are concerned then so are the people that killed Arbery in Atlanta. You will never consider them that though and I think we both know why.
:roll: Never once did I defend them (saying that it's possible for the aggressor in a situation to be put in reasonable fear for their life is not defending their actions, nor is questioning the specifics of the narrative that Arbery was out for a marathon-length jog). I also was never pointedly asked whether the blumpkins (which I did call them that) were pieces of shit, and there was nobody that I saw trying to minimize an act from their past as heinous as assaulting a pregnant woman with a firearm in order to characterize them as "gentle giants".


The old "I'm not defending them I'm just establishing plausible deniability for their actions" routine

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Since we're now in the hypothetical realm where "they committed a crime, any old one will do": what if Aubery was truly gaining control over the gun during the struggle?


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13 miles from his home, no bike, no car, not stealing anything...what the hell was he doing, if not jogging? I don't want to give too much credence to the notion that the reason for his presence in that area plays a significant role in whether the shooting was justified, and far be it from me to question a crying, grieving man such as yourself, but if he was 13 miles away when this happened, and he left his home to take this jog, doesn't that mean the dude was running a marathon-distance course? AND that marathon-distance course that he jogs just happens to take him near the house construction site he apparently visited at night previously? Doesn't that strain credulity at all for you?


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Ok then you have no factual basis for thinking that he wasn't there to jog.Questioning the jogging narrative rationally flows from observing the fact that his return trip home would have resulted in a 26-mile jogging route, in concert with the fact that his 26-mile jog took him into the neighborhood he had visited previously at night to trespass onto property under construction.



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But if they argue that the guy grabbed the gun and had gotten a hold of it, and the physical evidence backs that account to some degree, proving anything beyond a reasonable doubt in the face of a self-defense claim backed by evidence probably gets a good bit harder. It becomes Zimmerman 2.0.

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Yeah, like I said, questioning the plausibility of the jogging narrative is not defending his killers, nor is saying that it becomes harder to convict them if he really was grabbing the gun. I never once argued that they didn't do anything wrong or were justified in their actions.


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Yeah, like I said, questioning the plausibility of the jogging narrative is not defending his killers, nor is saying that it becomes harder to convict them if he really was grabbing the gun. I never once argued that they didn't do anything wrong or were justified in their actions.


When over 99% of your posts are in regards to the actions of the victim and not the perpetrators of the act it's safe to presume which way you were leaning.

Not to mention the fact that there were crickets the second the guy in the courthouse attempted to explain what actually happened.

This after 1-2 weeks of you and the gang arguing that it couldn't be racist, that he was a thief and not a jogger, and it was his fault for running up on guys with guns pointed at him.

Now you're arguing that Floyd is a piece of shit for pointing a gun at a pregnant woman. Well shouldn't those guys be "pieces of shit" based on your knowing that they chased a guy down in a truck and killed him for no apparent reason?

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This after 1-2 weeks of you and the gang arguing that it couldn't be racist, that he was a thief and not a jogger, and it was his fault for running up on guys with guns pointed at him.
I never argued any of this. Don't put words in my mouth.


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At the end of the day the Arbery and Floyd killings were motivated more by pre-existing beefs people had against each other than racism. That's the ultimate sham in all this.

Liberals are correct in identifying that there is something fundamentally wrong with the USA. That is plagued by some sort of illness rotting it from the inside. Where they've gone wrong is their diagnosis. Its not racism that is killing the USA, its bitterness. Its an entitlement me-first mentality that permeates every square inch of American life. That's why people feel justified in killing each other over petty squabbles, they only consider their own world.


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At the end of the day the Arbery and Floyd killings were motivated more by pre-existing beefs people had against each other than racism. That's the ultimate sham in all this.

Liberals are correct in identifying that there is something fundamentally wrong with the USA. That is plagued by some sort of illness rotting it from the inside. Where they've gone wrong is their diagnosis. Its not racism that is killing the USA, its bitterness. Its an entitlement me-first mentality that permeates every square inch of American life. That's why people feel justified in killing each other over petty squabbles, they only consider their own world.


The "But for the Liberals" argument is old and tired. Get some new material.

A guy testified that a racial slur was used against Arbery the second after he was shot. He was chased down in a truck for no reason. You have no information other than your standardized, repetitive dissenting opinion with which to work from.

You're going to need a little more than that.

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This after 1-2 weeks of you and the gang arguing that it couldn't be racist, that he was a thief and not a jogger, and it was his fault for running up on guys with guns pointed at him.
I never argued any of this. Don't put words in my mouth.


So your speculation as to why he happened to be jogging 13 miles away from home was merely provided because of an overriding need to be inquisitive?

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At the end of the day the Arbery and Floyd killings were motivated more by pre-existing beefs people had against each other than racism. That's the ultimate sham in all this.

Liberals are correct in identifying that there is something fundamentally wrong with the USA. That is plagued by some sort of illness rotting it from the inside. Where they've gone wrong is their diagnosis. Its not racism that is killing the USA, its bitterness. Its an entitlement me-first mentality that permeates every square inch of American life. That's why people feel justified in killing each other over petty squabbles, they only consider their own world.


The "But for the Liberals" argument is old and tired. Get some new material.

A guy testified that a racial slur was used against Arbery the second after he was shot. He was chased down in a truck for no reason. You have no information other than your standardized, repetitive dissenting opinion with which to work from.

You're going to need a little more than that.

Just because a slur was used doesn't mean race is what motivated the crime.


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Antarctica wrote:
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Antarctica wrote:
At the end of the day the Arbery and Floyd killings were motivated more by pre-existing beefs people had against each other than racism. That's the ultimate sham in all this.

Liberals are correct in identifying that there is something fundamentally wrong with the USA. That is plagued by some sort of illness rotting it from the inside. Where they've gone wrong is their diagnosis. Its not racism that is killing the USA, its bitterness. Its an entitlement me-first mentality that permeates every square inch of American life. That's why people feel justified in killing each other over petty squabbles, they only consider their own world.


The "But for the Liberals" argument is old and tired. Get some new material.

A guy testified that a racial slur was used against Arbery the second after he was shot. He was chased down in a truck for no reason. You have no information other than your standardized, repetitive dissenting opinion with which to work from.

You're going to need a little more than that.

Just because a slur was used doesn't mean race is what motivated the crime.


Yes it does.

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This after 1-2 weeks of you and the gang arguing that it couldn't be racist, that he was a thief and not a jogger, and it was his fault for running up on guys with guns pointed at him.
I never argued any of this. Don't put words in my mouth.


So your speculation as to why he happened to be jogging 13 miles away from home was merely provided because of an overriding need to be inquisitive?

Because it was so obviously bullshit. I don't know what he was doing there, but he wasn't finishing the outgoing leg of a 26 mile jog.


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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This after 1-2 weeks of you and the gang arguing that it couldn't be racist, that he was a thief and not a jogger, and it was his fault for running up on guys with guns pointed at him.
I never argued any of this. Don't put words in my mouth.


So your speculation as to why he happened to be jogging 13 miles away from home was merely provided because of an overriding need to be inquisitive?

Because it was so obviously bullshit. I don't know what he was doing there, but he wasn't finishing the outgoing leg of a 26 mile jog.


You don't know that for sure. There have actually been reports that he'd jogged in the area previously. If he wasn't there to jog then it must have been for something nefarious but you as always, "never said that".

It is old hat at this point.

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
long time guy wrote:
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This after 1-2 weeks of you and the gang arguing that it couldn't be racist, that he was a thief and not a jogger, and it was his fault for running up on guys with guns pointed at him.
I never argued any of this. Don't put words in my mouth.


So your speculation as to why he happened to be jogging 13 miles away from home was merely provided because of an overriding need to be inquisitive?

Because it was so obviously bullshit. I don't know what he was doing there, but he wasn't finishing the outgoing leg of a 26 mile jog.


You don't know that for sure. There have actually been reports that he'd jogged in the area previously. If he wasn't there to jog then it must have been for something nefarious but you as always, "never said that".

It is old hat at this point.
That's right, I never said or intimated that. All I've ever said is that I don't know what brought him to the area.


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Here's another one for you ZLN.

Tough to sell drawing your gun on a group of unarmed teens, either this cop is a psycho that shouldn't be patrolling or there's something that might begin to justify is cautiousness about keeping the teens at a distance until backup arrives.

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In a statement on Tuesday, the Clayton County Police Department suggested that officer body camera footage would help to clarify the incident.

“The Clayton County Police Department leadership is aware of the incident and the video that is on social media involving what appears to be young teenagers,” the statement said. “What everyone is seeing is a small portion of the entire incident.”

The department said that it would release body camera video as well as audio of the 911 call that prompted the dispatch of officers.
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You don't know that for sure. There have actually been reports that he'd jogged in the area previously. If he wasn't there to jog then it must have been for something nefarious but you as always, "never said that".
It is old hat at this point.

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That's right, I never said or intimated that. All I've ever said is that I don't know what brought him to the area.


You "don't know what brought him to the area" but you do know that it wasn't jogging. Again you ain't saying you're just saying. You never focused on the actions of the person that pulled the trigger. Not once. That in of itself said everything that needed to be said.

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