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3rd - 12th grade was in Gurnee. I learned the "N Pile" game..."catch a "tiger" by the toe"..."Daniel Boone was a man, he was a big man, but the bear was bigger so he ran like a N-word through the woods" song...they still come to mind way more frequently than I'd like to admit.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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The whole idea that only certain people are "allowed" to use certain words should be reprehensible to all of us.

I get what you are trying to say here, but I certainly don't find this even close to the most reprehensible thing surrounding who uses the word and for what purpose.


I don't get it. We live in a multinational country where we all know that certain offensive things can't be said by others outside of that group. If Shakes uses a known Jewish slur towards his brother, we all know that we can't say the same thing. Same is true for Crest if he uses an Irish slur towards his brother. Even if they're using said slur as a term of endearment.

That's why it's odd when white guys like JORR or WFR act as if they don't understand why the same is true for the n-word.


What's your endgame? Separatism? If you were really offended by the word it wouldn't matter who said it.


I would say not being a backward brat would be a great start.

We live in a country where pretty much everyone's ancestors arrived here on a plane or boat from somewhere else in the world. You don't completely lose your heritage because you decided to participate in this great experiment we call America.

I'm baffled that I'm having this conversation with you. You don't get to tell someone else that they should ALWAYS be offended by a racial or ethnic slur regardless of who says it. Every group of people in this country have slurs that are unique to their group. MANY people in those groups occasionally use those slurs to degrade one another, as a term of endearment or even as a joke. They're still rightfully offended when someone outside their group uses the word or words. You and WFR appear to be so desirous to shout "N*GGER!" that you act as if you don't understand this.

Are you asking your Jewish friends why you can't use their slurs? What about your Russian friends? Hispanic friends? Friends in any other racial or ethnic group? Of course not! It's not hard to understand why they're not okay for you or I to say.

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Nas wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Nas wrote:
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
The whole idea that only certain people are "allowed" to use certain words should be reprehensible to all of us.

I get what you are trying to say here, but I certainly don't find this even close to the most reprehensible thing surrounding who uses the word and for what purpose.


I don't get it. We live in a multinational country where we all know that certain offensive things can't be said by others outside of that group. If Shakes uses a known Jewish slur towards his brother, we all know that we can't say the same thing. Same is true for Crest if he uses an Irish slur towards his brother. Even if they're using said slur as a term of endearment.

That's why it's odd when white guys like JORR or WFR act as if they don't understand why the same is true for the n-word.


What's your endgame? Separatism? If you were really offended by the word it wouldn't matter who said it.


I would say not being a backward brat would be a great start.

We live in a country where pretty much everyone's ancestors arrived here on a plane or boat from somewhere else in the world. You don't completely lose your heritage because you decided to participate in this great experiment we call America.

I'm baffled that I'm having this conversation with you. You don't get to tell someone else that they should ALWAYS be offended by a racial or ethnic slur regardless of who says it. Every group of people in this country have slurs that are unique to their group. MANY people in those groups occasionally use those slurs to degrade one another, as a term of endearment or even as a joke. They're still rightfully offended when someone outside their group uses the word or words. You and WFR appear to be so desirous to shout "N*GGER!" that you act as if you don't understand this.

Are you asking your Jewish friends why you can't use their slurs? What about your Russian friends? Hispanic friends? Friends in any other racial or ethnic group? Of course not! It's not hard to understand why they're not okay for you or I to say.



If you're going to be a turd, I guess you're going to. Go bully someone else, you asshole. That shit isn't gonna work on me.

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3rd - 12th grade was in Gurnee. I learned the "N Pile" game.


Yeah, I’d heard that one too as a kid. I’d forgotten about that one.

I guess it gives you a better understanding of what “systemic” means.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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The whole idea that only certain people are "allowed" to use certain words should be reprehensible to all of us.

I get what you are trying to say here, but I certainly don't find this even close to the most reprehensible thing surrounding who uses the word and for what purpose.


I don't get it. We live in a multinational country where we all know that certain offensive things can't be said by others outside of that group. If Shakes uses a known Jewish slur towards his brother, we all know that we can't say the same thing. Same is true for Crest if he uses an Irish slur towards his brother. Even if they're using said slur as a term of endearment.

That's why it's odd when white guys like JORR or WFR act as if they don't understand why the same is true for the n-word.


What's your endgame? Separatism? If you were really offended by the word it wouldn't matter who said it.


I would say not being a backward brat would be a great start.

We live in a country where pretty much everyone's ancestors arrived here on a plane or boat from somewhere else in the world. You don't completely lose your heritage because you decided to participate in this great experiment we call America.

I'm baffled that I'm having this conversation with you. You don't get to tell someone else that they should ALWAYS be offended by a racial or ethnic slur regardless of who says it. Every group of people in this country have slurs that are unique to their group. MANY people in those groups occasionally use those slurs to degrade one another, as a term of endearment or even as a joke. They're still rightfully offended when someone outside their group uses the word or words. You and WFR appear to be so desirous to shout "N*GGER!" that you act as if you don't understand this.

Are you asking your Jewish friends why you can't use their slurs? What about your Russian friends? Hispanic friends? Friends in any other racial or ethnic group? Of course not! It's not hard to understand why they're not okay for you or I to say.



If you're going to be a turd, I guess you're going to. Go bully someone else, you asshole. That shit isn't gonna work on me.


You don't get to play victim. I'm having a dialogue with one of the smartest people on this board about why certain people can't say certain words. Nothing in any of my posts was an attempt to bully.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
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3rd - 12th grade was in Gurnee. I learned the "N Pile" game.


Yeah, I’d heard that one too as a kid. I’d forgotten about that one.

I guess it gives you a better understanding of what “systemic” means.



I think that’s another one that either predates me or has slipped from my memory. Smear the queer a similar game or something different?strike thst.. probably not important enough for me to care.


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N word should be abolished. That is the way modern cancellation works. No one says it. Now one could say I am allowed to call my brother a pollack. But really why? There isn’t a reason if it hurt us that badly.

What is the positive side of a black man calling another N word? And don’t give me any making it less awful or rap bullshit.

A girl doesn’t call another girl a attractive lady unless she’s ready to back that shit up.


We (not me anymore) use it for the same reason every other group use slurs that are directed at them.

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I would say not being a backward brat would be a great start.

We live in a country where pretty much everyone's ancestors arrived here on a plane or boat from somewhere else in the world. You don't completely lose your heritage because you decided to participate in this great experiment we call America.

I'm baffled that I'm having this conversation with you. You don't get to tell someone else that they should ALWAYS be offended by a racial or ethnic slur regardless of who says it. Every group of people in this country have slurs that are unique to their group. MANY people in those groups occasionally use those slurs to degrade one another, as a term of endearment or even as a joke. They're still rightfully offended when someone outside their group uses the word or words. You and WFR appear to be so desirous to shout "N*GGER!" that you act as if you don't understand this.

Are you asking your Jewish friends why you can't use their slurs? What about your Russian friends? Hispanic friends? Friends in any other racial or ethnic group? Of course not! It's not hard to understand why they're not okay for you or I to say.


You are a completely dishonest supremacist. What is completely hilarious about his is that you decided to use Jews as a deflection. Do Jews ask for a special treatment for past oppression? Do Jews demand that we kneel to them because ancestors mistreated them? No. You are happy to say "thieving Bernie" though like that isn't some racist trope.

The way you demand people bow to you is sickening. You have a list of people who didn't support Kap. You are a complete bully. You want special rules for you. That's supremacy and injustice, which you claim to be fighting against.

It's been 60 years since Civil Rights. It's been longer since slavery. Just go looting. It's more honest that this grift.

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You don't get to play victim. I'm having a dialogue with one of the smartest people on this board about why certain people can't say certain words. Nothing in any of my posts was an attempt to bully.


I'm not playing the victim. That last post simply wasn't an attempt to have a conversation. And you know it. If you look at everything I've posted on the subject I don't think I've said the slightest controversial thing. But instead you tried to suggest that I want to run around saying a word I've never called anyone.

Are you in favor of making certain words illegal? Even just that one? I don't really think you are. I know I'm not. And that fact doesn't reflect any desire on my part to use it.

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I would say not being a backward brat would be a great start.

We live in a country where pretty much everyone's ancestors arrived here on a plane or boat from somewhere else in the world. You don't completely lose your heritage because you decided to participate in this great experiment we call America.

I'm baffled that I'm having this conversation with you. You don't get to tell someone else that they should ALWAYS be offended by a racial or ethnic slur regardless of who says it. Every group of people in this country have slurs that are unique to their group. MANY people in those groups occasionally use those slurs to degrade one another, as a term of endearment or even as a joke. They're still rightfully offended when someone outside their group uses the word or words. You and WFR appear to be so desirous to shout "N*GGER!" that you act as if you don't understand this.

Are you asking your Jewish friends why you can't use their slurs? What about your Russian friends? Hispanic friends? Friends in any other racial or ethnic group? Of course not! It's not hard to understand why they're not okay for you or I to say.


You are a completely dishonest supremacist. What is completely hilarious about his is that you decided to use Jews as a deflection. Do Jews ask for a special treatment for past oppression? Do Jews demand that we kneel to them because ancestors mistreated them? No. You are happy to say "thieving Bernie" though like that isn't some racist trope.

The way you demand people bow to you is sickening. You have a list of people who didn't support Kap. You are a complete bully. You want special rules for you. That's supremacy and injustice, which you claim to be fighting against.

It's been 60 years since Civil Rights. It's been longer since slavery. Just go looting. It's more honest that this grift.


Thanks for projecting as usual. That and your special brand of ignorance are always expected. You NEVER disappoint either.

Fact remains that you haven't asked why you can't use slurs directed at any other group of people. You're only curious about the n-word.

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You don't get to play victim. I'm having a dialogue with one of the smartest people on this board about why certain people can't say certain words. Nothing in any of my posts was an attempt to bully.


I'm not playing the victim. That last post simply wasn't an attempt to have a conversation. And you know it. If you look at everything I've posted on the subject I don't think I've said the slightest controversial thing. But instead you tried to suggest that I want to run around saying a word I've never called anyone.

Are you in favor of making certain words illegal? Even just that one? I don't really think you are. I know I'm not. And that fact doesn't reflect any desire on my part to use it.


Who has said anything about making a word illegal? You're a really smart guy and you were really wondering why it wasn't okay for everyone to say the n-word. I know a lot of slurs, but I've never wondered why I couldn't (really it's shouldn't) use the words.

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I would say not being a backward brat would be a great start.

We live in a country where pretty much everyone's ancestors arrived here on a plane or boat from somewhere else in the world. You don't completely lose your heritage because you decided to participate in this great experiment we call America.

I'm baffled that I'm having this conversation with you. You don't get to tell someone else that they should ALWAYS be offended by a racial or ethnic slur regardless of who says it. Every group of people in this country have slurs that are unique to their group. MANY people in those groups occasionally use those slurs to degrade one another, as a term of endearment or even as a joke. They're still rightfully offended when someone outside their group uses the word or words. You and WFR appear to be so desirous to shout "N*GGER!" that you act as if you don't understand this.

Are you asking your Jewish friends why you can't use their slurs? What about your Russian friends? Hispanic friends? Friends in any other racial or ethnic group? Of course not! It's not hard to understand why they're not okay for you or I to say.


You are a completely dishonest supremacist. What is completely hilarious about his is that you decided to use Jews as a deflection. Do Jews ask for a special treatment for past oppression? Do Jews demand that we kneel to them because ancestors mistreated them? No. You are happy to say "thieving Bernie" though like that isn't some racist trope.

The way you demand people bow to you is sickening. You have a list of people who didn't support Kap. You are a complete bully. You want special rules for you. That's supremacy and injustice, which you claim to be fighting against.

Wait--Nas is extremely open, not to mention forgiving. I don't know where that comes from.


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I’m only in my mid 50s and distinctly remember a chain of Denny’s like restaurants called Sambos. I would bet many on this board don’t even know why that would be offensive but I recall my mom reading me that story as a kid and I am still truly am amazed at how long this kind of stuff was marketed without any repercussions.

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I get what you are trying to say here, but I certainly don't find this even close to the most reprehensible thing surrounding who uses the word and for what purpose.


I don't get it. We live in a multinational country where we all know that certain offensive things can't be said by others outside of that group. If Shakes uses a known Jewish slur towards his brother, we all know that we can't say the same thing. Same is true for Crest if he uses an Irish slur towards his brother. Even if they're using said slur as a term of endearment.

That's why it's odd when white guys like JORR or WFR act as if they don't understand why the same is true for the n-word.


What's your endgame? Separatism? If you were really offended by the word it wouldn't matter who said it.


I would say not being a backward brat would be a great start.

We live in a country where pretty much everyone's ancestors arrived here on a plane or boat from somewhere else in the world. You don't completely lose your heritage because you decided to participate in this great experiment we call America.

I'm baffled that I'm having this conversation with you. You don't get to tell someone else that they should ALWAYS be offended by a racial or ethnic slur regardless of who says it. Every group of people in this country have slurs that are unique to their group. MANY people in those groups occasionally use those slurs to degrade one another, as a term of endearment or even as a joke. They're still rightfully offended when someone outside their group uses the word or words. You and WFR appear to be so desirous to shout "N*GGER!" that you act as if you don't understand this.

Are you asking your Jewish friends why you can't use their slurs? What about your Russian friends? Hispanic friends? Friends in any other racial or ethnic group? Of course not! It's not hard to understand why they're not okay for you or I to say.



If you're going to be a turd, I guess you're going to. Go bully someone else, you asshole. That shit isn't gonna work on me.


You don't get to play victim. I'm having a dialogue with one of the smartest people on this board about why certain people can't say certain words. Nothing in any of my posts was an attempt to bully.

This is really disappointing JORR. But sadly, not surprising lately.

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3rd - 12th grade was in Gurnee. I learned the "N Pile" game.


Yeah, I’d heard that one too as a kid. I’d forgotten about that one.

I guess it gives you a better understanding of what “systemic” means.


The one said with no hesitation by my grandparents was n-word-rigged when they fixed shit up just enough so that it worked. My dad always said jury rigged so that’s the phrase I Still use and now it’s always in the back of my mind that people will think I mean the other thing when I say it.

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3rd - 12th grade was in Gurnee. I learned the "N Pile" game.


Yeah, I’d heard that one too as a kid. I’d forgotten about that one.

I guess it gives you a better understanding of what “systemic” means.


The one said with no hesitation by my grandparents was n-word-rigged when they fixed shit up just enough so that it worked. My dad always said jury rigged so that’s the phrase I Still use and now it’s always in the back of my mind that people will think I mean the other thing when I say it.


:lol: :lol: :lol: I heard that a lot as a kid, but it was usually to complain about bad work someone had done.

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Those are a couple I forgot to add...N rigged... And N toes for Brazil nuts. My grandma said it once...i was pretty shocked.

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I’m only in my mid 50s and distinctly remember a chain of Denny’s like restaurants called Sambos. I would bet many on this board don’t even know why that would be offensive but I recall my mom reading me that story as a kid and I am still truly am amazed at how long this kind of stuff was marketed without any repercussions.

Zippy, the last standing Sambos has just covered up their sign in all of this and replaced it with "Peace and Love" until they come up with a new name. The name was originally chosen as a combination of founder Sam Battistone and Newell Bohnett and was never intended as a racial slur... in fact, they were originally fixated on keeping the name so they could explain why it wasn't. Newer management however agrees that this interpretation is not the first a passerby will have.

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Little Black Sambo is a weird case where the character was supposed to be Indian (as in the Dravidians who are damn near black) but somehow turned into an African stereotype. But besides, right now we're all supposed to be mad at India because they have a Hindu nationalist government.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
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3rd - 12th grade was in Gurnee. I learned the "N Pile" game.


Yeah, I’d heard that one too as a kid. I’d forgotten about that one.

I guess it gives you a better understanding of what “systemic” means.


The one said with no hesitation by my grandparents was n-word-rigged when they fixed shit up just enough so that it worked. My dad always said jury rigged so that’s the phrase I Still use and now it’s always in the back of my mind that people will think I mean the other thing when I say it.


I've always heard it as "jerry rigged" and thought of the Germans.

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"Jury-rigged, jerry-built" is what I remember reading on one of those troublesome-words/idioms pages.

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3rd - 12th grade was in Gurnee. I learned the "N Pile" game.


Yeah, I’d heard that one too as a kid. I’d forgotten about that one.

I guess it gives you a better understanding of what “systemic” means.


The one said with no hesitation by my grandparents was n-word-rigged when they fixed shit up just enough so that it worked. My dad always said jury rigged so that’s the phrase I Still use and now it’s always in the back of my mind that people will think I mean the other thing when I say it.


Yeah.. I always used and heard jury within the family but I’ve for sure heard the other. Now we call it farmer engineered or engineering.


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This is really disappointing JORR. But sadly, not surprising lately.


I'm not going to participate in your struggle session. Thanks for the offer though.

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Yeah pretty sure jerry-rigged comes from the war, since by 1944 the Wehrmacht was needing to find creative solutions to basically any problem.


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3rd - 12th grade was in Gurnee. I learned the "N Pile" game..."catch a "tiger" by the toe"..."Daniel Boone was a man, he was a big man, but the bear was bigger so he ran like a N-word through the woods" song...they still come to mind way more frequently than I'd like to admit.

Always made me uncomfortable.


Many things from our collective youth's make us uncomfortable. Not to make a Bernsie joke but it is evolution and it is good. I can truly get how people affected want immediate results, I can. But to not notice evolution in this matter is frustrating.

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I would say not being a backward brat would be a great start.

We live in a country where pretty much everyone's ancestors arrived here on a plane or boat from somewhere else in the world. You don't completely lose your heritage because you decided to participate in this great experiment we call America.



Maybe it would be better if people somehow magically voluntarily did. Would fix a lot of issues between groups.

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