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Are NBA players supposed to stop being "woke" because they neglected to speak out against human rights violations in China?
It shows that their "wokeness" is a sham.


No it doesn't. Have you ever objected to any of the human rights abuses which occur around the world on here? If so feel free to elaborate.
I don't claim moral superiority for calling out rights violations, though. NBA players and the more sanctimonious head coaches do.


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I don't think it's a sham. Of course American NBA players would be more aware of/passionate about injustices at home that they are more familiar with.

It does expose their hypocrisy though.


They could take a stand against China tomorrow and it wouldn't make one bit of difference.

They speak out against issues that directly relate to them or others that they know.

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Are NBA players supposed to stop being "woke" because they neglected to speak out against human rights violations in China?

Yes.

No one says "I don't live there" when they are cashing checks from China.

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 Post subject: Re: The NBA
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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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Are NBA players supposed to stop being "woke" because they neglected to speak out against human rights violations in China?
It shows that their "wokeness" is a sham.


No it doesn't. Have you ever objected to any of the human rights abuses which occur around the world on here? If so feel free to elaborate.
I don't claim moral superiority for calling out rights violations, though. NBA players and the more sanctimonious head coaches do.


I know you don't. At least they are willing to speak out against what they perceive to be injustice. You never have.

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 Post subject: Re: The NBA
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I don't think it's a sham. Of course American NBA players would be more aware of/passionate about injustices at home that they are more familiar with.

It does expose their hypocrisy though.


They could take a stand against China tomorrow and it wouldn't make one bit of difference.

They speak out against issues that directly relate to them or others that they know.


Right. So they ignore abuses of people who don't look like them because it would cost them money.

NBA Privilege at its finest.

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 Post subject: Re: The NBA
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Are NBA players supposed to stop being "woke" because they neglected to speak out against human rights violations in China?

Yes.

No one says "I don't live there" when they are cashing checks from China.


Yeah but all of the hypocrites here that currently bash them are the same ones that routinely look the other way whenever human rights abuses are reported. You included.

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 Post subject: Re: The NBA
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Terry's Peeps wrote:
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I don't think it's a sham. Of course American NBA players would be more aware of/passionate about injustices at home that they are more familiar with.

It does expose their hypocrisy though.


They could take a stand against China tomorrow and it wouldn't make one bit of difference.

They speak out against issues that directly relate to them or others that they know.


Right. So they ignore abuses of people who don't look like them because it would cost them money.

NBA Privilege at its finest.


Probably so but I have never looked to the NBA for guidance on moral issues anyway.

We as a country decided to conduct business with China long before the NBA became involved.

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 Post subject: Re: The NBA
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Terry's Peeps wrote:
I don't think it's a sham. Of course American NBA players would be more aware of/passionate about injustices at home that they are more familiar with.

It does expose their hypocrisy though.


They could take a stand against China tomorrow and it wouldn't make one bit of difference.

They speak out against issues that directly relate to them or others that they know.

The difference would be their wallet. China made that perfectly clear. That's fine. The NBA has made a narrative of "they aren't on our block" which seems to be successful as you certainly jumped on board.

I am enjoying the "business is business" aspect of wokeness.


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 Post subject: Re: The NBA
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Nardi wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
I don't think it's a sham. Of course American NBA players would be more aware of/passionate about injustices at home that they are more familiar with.

It does expose their hypocrisy though.


They could take a stand against China tomorrow and it wouldn't make one bit of difference.

They speak out against issues that directly relate to them or others that they know.

The difference would be their wallet. China made that perfectly clear. That's fine. The NBA has made a narrative of "they aren't on our block" which seems to be successful as you certainly jumped on board.

I am enjoying the "business is business" aspect of wokeness.


What if the edict was issued from the owners? Then what?

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 Post subject: Re: The NBA
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Are NBA players supposed to stop being "woke" because they neglected to speak out against human rights violations in China?

Yes.

No one says "I don't live there" when they are cashing checks from China.


Yeah but all of the hypocrites here that currently bash them are the same ones that routinely look the other way whenever human rights abuses are reported. You included.

Yeah, and if I'm not doing it to get paid I deserve the same criticism.

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 Post subject: Re: The NBA
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
long time guy wrote:
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Are NBA players supposed to stop being "woke" because they neglected to speak out against human rights violations in China?

Yes.

No one says "I don't live there" when they are cashing checks from China.


Yeah but all of the hypocrites here that currently bash them are the same ones that routinely look the other way whenever human rights abuses are reported. You included.

Yeah, and if I'm not doing it to get paid I deserve the same criticism.


They may have been instructed to pipe down about China. You see that Morey quickly did.

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long time guy wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Are NBA players supposed to stop being "woke" because they neglected to speak out against human rights violations in China?

Yes.

No one says "I don't live there" when they are cashing checks from China.


Yeah but all of the hypocrites here that currently bash them are the same ones that routinely look the other way whenever human rights abuses are reported. You included.

Yeah, and if I'm not doing it to get paid I deserve the same criticism.


They may have been instructed to pipe down about China. You see that Morey quickly did.


If they were instructed to pipe down about Black Lives Matter do you think they would?

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 Post subject: Re: The NBA
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Nardi wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
I don't think it's a sham. Of course American NBA players would be more aware of/passionate about injustices at home that they are more familiar with.

It does expose their hypocrisy though.


They could take a stand against China tomorrow and it wouldn't make one bit of difference.

They speak out against issues that directly relate to them or others that they know.

The difference would be their wallet. China made that perfectly clear. That's fine. The NBA has made a narrative of "they aren't on our block" which seems to be successful as you certainly jumped on board.

I am enjoying the "business is business" aspect of wokeness.


What if the edict was issued from the owners? Then what?

Then it's the easiest edict ever. $$$$$$


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 Post subject: Re: The NBA
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Terry's Peeps wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Are NBA players supposed to stop being "woke" because they neglected to speak out against human rights violations in China?

Yes.

No one says "I don't live there" when they are cashing checks from China.


Yeah but all of the hypocrites here that currently bash them are the same ones that routinely look the other way whenever human rights abuses are reported. You included.

Yeah, and if I'm not doing it to get paid I deserve the same criticism.


They may have been instructed to pipe down about China. You see that Morey quickly did.


If they were instructed to pipe down about Black Lives Matter do you think they would?


They might.

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 Post subject: Re: The NBA
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Nardi wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Nardi wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
I don't think it's a sham. Of course American NBA players would be more aware of/passionate about injustices at home that they are more familiar with.

It does expose their hypocrisy though.


They could take a stand against China tomorrow and it wouldn't make one bit of difference.

They speak out against issues that directly relate to them or others that they know.

The difference would be their wallet. China made that perfectly clear. That's fine. The NBA has made a narrative of "they aren't on our block" which seems to be successful as you certainly jumped on board.

I am enjoying the "business is business" aspect of wokeness.


What if the edict was issued from the owners? Then what?

Then it's the easiest edict ever. $$$$$$


If the owners and shoe companies wanted to they could divest from China tomorrow. They could take it out of the players hands altogether.

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 Post subject: Re: The NBA
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Are NBA players supposed to stop being "woke" because they neglected to speak out against human rights violations in China?

Yes.

No one says "I don't live there" when they are cashing checks from China.


Yeah but all of the hypocrites here that currently bash them are the same ones that routinely look the other way whenever human rights abuses are reported. You included.

Yeah, and if I'm not doing it to get paid I deserve the same criticism.


They may have been instructed to pipe down about China. You see that Morey quickly did.

So what? That makes it worse.

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 Post subject: Re: The NBA
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Yes.

No one says "I don't live there" when they are cashing checks from China.


Yeah but all of the hypocrites here that currently bash them are the same ones that routinely look the other way whenever human rights abuses are reported. You included.

Yeah, and if I'm not doing it to get paid I deserve the same criticism.


They may have been instructed to pipe down about China. You see that Morey quickly did.

So what? That makes it worse.

No it doesn't. NBA is a business. It isn't a Civil Rights organization.

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Wait so are we saying NBA players should shut up and dribble?

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 Post subject: Re: The NBA
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
long time guy wrote:
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long time guy wrote:
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Yes.

No one says "I don't live there" when they are cashing checks from China.


Yeah but all of the hypocrites here that currently bash them are the same ones that routinely look the other way whenever human rights abuses are reported. You included.

Yeah, and if I'm not doing it to get paid I deserve the same criticism.


They may have been instructed to pipe down about China. You see that Morey quickly did.

So what? That makes it worse.

No it doesn't. NBA is a business. It isn't a Civil Rights organization.

That's what's so enjoyable. Last week, I watched union busting Amazon declare black lives matter.


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Wait so are we saying NBA players should shut up and dribble?


No. They should be allowed to speak if they choose to speak. They aren't obligated to do it.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
long time guy wrote:
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Are NBA players supposed to stop being "woke" because they neglected to speak out against human rights violations in China?

Yes.

No one says "I don't live there" when they are cashing checks from China.


Yeah but all of the hypocrites here that currently bash them are the same ones that routinely look the other way whenever human rights abuses are reported. You included.

Yeah, and if I'm not doing it to get paid I deserve the same criticism.

yep, it's relevant because NBA players make money from Chinese broadcast deals, Chinese merch deals, and then use Chinese political prisoners to produce the wears they sell.

NBA is complicit in Uigher concentration camps

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Wait so are we saying NBA players should shut up and dribble?


No. They should be allowed to speak if they choose to speak. They aren't obligated to do it.


I agree.

They do expose their hypocrisy bare though.

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
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Wait so are we saying NBA players should shut up and dribble?


No. They should be allowed to speak if they choose to speak. They aren't obligated to do it.


I agree.

They do expose their hypocrisy bare though.


Maybe maybe not. People are asking them to do things they themselves would never do. That in of itself is rather hypocritical if you ask me.

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Are NBA players supposed to stop being "woke" because they neglected to speak out against human rights violations in China?
It shows that their "wokeness" is a sham.


No it doesn't. Have you ever objected to any of the human rights abuses which occur around the world on here? If so feel free to elaborate.
I don't claim moral superiority for calling out rights violations, though. NBA players and the more sanctimonious head coaches do.


I know you don't. At least they are willing to speak out against what they perceive to be injustice.
Except when those injustices are committed by people pouring money into their pockets. Then they feign ignorance or claim it's not their job to right the wrongs of the world.


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long time guy wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Are NBA players supposed to stop being "woke" because they neglected to speak out against human rights violations in China?

Yes.

No one says "I don't live there" when they are cashing checks from China.


Yeah but all of the hypocrites here that currently bash them are the same ones that routinely look the other way whenever human rights abuses are reported. You included.

Yeah, and if I'm not doing it to get paid I deserve the same criticism.

yep, it's relevant because NBA players make money from Chinese broadcast deals, Chinese merch deals, and then use Chinese political prisoners to produce the wears they sell.

NBA is complicit in Uigher concentration camps


There is no bigger hypocrite on this than this idiot and yet the vast majority (if not all of them) of the people here repeatedly give him a pass on it.

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Wait so are we saying NBA players should shut up and dribble?


No. They should be allowed to speak if they choose to speak. They aren't obligated to do it.


I agree.

They do expose their hypocrisy bare though.


Maybe maybe not. People are asking them to do things they themselves would never do. That in of itself is rather hypocritical if you ask me.

Tough shit. The corporate world is what it is. King James, Inc included.


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Except when those injustices are committed by people pouring money into their pockets. Then they feign ignorance or claim it's not their job to right the wrongs of the world.


Kaepernick did exactly what you are proposing that the NBA do now and you still bashed him for it. WYC?

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Except when those injustices are committed by people pouring money into their pockets. Then they feign ignorance or claim it's not their job to right the wrongs of the world.


Kaepernick did exactly what you are proposing that the NBA do now and you still bashed him for it. WYC?
Pretty sure I always defended Karpernick's right to protest.


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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Except when those injustices are committed by people pouring money into their pockets. Then they feign ignorance or claim it's not their job to right the wrongs of the world.


Kaepernick did exactly what you are proposing that the NBA do now and you still bashed him for it. WYC?
Pretty sure I always defended Karpernick's right to protest.


If that were actually true then you'd be here in defense of their right to not protest.

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Except when those injustices are committed by people pouring money into their pockets. Then they feign ignorance or claim it's not their job to right the wrongs of the world.


Kaepernick did exactly what you are proposing that the NBA do now and you still bashed him for it. WYC?
Pretty sure I always defended Karpernick's right to protest.


If that were actually true then you'd be here in defense of their right to not protest.
They don't have a right to not be labeled as frauds when they only stay woke when it is personally advantageous to them.


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