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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 5:40 pm 
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I'm watching some who wore it best # thing and they said Eric Lindros was better than Patrick Kane. I don't know if I believe that. He was pretty cute though.


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I'm watching some who wore it best # thing and they said Eric Lindros was better than Patrick Kane. I don't know if I believe that. He was pretty cute though.


No.

He probably would have been if he didn't have his career end at a young age. I think it was concussions for Lindros. And other things. He was hurt a lot. Here are his stats. First 7 years pretty damn good. He missed a lot of games in the last 4 or 5 years of his career.

https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/l/lindrer01.html

What do I know, though? Curious Hair is probably better to answer this. I don't even know if he was a good two way player. Which Kane isn't.

I do remember the huge hype Lindros had when he came into the NHL. Kane didn't have that amount of hype.


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Kane but it is relatively close. If Lindros had played a full career and hadn’t missed big chunks of his prime he’d probably get the nod.

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Lindros was fucking good. Really fucking good.

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Yeah, Kane was hyped as a really good #1OA. Lindros was hyped as the next Gretzky and Lemieux combined.

Kane is easily ahead of Lindros. Lindros put up 100-point seasons at a time when ten or so guys would put up 100 on Flyers teams that ran into better teams and didn't even have the excuse of running into the Detroit/Colorado/Dallas monster, just those bullshit Devils teams that bored everyone to death. Then he ran in place on those worst-team-money-can-buy Rangers teams that didn't even make the playoffs. He was instrumental in two Stanley Cups -- for the Avalanche, because his bitchy ass wouldn't play in Quebec City and the Flyers had to give up so much as to not be worth it.

Kane has three rings and one Conn Smythe, Lindros has zero and zero, Kane never bitched his way out of an OHL assignment (Sault Ste. Marie) AND an NHL assignment (Quebec). Kane is far superior. Case closed.

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I didn’t realize how good Lindros was simply numbers wise....my first instinct was definitely Kane, but it’s not as wide of a margin as I originally thought.

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Kaner all day long.

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Lindros was made of glass. Kane is tougher.


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Yeah, Kane was hyped as a really good #1OA. Lindros was hyped as the next Gretzky and Lemieux combined.

Kane is easily ahead of Lindros. Lindros put up 100-point seasons at a time when ten or so guys would put up 100 on Flyers teams that ran into better teams and didn't even have the excuse of running into the Detroit/Colorado/Dallas monster, just those bullshit Devils teams that bored everyone to death. Then he ran in place on those worst-team-money-can-buy Rangers teams that didn't even make the playoffs. He was instrumental in two Stanley Cups -- for the Avalanche, because his bitchy ass wouldn't play in Quebec City and the Flyers had to give up so much as to not be worth it.

Kane has three rings and one Conn Smythe, Lindros has zero and zero, Kane never bitched his way out of an OHL assignment (Sault Ste. Marie) AND an NHL assignment (Quebec). Kane is far superior. Case closed.

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Lindros was made of glass. Kane is tougher.

Kane isn't tough, he's just damn near impossible to lay a good hit on. Like two people have, and one took him out for two months.

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Yeah the whole durability issue makes this a moot argument and even straight up, Kane is a better offensive player than Lindros anyway.

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No one cares. Ask NBC and ESPN.

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Regular Reader wrote:
No one cares. Ask NBC and ESPN.


It’s a shame. The games flow very well, and they always done in under three hours. I never played hockey, but my family went to a lot games Hawks games as a kid. Being in old Chicago stadium was awesome for hockey.

I have come to love the game, and it is closing in on my favorite sport to watch given all the flow issues with baseball. Football is fun to watch, but there is so little action given how much the clock runs with nothing going on.

I wish I understood hockey better.

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The downside to the great pace of play is that there's very little ad inventory for the networks to sell. There are only 18 30-second spots during play. How many minutes of advertising are there in an NBA game, minus halftime? Gotta be more than nine. There are more during intermissions, but there aren't nearly as many eyeballs there. I haven't sat in front of the TV at intermission in over ten years.

Hockey really isn't difficult to understand, some people just gatekeep to make it that way. There are limitations to marketing stars, namely the use-the-whole-buffalo approach to roster construction and the team-oriented nature of the game itself, but that could have been partially overcome. They certainly tried with Eric Lindros and Paul Kariya, but neither of them could stay on the ice.

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I remember when Lindros first was coming into the league, the Hawks were one of those teams looking to trade for him. I forgot what the supposed Hawks package was but I think it included either Belfour/Hasek and maybe Roenick. I believe this was the year after the Hawks Stanley Cup run. Keenan was the GM at that point, I am sure he was hot to trot for Lindros but I don't think Pulford/Wirtz were as gung ho.


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I'll do some research:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct- ... clnk&gl=us

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Which players the Hawks would have to give to get Lindros is pure speculation. They have grouped different offers, trying not to disrupt their structure too much. Considered to be among those offered are goalie Ed Belfour, defenseman Steve Smith, right wing Steve Larmer, center Brent Sutter, plus young prospects Dean McAmmond and Karl Dykhuis, the Hawks` No. 1 draft picks the last two years. And the draft picks the Hawks surrender probably all would be first-rounders.

The other factor in giving three to four first-round picks for Lindros is that it would end the Hawks` bid to reacquire defenseman Dave Manson from Edmonton. Manson is a free agent whom the Hawks will try to sign for as much as $800,000, but they would have to give up two first-round picks if the Oilers don`t match that salary offer.

The only Hawks that Keenan has told Quebec General Manager Pierre Page he can`t have are center Jeremy Roenick and defenseman Chris Chelios.

As far as how much money Hawks owner Bill Wirtz will have to pay Quebec in addition to players and picks, the estimates start at $15 million.

''The money depends on how many players you give them,'' Pulford said.


Wirtz was not paying $15MM just for the right to sign Lindros, who Pulford also said didn't deserve to make more than Roenick (fair).

I think the Hawks would have come out better than the Flyers did in only losing Belfour, Larmer, Steve Smith, Brent Sutter, McCammond, and four first-rounders. The Hawks didn't really hit big on the next four first-round picks, which the Nordiques, generally a fairly savvy organization even with the mandate to draft heavily from Quebec, probably would have made better use of. However, there's no Peter Forsberg in that package, and I don't think anyone they could have drafted mid-first from '92-'95 would have been close to Peter Forsberg. Maybe in '94 they draft Patrik Elias where the Hawks took Ethan Moreau? Doubtful.

The biggest problem I see is that in Sutter, Smith, and Larmer, you have a great deal of star power. With next to no revenue sharing and a lousy local TV deal (largely sabotaged by the Canadiens, who pretty much ran NHL TV in Canada through a separate subsidiary of Molson), would the Nordiques have had the money to pay them? Would it have taken more cash in the trade to do so? Would they have reported to Quebec City?

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