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I have never thought of it that way, although the two groups largely vote along those lines. As a big city resident I look at both as public sector union members and therefore tied to democrats.


Have you ever heard of Republicans bashing the Fraternal Order of Police about anything? I know I surely haven't.

Cops have historically been Right Wing shills. Chicago needs it's own political category too. Chicago though Democratic, is hardly this bastion of liberalism. Definitely not Left Wing.

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good dolphin wrote:
I have never thought of it that way, although the two groups largely vote along those lines. As a big city resident I look at both as public sector union members and therefore tied to democrats.


Have you ever heard of Republicans bashing the Fraternal Order of Police about anything? I know I surely haven't.

Cops have historically been Right Wing shills. Chicago needs it's own political category too. Chicago though Democratic, is hardly this bastion of liberalism. Definitely not Left Wing.


democrats court the cops in every big city

The thing you can always count on with cops is that they will hate the mayor and hate the police chief at all times, no matter who is holding the positions

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I have never thought of it that way, although the two groups largely vote along those lines. As a big city resident I look at both as public sector union members and therefore tied to democrats.


Have you ever heard of Republicans bashing the Fraternal Order of Police about anything? I know I surely haven't.

Cops have historically been Right Wing shills. Chicago needs it's own political category too. Chicago though Democratic, is hardly this bastion of liberalism. Definitely not Left Wing.


democrats court the cops in every big city

The thing you can always count on with cops is that they will hate the mayor and hate the police chief at all times, no matter who is holding the positions


Yeah I've gotten similar vibes from my guys about police chiefs. Never an endorsement of any of them

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I have never thought of it that way, although the two groups largely vote along those lines. As a big city resident I look at both as public sector union members and therefore tied to democrats.


Have you ever heard of Republicans bashing the Fraternal Order of Police about anything? I know I surely haven't.

Cops have historically been Right Wing shills. Chicago needs it's own political category too. Chicago though Democratic, is hardly this bastion of liberalism. Definitely not Left Wing.


democrats court the cops in every big city

The thing you can always count on with cops is that they will hate the mayor and hate the police chief at all times, no matter who is holding the positions


Yeah I've gotten similar vibes from my guys about police chiefs. Never an endorsement of any of them


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It's disingenuous to deny the anti teacher anti education position of much of the Right.


I have advocated for education on this board for over a decade. It is the most basic and necessary thing we can do to keep our competitive edge. I believe that many public school systems are broke beyond repair, and that we must admit that the system is failing. The outcomes of our primary education are way behind much of the developed world.

The MA model with high standards is a way forward if we want to continue with public education. I believe that states ranks in the top 5 on global tests scores. It is about setting high standards. The Finland model took that country from the mid-20’s equal to countries like Norway and Sweden and boosted it in the top league with South Korea. I would also look at the charter school model in NYC which is working very well in educating low income students. Their lottery system ensures that they don’t peel off the best students. The waiting lists are massive.

I will take any of those choices or some new model, and I am wiling to throw more money at it.

Only a short sighted idiot would truly be anti-teacher. Those folks are simply sick of high property taxes with terrible outcomes and broke pension systems.

The smartest kids in the world is the book that talks about the Finland model. And to blunt potential criticism that it is an all white country, the school that was studied was mostly immigrants from North Africa and the Middle East.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Smart ... orld_(book)

MA model.

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GoldenJet wrote:
It's disingenuous to deny the anti teacher anti education position of much of the Right.


I have advocated for education on this board for over a decade. It is the most basic and necessary thing we can do to keep our competitive edge. I believe that many public school systems are broke beyond repair, and that we must admit that the system is failing. The outcomes of our primary education are way behind much of the developed world.

The MA model with high standards is a way forward if we want to continue with public education. I believe that states ranks in the top 5 on global tests scores. It is about setting high standards. The Finland model took that country from the mid-20’s equal to countries like Norway and Sweden and boosted it in the top league with South Korea. I would also look at the charter school model in NYC which is working very well in educating low income students. Their lottery system ensures that they don’t peel off the best students. The waiting lists are massive.

I will take any of those choices or some new model, and I am wiling to throw more money at it.

Only a short sighted idiot would truly be anti-teacher. Those folks are simply sick of high property taxes with terrible outcomes and broke pension systems.

The smartest kids in the world is the book that talks about the Finland model. And to blunt potential criticism that it is an all white country, the school that was studied was mostly immigrants from North Africa and the Middle East.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Smart ... orld_(book)

MA model.

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/a ... ht/483935/


In order to truly assess what the better countries are doing you'd really have to do a much deeper dive. For instance the best ones usually only teach the best students. Now I will be the first to say that I am not the most versed when it comes to international systems but I am sort of versed when it comes to the American system.

The Greatest indicator of performance in education would be the income level of parents. They never talk about that because to so would require that there be a restructuring of our society's economy. No one in power wants to actually do and thus all of the focus is centered on the performance of teachers in the classroom.

Don't get me wrong. Instruction is an important component. Yoi don't want someone qualified to teach music teaching you about the 7 years war for instance. If you however wish to know what one of the leading indicators of academic performance happens to be it is best to simply check for the academic levels of the parents. More often than not your answer will come about from that.

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In order to truly assess what the better countries are doing you'd really have to do a much deeper dive. For instance the best ones usually only teach the best students. Now I will be the first to say that I am not the most versed when it comes to international systems but I am sort of versed when it comes to the American system.

The Greatest indicator of performance in education would be the income level of parents. They never talk about that because to so would require that there be a restructuring of our society's economy. No one in power wants to actually do and thus all of the focus is centered on the performance of teachers in the classroom.

Don't get me wrong. Instruction is an important component. Yoi don't want someone qualified to teach music teaching you about the 7 years war for instance. If you however wish to know what one of the leading indicators of academic performance happens to be it is best to simply check for the academic levels of the parents. More often than not your answer will come about from that.

It's kind of a tie with education level of the parents, but obviously those are intertwined.


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long time guy wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
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good dolphin wrote:
I have never thought of it that way, although the two groups largely vote along those lines. As a big city resident I look at both as public sector union members and therefore tied to democrats.


Have you ever heard of Republicans bashing the Fraternal Order of Police about anything? I know I surely haven't.

Cops have historically been Right Wing shills. Chicago needs it's own political category too. Chicago though Democratic, is hardly this bastion of liberalism. Definitely not Left Wing.


democrats court the cops in every big city

The thing you can always count on with cops is that they will hate the mayor and hate the police chief at all times, no matter who is holding the positions


Yeah I've gotten similar vibes from my guys about police chiefs. Never an endorsement of any of them


Black female cops love Lightfoot.


Maybe its just the numbers out on the street these days but I've noticed that there seem to be a lot more attractive women police these days.

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I regret calling the cops on the dudes who carjacked me :lol: :lol: I’m not being judgemental but I don’t let my kids play at the park anymore because of the homeless and drug dealing going on

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progressive Minneapolis neighborhood that pledged not to call the police in the wake of the death of George Floyd is now dealing with a 300-strong homeless encampment in a local park, according to reports.

Traffic has reportedly increased in the neighborhood around Powderhorn Park, as drug dealers seek to meet their clientele displaced during the civil unrest, rioting and looting following Floyd’s death at the end of May. At least one person overdosed inside the park and was brought out by an ambulance. Prostitution has also been reported in the area.


Residents though have agreed to “check their privilege” and “protect people of color” by not involving law enforcement to report instances of property damage, according to the New York Times.


If anyone is put in physical danger, they instead vowed to seek help from the American Indian Movement, which was founded in Minneapolis in 1968 to address systemic issues of poverty and police brutality against Native Americans and has been policing their own communities for years.


Keeping the promise not to call the police has proven more difficult than imagined, as some residents have avoided the park altogether after being catcalled and are fearing for their children’s safety. Others said they had trouble sleeping at night, fearing campers would force their way into their homes.

“I’m not being judgmental,” Carrie Nightshade, 44, told the Times, explaining she no longer allows her children, 12 and 9, to play in the park by themselves. “It’s not personal. It’s just not safe.

Another resident, Mitchell Erickson, said he regretted calling 911 when two black teenagers cornered him a block away from his home, held a gun to his chest and demanded his car keys. Erickson said he mistakenly handed over his house keys, and the frustrated teens left him only to steal another car a few blocks away.


“Been thinking more about it,” Erickson said in a text message to a reporter. “I regret calling the police. It was my instinct but I wish it hadn’t been. I put those boys in danger of death by calling the cops.”

“Yeah I know and yeah it was scary but the cops didn’t really have much to add after I called them,” he continued. “I haven’t been forced to think like this before. So I would have lost my car. So what? At least no one would have been killed.”


Another neighbor, Joseph Menkevich, who lives in an apartment complex two blocks from the park, said he first called a community activist, who did not pick up the phone, before dialing 911 after finding a black man with a hospital bracelet passed out in the elevator of his building.

“It didn’t resolve in a way that I had hoped,” Menkevich said. “All they did was offer to bring him back to the hospital. He refused, so they kicked him out on a rainy night.”

Black Lives Matter has advocated defunding the police since Floyd’s death.


A march is scheduled in Powderhorn Park on Friday to demand the officers involved in the fatal shooting of Breonna Taylor in Louisville, Ky., be arrested, according to a Facebook event. More than 1,300 responded to say they planned to attend.


Residents in the neighborhood historically known for its far-left politics and activism intervened last week when park police gave campers 72 hours to dismantle their tents and leave. The Minneapolis Park and Recreation Board has since passed a resolution not to evict people from any city park and has called for increased funding for longer-term housing for campers, according to the Star Tribune.


“We are not going to kick the can down the road, push people out of public spaces when they have nowhere else to go,” Park Board President Jono Cowgill told the Tribune. “This is not a sustainable, dignified solution for folks who are experiencing homelessness right now, and the state needs to step up.”


The board has put in place more than a dozen portable restrooms, a shower trailer, trash bins and running water and electricity in Powderhorn Park. Volunteers alternate in shifts to distribute food and supplies, offer medical care and counseling and patrol the park at night to ensure safety. Residents have also requested a block party permit to limit some traffic to the park, according to the Times

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The president specifically called out Chicago, Baltimore, Detroit and Oakland as problematic. Trump blamed the mayors of those cities – all of them Democrats – along with former President Barack Obama and the party’s presumptive presidential nominee Joe Biden – for the high rates of homicide and other violent crimes.

“Chicago is an example, it is worse than Afghanistan,” Trump told Hannity. “These cities, it’s like living in hell.


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Another resident, Mitchell Erickson, said he regretted calling 911 when two black teenagers cornered him a block away from his home, held a gun to his chest and demanded his car keys. Erickson said he mistakenly handed over his house keys, and the frustrated teens left him only to steal another car a few blocks away.


“Been thinking more about it,” Erickson said in a text message to a reporter. “I regret calling the police. It was my instinct but I wish it hadn’t been. I put those boys in danger of death by calling the cops.”

“Yeah I know and yeah it was scary but the cops didn’t really have much to add after I called them,” he continued. “I haven’t been forced to think like this before. So I would have lost my car. So what? At least no one would have been killed.”
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The world needs more people like that very thoughtful man.


The problem is if there more of us like him we might accelerate our own extinction.

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The world needs more people like that very thoughtful man.

It should be a tax deduction to have your car stolen.

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It should be a tax deduction to have your car stolen.

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Another resident, Mitchell Erickson, said he regretted calling 911 when two black teenagers cornered him a block away from his home, held a gun to his chest and demanded his car keys. Erickson said he mistakenly handed over his house keys, and the frustrated teens left him only to steal another car a few blocks away.


“Been thinking more about it,” Erickson said in a text message to a reporter. “I regret calling the police. It was my instinct but I wish it hadn’t been. I put those boys in danger of death by calling the cops.”

“Yeah I know and yeah it was scary but the cops didn’t really have much to add after I called them,” he continued. “I haven’t been forced to think like this before. So I would have lost my car. So what? At least no one would have been killed.”


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Nas wrote:
The world needs more people like that very thoughtful man.


The problem is if there more of us like him we might accelerate our own extinction.


You'll live, but you just wouldn't own anything. Think about the freedom you would have not worrying about possessions?

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Nas wrote:
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It should be a tax deduction to have your car stolen.


Then you would have to worry about the carjack loophole since it would be an unreported carjacking.

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GoldenJet wrote:
It's disingenuous to deny the anti teacher anti education position of much of the Right.


I have advocated for education on this board for over a decade. It is the most basic and necessary thing we can do to keep our competitive edge. I believe that many public school systems are broke beyond repair, and that we must admit that the system is failing. The outcomes of our primary education are way behind much of the developed world.

The MA model with high standards is a way forward if we want to continue with public education. I believe that states ranks in the top 5 on global tests scores. It is about setting high standards. The Finland model took that country from the mid-20’s equal to countries like Norway and Sweden and boosted it in the top league with South Korea. I would also look at the charter school model in NYC which is working very well in educating low income students. Their lottery system ensures that they don’t peel off the best students. The waiting lists are massive.

I will take any of those choices or some new model, and I am wiling to throw more money at it.

Only a short sighted idiot would truly be anti-teacher. Those folks are simply sick of high property taxes with terrible outcomes and broke pension systems.

The smartest kids in the world is the book that talks about the Finland model. And to blunt potential criticism that it is an all white country, the school that was studied was mostly immigrants from North Africa and the Middle East.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Smart ... orld_(book)

MA model.

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/a ... ht/483935/


What do you think of the Germany system?

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It's a gas

I like when conservatives get horny for German academic tracking, a perfect example of The Government telling you exactly what you're capable of becoming in life.

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Yeah, that one made my heart sink. Died because the cops were somehow able to inject him with ketamine and they gave him too much. Absolutely disgusting.

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Yeah, that one made my heart sink. Died because the cops were somehow able to inject him with ketamine and they gave him too much. Absolutely disgusting.


I thought the paramedics gave him the ketamine?

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Yeah, that one made my heart sink. Died because the cops were somehow able to inject him with ketamine and they gave him too much. Absolutely disgusting.


I thought the paramedics gave him the ketamine?

They did, to sedate him...after he had already passed out.

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