I have been.

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take out the cost and I guarantee you the that dynamic flips

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

Like it was when i was a kid.

The funding of private schools as presently constituted is not sustainable.

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we thank you and remember you when saying our pledge of allegiance

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
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If they publicly funded the entire tuition of every child in private schools that would still be the case.
For every St. Ignatius and U of C there are 10 Gordon Techs and Leos
A number of parents run to Private Schools because they want to appear to be "privileged". Once their child is denied entry to a selective enrollment school they seek out private schools. The quality of education isn't particularly great in them but when you have the ability to remove the students that you do not want you in essence create your own environment. That's the one major difference.
In terms of instruction most aren't even certified to teach. They recruit out of work people from the private sector to teach those classes.
I have never worked with an instructor anywhere that was just chomping at the bit to work at a private school.

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Yep!

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

A quality principal will use one of their Principal Discretion spots to get that kid in.

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

There really is no way to pay for it much longer. When I started school in mid 80s pretty much every grade had a nun as one of the 3 teachers. When my parents went to school in the 60s and 70s it was basically 2 out of every 3 were nuns. By the time I was out of grammar school in the mid 90s the school I was at had one. I have never worked at a school with a full-time faculty member who was a nun and maybe saw one or two that were principals. In high school there were only 3 Priest and one nun on staff.

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Just a heads up before I address the point, and Joe will love this, Gordon is going to be the new it school within 5 years. It was the talk of everyone with an 8th grader and had great numbers taking the entrance exam. The only thing holding it back was that people didn't want to be a test class with the new campus.

I don't think people run to Catholic school to look priveleged. I think many, if not most, appreciate a religious education, even those who are religious non-Catholic. Those that are Catholic also understand that formal formation ends at 8th grade if the child does not go to Catholic high school.

I also think people look at Catholic schools as disciplined education, maybe for the reasons you cited, but also because the schools are college preps. High school is not the end game so that there is a deterrent even greater than expulsion.

This discussion is not currently theoretical for me.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
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Yeah he wasn't at Whitney Young. They don't even have to live in the city to get in there for sports.

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No they do but they often times lie about it.

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The currently most prominent selective enrollments suck at sports. There are a few modestly talented kids rolling through the neighborhood having played varsity as freshman because the team looks like the couch at the Omega Theta Pi party.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

Ignatius was able to secure 18 nuns a couple of years ago, but that is by far the exception.

The increasing costs are not feasible.

The funding mandates for instance in the Joliet Diocese are insane. They are not allowed to use more than 28% of their Sunday collection money to fund the schools.

When I was in grade school, all of the funding came from Sunday collections.

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My future son in law has a player considering Gordon from Long Grove!!

Currently playing baseball, but is also doing AAU with the Illinois Wolves. Stevenson has a no freshman play varsity hoops policy.

He's gone if they don't change it.

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I know plenty of people that have however. Even some in my own family. They were too ashamed to ever send their kids to their neighborhood school so they chucked down money that didn't really have to place them in Catholic Schools. An old high school friend of mine is currently doing it with both of his children. They wanted both to attend selective enrollments and neither qualified so they placed them in Catholic Schools. Two parent upper middle class household and thus they are able to swing it.

When it's all said and done the top performing schools in the state year in and year out are selectively enrolled CPS schools. U of C and St. Ignatius can compete while the others simply cannot.

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isn't that how our best on the planet university system works? i.e., government financing of higher education in the form of grants and subsidized loans attach to a student and follow that student wherever they enroll, private or public, religious or secular or Trumpian

Public money for private schools is fine as long as they also have to play by public school rules. They don't and never have. That is my primary problem with them. You often here about all of the great things that go on in them and yet they play by a completely different set of rules. Just like Charter Schools do.

For the most part Charter Schools have been a nightmare but you will never hear about it because the Republican controlled media have been strong supporters of them.

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Student loans for first graders.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

As long as they're unforgivable!

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F@ckin Brick

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Chicago Arch told their churches a few years back to cut off the schools completely and let them live or die on their own. Not all have followed that directive.

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I seem to recall carnivals and other sorts of fundraising for our parochial school.

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It won't pay living wage salaries with benefits.

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Have to have significant tuition and/or parish or church support along with fund raising.

We paid tuition or my parents did. Not like the numbers I see now. I couldn’t see paying that without a tax offset now myself.

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I was on our school council and the pastor would try to lord it over us that the church collections are subsidizing the school. I told him in open meeting that he had it all wrong. His church collections were due in large part to having a school community attached to the church. He refused to let us fundraise for the school. Instead, the big parish fundraiser all went to the church. The attendees all just happened to be parishoners with children at the school, most of whom were under the impression it was a school fundraiser. The sheep sat there and praised the pastor for his generous contribution.

The average parish though can't sustain a school that is going to cost $5K per kid. There are so many other pressing existential issues as well, but I don't see where the future of catholicism in america is going without parish grade schools. Catholic education should be a right for those baptized in the faith.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

So what happens when say a guy like Louis Farrakhan steps up and says that "Muslim Education is a right for those indoctrinated in its faith"?

Do you believe that the majority of this country will be comfortable with that?

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If a child's parents do not learn about, and practice their own faith, then parish schools are irrelevant. Which btw, they have largely been for the last 50 years in Chicago.

If faith isn't learned at home, then a school is not set up to take on the primary responsibility of the parents.

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