Well as a true believer in freedom of religion, yes, I am fully comfortable with that. As for state funding, folks that send their kids to private school are still paying for the public schools through their property taxes but are not utilizing that system. So while I got that $500 credit per child on my tax returns, I am paying about $6,000 per year to District 300, the majority of my local property tax bill. The district is saving about $12,000 or so per kid due to my choice. I would say that is a good deal for all.

The NYC charter schools have been a successful model. But nationally the data is quite mixed. I believe, like all schools, charters need to mirror the best in class to get better at what they do. Public schools need to look to the MA reforms to address their issues.

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However its your choice to send your child to a private school. It's not a right and to take it a step there are great number of people in this city and elsewhere that do not have kids yet still fund the public education system anyway.

Charter schools often times perform much worse than their surrounding schools, have high turnover rate among their staff, and lack qualified teachers to teach their students.

They were touted and promoted mostly as a means of busting up the Teacher's union. The quality of instruction isn't all that great and if you notice your more affluent communities usually don't want anything to do with them.

The NYC model works but as I recall it was mostly due to its diligent selection process

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Which I'm guessing is why the state passed a bill that allowed tax dollars to go directly to private schools.

It fundamentally unjust to keep sending kids into a broken school system that has shown zero ability to fix itself. Because it's not possible.

And you can direct the money to the school of your choice if they participate in the program.

https://empowerillinois.org

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We could fix public schools rather than give a select few a better school.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

How?

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It's a $100M program, so it's far more than a select few.

I believe the dollars in FL are north of $500M.

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School choice doesn't necessarily improve the "broken school system" that you continuously reference.

In order to reform schools you have to first reform society. The same inequities that you find in society are found in the public school system. The system that you are advocating for only exacerbates this particular problem.

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I'll leave those answers to those who think private schools are better.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Sending more money to a system that can't fix it itself, is criminal.

And society can be reformed by re-building it's most fundamental building block.

The family.

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What is the end game? Cancel all public schools?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Brick, what do you think is the biggest difference between a private school, and a CPS school?

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Sorry, I should have been more clear. I didn't mean a public right. I meant a right within the institution.

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1. Fix the neighborhoods in which neighborhood schools are housed. Simple investments in those communities will suffice. The same sort of investment that we use to prop up failing businesses can also be used to prop up impoverished neighborhoods.

2. Completely eradicate the two and three tiered education system that we have been promoting for years in this country. This would necessitate the elimination of "selective enrollment schools" and a return to the public/private model. The quality of neighborhood school education would improve overnight if this were to happen.
If parents want their child to attend private schools then they should have to pay for it.

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I figured out how to shut Rick up!

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Do you feel similarly about the stock market? It cannot "fix itself" and neither can the Farming industry.

Neighborhood schools are simply a microcosm of the neighborhoods in which they are housed. You show me an impoverished neighborhood and there is a likelihood that they will house a broken school. If you wish to fix the problem with neighborhood schools then you first must fix the problems found in the surrounding neighborhoods. Nothing can occur without this happening first.

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The MA model is the public school solution. I posted the article about it in another thread. Essentially it has rigorous teacher evaluations and high standards for students. It started in 1993, and MA students score tops in our country and among the top five globally.

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Whatever the America farming industry runs on--subsidies, unpaid labor of large families (far less so nowadays), inter-generational knowledge transfer + hard work--it works. USA has the lowest cost of food on the planet by a substantial margin. American farmers are some productive mofos. Don't mind the government making sure the current system continues via logrolled welfare payments to the various farming sectors. Tobacco subsidies for North Carolina, pistachio payments for California, sugar beet supports in Michigan, deficiency payments throughout the grain belt. Not sure how to apply that to education tho. Return to one-room schoolhouses?

I'd be shocked if this particular model doesn't contain some level of "selectivity" in it.

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Agree.

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LTG is dropping gems. Crest is right that rebuilding family will help, but it doesn't solve every problem. You will still need to prop some communities up until they can sustain themselves.

We always point to a successful school or model in a particular state and believe that it should and can just be duplicated. The struggles of community and systems in Massachusetts is entirely different than Mississippi or even a Chicago. Cookie cutter solutions have very little chance of working unless the environment or needs are identical.

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I don't. The Haves will still get a generally top notch education. The quality of education would likely improve for the majority of the Have Nots, but the gifted among them would have no means to challenge themselves beyond MOVING to a better neighborhood. The reform would largely benefit the wealthy.

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Real reform brings at home. Money can not and will not solve that problem.

We all know the local Dems in Chicago sold out the neighborhoods years ago. It's the same in MANY places around the country.

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That will always be the case though...what are you suggesting--banning private schools or keeping selective enrollment?

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I would guess that private schools choose their students.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Don't they choose whoever is willing to fork over the money?

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Keeping "selective enrollment". Maybe means test it. I think all gifted students should have additional options regardless of class.

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The private school my kids went to/go to has seen such a drop-off in students that I wonder if they will do away with the entrance exam completely and take all comers.

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Yeah, I can see your point. Would be funny to see the lengths to which parents would go to to get their kids in...by legally separating/transferring guardianship from them as we've seen for some college students. (Which is disgraceful.)

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I don't want to turn this into a Dem/Republican discussion but for the record the worst performing school systems in this country are invariably found in States with Republican Govs. Somehow that never gets referenced around here.

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