Selective enrollment schools are the machinations of politicians and not educators. So are neighborhoods and anything else that is to be found within a city's limits.
Their proliferation over the past 20-25 years are the result of political maneuvering of local politicians and nothing else. The increase in the amount of selectives has occurred to the detriment of neighborhood schools.

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The program I mentioned above does away with that for poor children.

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If they remove the entrance exam the quality of the school will likely go down as well.

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Technically a Brick question I guess but i wanted to answer it anyway

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One of the biggest differences between the two is that private school graduation rates are fraudulent.

2. Another difference is that private school data often goes unreported.

3. Teachers in Private Schools are not trained to teach the subject that are assigned to teach.

4. They can remove a student from their school for any reason at any given time.

5. Their curriculum often contains a number of religious courses.
6. They can be far more selective in who they admit and do not admit to their school.

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You can offer "gifted" options inside a neighborhood school. Removing those options all together punishes those really bright kids whose family lack the means to pay for a "better" school.

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

Which you hear more and more about these days.

I've heard the same thing about Fenwick. And I was told recently that Loyola's numbers were way down as well.

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Oh yeah tracking within a particular school is fine. However creating a multitude of selective enrollment schools is problematic.

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I don't know what exactly you mean but private schools can deny entry to whoever they want but more importantly can kick out anyone they want. I find it hard to believe that the program you mentioned changes that.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

So Brick, I would still love to hear your response.

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You can't just arbitrarily kick out anyone you want.

But it's true that their are not specific private schools that I'm aware of for students that have repetitive behavior issues.

The program I mentioned gives impoverished kids a choice of where to attend schools.

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You did. Private schools get to choose who their students are. Public schools don't.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I didn't say arbitrarily but I am 100% certain that the most troublesome students in a private school have ways of being separated from the school.

That doesn't change the major advantage that private schools have about being able to choose their students.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

People choose to go to private schools.

MANY people are forced to go to a public school.

The state program gives the poor a choice.

I'll try again.

Why are you against the poor getting an opportunity for a better education?

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See response above.

Private school is a choice made by parents. To say otherwise is not being honest.

You are free to not make that choice. I'll still pay for your kids to attend a public school.

I don't have a choice to do otherwise with my property tax dollars.

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Unless the end game here is to close all public schools then I'm not sure what point you are making here. The options for public schools need to be of high quality rather than shifting it to private schools that will always have limited enrollment and only benefiting a portion of the population. Every kid who goes to public school is hurt by the shifting of tax dollars towards private schools.

This is a strange question. I want every person regardless of economic situation to have access to a quality public school option. Shifting it to private schools only benefits the select few who have the ability to avoid the public schools. Why are you against everyone getting an opportunity for a better education?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I'm not saying parents don't choose to do it. They are free to figure out how to do it still. I'm not banning private schools. I'm saying public tax dollars should pay for public schools.

As you shouldn't, just like your tax dollars shouldn't go to private roads, or private parks, or private clubs, or anything else that isn't a public service.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I think what you would see if there ever was a true voucher program is parents with means moving their kids out of the private schools with too many poor kids to ones with that don't have them.

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I’d say Boston is at least modestly comparable to Chicago. Read through these stats and successes and tell me if it’s not worth a try.

https://www.bostonpublicschools.org/domain/238

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“ Over the past twenty years, the Boston Public Schools (BPS) has been transformed from a failing school district to one of the most renowned urban public school systems in the country. We educate more than 54,000 students in 125 schools - 74 percent of the school-age children who live in Boston.

We are proud to be one of the most diverse school districts in the nation. Nearly one in every two students speaks a language other than English at home, and our students come from 139 different countries. One in five BPS students has a disability, and half are economically disadvantaged.

On the National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP) – also known as the “Nation’s Report Card” – Boston students’ performance is on par with the national average for all public schools, including suburban schools, in grade 4 Reading and in grade 8 Mathematics. This is the first time since measurements began that any urban school district has met this mark in two subjects and grades”

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Hawaii (fuck) You

The end game is a better educational opportunity for all.

Which is only sporadically available in the CPS

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I think that a true voucher program allows parents to use state funding to go to a school of their choice.

There a a number of them in Chicago that are not run by religious organizations.

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So let's improve the public schools with public tax dollars.

It's not a better educational opportunity for all to leave some kids in poorly performing schools and letting some of them get a pass out of it.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Money isn't the issue in the public schools.

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Taking money away from them won't make them better either.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I disagree.

It lessens a burden they are already failing to carry.

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Fenwick's price tag is pretty steep and I believe they are losing the western suburbs to Benet. From what I have heard they have a lot of newer teachers that aren't great and the school isn't as "catholicy" for lack of a better word as they once were if that makes sense. I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts.

Schools in good districts aren't very good, imo. There has been a sizable noticeable shift in academics to social. There is way too much administration and it's really not geared toward the student. And the kids most likely falling behind have emotional issues and usually difficult family situations. Money won't fix any of that.

You could see the decline start in D-88 while we lived there. By the time our youngest daughter graduated, instruction outside of AP classes could be abysmal.

The administration shift is data, not student based, which again hampers the student's ability to get an education. They are being taught to "test", not to develop an anaylitical mind.

And the difficult family situations you mentioned are growing in the suburbs as well.

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So what happens when a child from a family of 4 with an annual income of $8,000 "chooses" to attend Fenwick? Will they be admitted if they have no way of paying the tuition?

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I can't speak for Fenwick.

Through the program I highlighted before,the private school our son attends accepted 20 students last year, without regard for religion or race, that would have been CPS students otherwise.

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Again for the record the top 5 schools in this state are found in CPS. 9 of the top 23 in the state are also found in CPS.

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I'm not sure of what Fenwick's tuition programs are.

But I do know they accepted a young woman our daughter taught in Garfield Park this past year. I know her family doesn't have the money to send her there.

I know dolphin mentioned that an alumn left $15M dollars to be spent at Ignatius to provide scholarships for African American students.

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