That's one program that I'd have to research. You claim that parents/students "choose" to attend private schools. That is a patently false statement. You can select any private school you want and that would not be the case. If they cannot afford it chances are they will not be able to attend it.

They can "choose" all they want and wouldn't make a bit of difference.

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The students aren't data points, or test scores.

The students are human beings, with a God given dignity.

That's the biggest difference between the private school are son goes to, and the CPS.

It's also the difference between how our daughter treats the kids she teaches in a charter school, versus what her kids experienced in the CPS.

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I will provide a another scenario. What happens when a child that reads at a 5th grade level and is 2 grades behind as he/she leaves elementary school "chooses" to attend Chicago Lab because he/she feels that they deserve a "quality" education? Will they be admitted?

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We chose at some point to send all of our kids to private schools.

All of our children attended said schools, some were provided financial aid since we couldn't afford it.

MANY schools have stats that show the percentage of kids receiving aid.

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I have no idea of what the Lab school does.

My daughter has a former student attending Latin next year.

Deni$ is the only guy here I'm aware of that could pay that.

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You provide a number of stereotypes and frankly prejudices about CPS schools then you proceed to instruct me as to what they are and are not.

If Charter Schools were the panacea that you proclaim then your average educator wouldn't run from them the first chance they get. And I'm sorry yours as well your daughters personal experiences do not change that by the way.

Charters are renowned for removing kids for so much as chewing bad gum yet you preach and pontificate as if they are known for "caring about the children"

You know who takes them when Private Schools and Charters wash their hands of them? Public Schools. The same uncaring and unfeeling schools that you incessantly and constantly bash on here.

We don't have the option of whether to accept them or not. We have to accept them regardless of circumstance as long as they reside in the attendance area. We also cannot simply tell them to leave once we are tired of them. Charters and Private schools can and often do.

That's why the Graduation rates of both (usually upper 90's) are often inflated. They kick out kids that aren't cutting it academically and behaviorally and doesn't count against their graduation rate. Meanwhile if a student drops out of a CPS School or fails to graduate in 4 years it still counts against our rate of graduation. As both proceed with this pattern of "non educating" they proceed to preach and condescend to public schools as if nothing but great things are occurring in their schools. Sure it is.

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My brother lived near Latin school before he moved out to Boston. Looked at it for elementary school (maybe even kindergarten or pre-K, can’t remember) as it bettered you’re chances of getting into the later grades). When he told me the cost for it or Parker I think I about puked. Lot of those ISL schools offered scholarships back in the day.

They still do offer many scholarships.

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They aren't offering that many and they definitely aren't offering them to any and everyone. CPS schools have to take everyone as part of State and Federal law. They don't have the option of whether to accept or deny entry to a student.

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There are CPS schools with Graduation classes larger than the entire student body of Francis Parker or frankly the Latin School for that matter.
They aren't offering all that many.

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The kids who get them are happy that they did.

And my daughter has students going to Garfield Park next year from Englewood.

LOVE CHANGES PEOPLES LIVES. INSTANTANEOUSLY.

One person at a time.

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I had a couple of students use LINK unlimited to pay for Ignatius. It is not a particulary easy route to go through. I see link now partners with a lot more schools than they use to.

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I think there can be a balance, though, between prohibiting all tax dollars for private use and recognizing that when one sends their kid to a private school, they are relieving the public of most of the financial burden of educating that child.

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We're all told that "following the data" is beneficial to the students. I guess it depends on how you interpret the data. The AP numbers aren't really great even in "better" schools.

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Nothing like a few actualities to change pernicious myths I guess.

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The kids that attend Payton Young North Side Jones and Lane Tech are often happy as well.

And there are MANY more of them to count than there are students waiting for the pittance that Schools like Parker and the Latin School will happen to bestow upon them. That's for sure.

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I think where we are it's about 17%. I know our administration is committed to not turning someone away based on financials and based on Lasallian principles.

This is from 2014/2015, not sure if it's accurate https://www.germantownbulldogs.org/vima ... tudent.pdf

That's a significant amount more per student per year than we pay in tuition. I wonder if it's accurate, how much it's changed, and how much difference there is in education. I like how catholic schools have their own culture too.

Payton is disproportionately white.

North Side is only 7% black.

Lane Tech is 10% black.

That's a pittance of the total number of black students in the CPS getting a chance at the better schools.

Your defense of it is troubling.

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That doesn't mean we have to listen.

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And this is the difference between a person that is actually in the profession for a living and a person that merely provides the perspective as provided from his daughter's point of view.

MANY people involved with education already know this. The exact same points that I provided earlier as a matter of fact.


Sure does sound like a "caring and nurturing" environment doesn't it?

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So that's an interesting side discussion to the whole Catholic school education debate.

The Christian Brothers have a charism. And originally it was to educate the poorer kids and the kids that were difficult. The one's that now end up in a public school.

That's not what your school is there for. Which means they have gotten away from what was the original mission. which is why they were founded in the first place.

We sent two daughters through there, and my father taught there for 15 years. They always seemed to be searching for an identity besides their football team.

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And what percentage of black students do you think attend Francis Parker or The Latin School? Yet when they do they "sure are happy" according to you. Again be happy for the "pittance" and benevolence that is bestowed upon you. One person at a time.

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Spoken like a person that is truly ignorant of CPS but then I already knew that.

Whitney Young, Brooks, Lindblom, not to mention The Phoenix Academy are all highly rated schools that service a large % of African American students.

Not so surprising you neglected to include them.

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Were you aware of how few black students attend those selective enrollment schools before I posted it here?

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Not surprising you won't speak out against those who sign your check.

You complain here almost daily about racism, while gleefully supporting and holding up as an example, a system that engages in the same behavior you claim to be against.

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Sure I was but those aren't the only selective enrollments and its interesting the racial angle you placed on it the second I named high performing CPS schools.

I will ignore that to say this. There are other high performing CPS schools which have a large % of African American students. Brooks,Whitney Young (Also in the top 5 though you ignored that) Lindblom, Phoenix, Westinghouse are all among the highest performing schools in the state. They all have a large percentage of black students in them.

Meanwhile I'm fairly certain that you have never factored in the % of black students while considering the "greatness" of a private school education. Could be wrong though.

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I would say they are still committed to it or at least are trying to go back to it maybe. They do have an emphasis on sports but it really is a nice community to be a part of. The kids seem to get along well even if they aren't involved in the sports. I think it comes from the smallness of the school, there is a large sense of community, which I think then carries over. The education is fine. For my son, I think it was the right choice. I think my daughter would fit in better at Benet or Naz or even Fenwick.

There are other selective enrollment schools that have a greater black population. Also, there are more whites living in poverty than any other group of people in America. Failing communities, families and schools impact all groups of people.

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Nah I don't allow people that don't what they are talking about to provide false information and for the record I criticized a CPS policy a few days ago.
Your falsification of factual information is what is really not all that "surprising". You lie about as often as a man with Diarrhea will have to take a shit.

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I was curious about your views on some on the Noble schools. In general, they are predominantly Hispanic, but the data says that a couple are doing really well. Granted it's limited in some cases.

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