Let's try this one again


If business isn't the "true" reason then what is the true reason?

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I don't care if someone supports Trump. There are reasons to do so.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Sorry Rick I think I quoted the wrong post. I meant to reply to LTG's response to what you said. "Attacking criticism of X is supports of X" is a LTG favorite.

Ducking!



If business isn't the "true" reason then what is the true reason?

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Silencing Morrey was a political decision. His politicking had to be silenced. What do you call silencing politics? Politicking.

Why was the silencing of Morey politically and not financially based?

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I'm saying that you have characterized people as "supporters" of movements (conservatism, racism, etc.) and regimes (Trump administration) for attacking the critiques of those things, but when it is the NBA and/or NBA players trying to silence Daryl Morey's criticism of China, somehow you arrive at the decision to characterize those actions (silencing Morey and refusing to criticize China when asked directly about their human rights abuses) merely as a "business decision" and not support of the regime in China. It's obvious that you do it, and it's obvious why you do it. What is any kind of wonder anymore is that you continue to try to do it at all.

Now you're deflecting which means that you cannot support the point that you're making.

I will ask again. What makes the decision to silence Morey politically and not financially based?

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I said why it is political: Silencing Morey was aimed specifically at silencing his political speech about a specific topic—that's political in and of itself.

The NBA doesn't silence all political speech in an effort to avoid uneasy conversations with business partners, only certain types of politics. In fact, they are now actively seeking to make politicking of a certain type a central focus of their entire sports league. That makes them political actors.

Using this particular logic then that also means that the United States and Donald Trump are also supporters of the human rights abuses of China as well. Both routinely conduct business with the rather oppressive Chinese Government. You do know that China owns more of our debt than does any other nation on Earth and Trump took out a $500 million loan from the Bank of China. Trump also has businesses that employs many of the lower paid workers that are subjected to the sort of abuse that you reference.

Would you also say that both the U.S. and Trump are "supporters" of the oppression and abuse that routinely occurs in China?

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This doesn't make sense. No surprise there by the way. This wasn't a First Amendment issue. There were economic considerations which far outweighed his right to speak. That's why they silenced him.

Now if you really believe that the NBA supports the oppression and genocide of Chinese people then just simply say this and stop tap dancing around it.

Is that what you believe?

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Who brought up the First Amendment? Silencing political speech because that specific political speech will get you in any kind of trouble is a political move. That is indisputable.

Now if you really believe that the NBA supports the oppression and genocide of Chinese people then just simply say this and stop tap dancing around it.

Is that what you believe?


I already have my answer. You believe that the NBA supports oppression and genocide in China. This statement proves it. Ok if they support it then so does both the United States and Trump. Both have business interests in China.

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How? The NBA isn't a political party.

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LTG, I said that was your logic.

So only political parties can engage in politics? Are you serious?

The NBA doesn't support the China's ethnic cleansing operation, obviously. They just choose to stay silent on it.

Now I've read in MANY places that staying silent with regards to the dozen or so people unjustly killed by police every year is to sanction it. Been told that I've got to use my white privilege to stop this maybe-just-as-threatening-as-lightning-strikes event from happening.

Well the NBA, in some sort of odd happenstance, has a tremendous of privilege in China. Chinese people love the NBA. So, following the logic that silence is akin to sanction by white people in America, what do we call what the NBA does? And let's get real the Chinese government is going to disappear more people in Hong Kong today than American police officers have unjustly killed people in the last decade.

So yeah, I think its fair to go after the NBA for this even though they dont actually say "we stand with the ethnic cleansing in Western China".

Pretty much yes. What would the political ramifications of allowing Morey to speak entail exactly?

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See how quickly "EVERYTHING is politics!" can become "NOTHING ABOUT THIS IS POLITICS" in the mind of a clown?

Do you also bash Trump for remaining silent on the issue of oppression too? Do you also find his behavior peculiar as well? If so can you find a quote where you have openly criticized him for ignoring the human rights abuses as well because I don't quite recall that.

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What are the "political" ramifications of continuing to allow Morey to speak out against China's human rights abuses?

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I figured you be on here not celebrating the 4th of July. Sad!

No problem buddy. Have a good 4th of July!

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

China closing its borders to the NBA.

You too, have fun but stay safe as well!

Trump takes it a step further and shows his adoration of Xi Jinping. So yeah, he's pretty much done as far as I'm concerned.

So there are no political ramifications. That's an economic ramification.

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He had an economic relationship with China long before he became President and you ignored it. You objections to him now are politically and not economically motivated. He was a supporter (by your logic) of China and its human rights abuses for about long as the NBA and none of that bothered

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Closing borders IS a political ramification. It is a political act (borders are LITERALLY political), born from the governing political body in response to, in this case, political speech.

You'd be better off admitting that you think the NBA should be able to do whatever it wants without criticism because they are woke in a way that you like. At least that would be.

So it's really, really important for the NBA to maintain access to acountry where they cut off your hands for theft and cut off your dick for rape?

Thanks for illustrating once again how utterly stupid you happen to be.

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