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Are you having a stroke?

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Tacking on a hate crime charge for PAINTING OVER OTHER VANDALISM is purely vindictive and designed to ruin these people's lives. Hope everyone is happy with this.

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Eye of the beholder?

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Good. They should be charged.

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Covering up other acts of vandalism, without the proper permission, is itself vandalism, I suppose. So yeah, go ahead and charge them with vandalism.

The hate crime charge is preposterous and indicative of prosecutorial misconduct. There is no "victim", here, who's race was the impetus for the crime, it was a political disagreement. To charge these people with a hate crime for covering up BLM vandalism is to attempt to codify the notion that disagreeing with certain politics/politicking is racist at best, and criminally racist at worst. EVERYONE should be outraged over the inclusion of hate crime charges.

Should the people who painted the "mural" in the first place be charged? Doesn't it seem like we're setting up a two-tiered justice system based on the political ideologies of the perpetrators and/or victims?

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So it is only now that this 'two-tiered" system has been "set up" aye?

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Yes, the original people should be charged too.

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Should the original vandals (and members of The Vandals) be charged with a hate crime, too?

I think the hate crime part of it will be difficult to prove but you are being overdramatic.

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I'm gonna say that if you were the guy sitting there under such a charge you'd be a little nervous about it and that wouldn't be overdramatic.

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Actually no, the original creators shouldn't be charged with anything. They had gotten it approved by the city.

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"Lady Justice should be blind!" I couldn't agree more!

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Of course I'd be nervous if I was charged with any crime.

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Nice of them to approve painting over traffic information.

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That may be true but it raises another question.

The statement "black lives matter" isn't controversial at all. In fact I have never met a single person in my entire life who would disagree with it, and that even includes people I would consider racists. And for the vast majority of people, "black lives matter" means just that. It's simple and straightforward.

But that's the problem. Black Lives Matter isn't simply a statement that almost every American agrees with. It's an organized polictial movement, one that many, if not most people who have no issue with the sentiment being painted on public property with government approval do not support. Or wouldn't support if they knew exactly what its philosophies and goals were.

It would be like if a far Right organization branded itself as Love Thy Neighbor. And anyone who said they didn't support loving thy neighbor was pilloried and made a social pariah.

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Or if a governor funded a political organization with tens of millions of dollars and called it "Vote Yes for Fairness". Who's against fairness?

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Charge both groups with vandalism but not hate crimes. Don't know how they can prove it was a hate crime.

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So why are these people painting over it?

What is the goal though? There is always a group who wants the current system broken down and replaced with whatever utopian society they think is actually good. Is this movement much different than the Occupy Wall Street people?

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Black Lives Matter really isn't all that organized though. That's one of the biggest issues that I have with them.

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I think most CFMB members are intelligent enough to draw distinction between black lives mattering and Black Lives Matter. My proposal is very simple. Why not paint the streets and post yard signs that say "Black People Matter" rather than supporting a trojan horse brand?

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They've managed to raise a lot of cash.

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It's a slogan. The people behind the movement for police reform don't want a leader in order to be more organized or have a more coherent message. It would give people who oppose the message an easier target for assassination and other things. Allowing anyone to be able to put a rally together makes a lot of sense when you think about it that way.

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That's true but they operate as a single issue reactionary movement. They'd been dormant for about four years and they only seem to be viable when there is a controversial cop killing of a black person. In order to be truly relevant as a political movement they are going to have to expand their platform. They are currently just a niche movement

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I would have no issues with Black Lives Matter if it were simply about police reform. If you read their mission statement I know there is a lot of shit there that you disagree with. And I know sometimes we support things that we don't agree with 100% because the central goal is so important, but in this case I think the central goal is being obscured.

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I get that but they are going to have to add more variety and structure in order to truly be considered a political movement. Currently they function merely as reactionists.

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I have no idea. Maybe they take issue with their tax dollars supporting a political moverment with which they disagree. Maybe they're virulent racists who hate black people. You'd have to ask them.

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