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Baseball is currently providing an object lesson on why communism will never work. Every player has to do "what's best for him and his family". In spite of the seeming rising demand for communism in the U.S., almost no one takes issue with that.

And such philosophy isn't based upon an indoctrination in capitalism. It's simply mammalian nature. A mare cares more about her own foal than she does about the one across the pasture. And I'm pretty sure she isn't a capitalist.

There is no way to run a large group as a collective. The strongest personalities will always prevail. That's why collectivism always ends in dictatorship.

But whether it's baseball players or any other wealthy person who has the means and the wherewithal to "opt out" during this pandemic while relying on others to supply the essentials to keep them alive and maintain some semblance of society, it's anything but collectivism.

Here's a simple proposal. Anyone who decides to opt out of available work should also be required to opt out of the commercial food and healthcare systems. You can opt out, but don't expect others to risk their own lives to put food on your table. Plant a fucking garden.


It looks like you aren't coming back.

With very few exceptions, from our presidents to a guy working in a meat factory, everyone in this country has always done what is best for their family. If it happens to benefit someone else, so be it.

You oppose a mask mandate in places of business during a pandemic that EXPERTS believe is best for the collective and could save lives. That's Un-American to you. Now, you want to force EVERYONE to work during a pandemic that could increase their chances of dying and that of a loved one or you don't want them to eat. That's American to you.


You just want to force some people to work during a pandemic. That's America to you.

I'm not following your fascist logic. Cuz I know you're not fascist. You are well aware there are haves and have nots and life isn't fair and it never was and never will be.


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Nas wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Baseball is currently providing an object lesson on why communism will never work. Every player has to do "what's best for him and his family". In spite of the seeming rising demand for communism in the U.S., almost no one takes issue with that.

And such philosophy isn't based upon an indoctrination in capitalism. It's simply mammalian nature. A mare cares more about her own foal than she does about the one across the pasture. And I'm pretty sure she isn't a capitalist.

There is no way to run a large group as a collective. The strongest personalities will always prevail. That's why collectivism always ends in dictatorship.

But whether it's baseball players or any other wealthy person who has the means and the wherewithal to "opt out" during this pandemic while relying on others to supply the essentials to keep them alive and maintain some semblance of society, it's anything but collectivism.

Here's a simple proposal. Anyone who decides to opt out of available work should also be required to opt out of the commercial food and healthcare systems. You can opt out, but don't expect others to risk their own lives to put food on your table. Plant a fucking garden.


It looks like you aren't coming back.

With very few exceptions, from our presidents to a guy working in a meat factory, everyone in this country has always done what is best for their family. If it happens to benefit someone else, so be it.

You oppose a mask mandate in places of business during a pandemic that EXPERTS believe is best for the collective and could save lives. That's Un-American to you. Now, you want to force EVERYONE to work during a pandemic that could increase their chances of dying and that of a loved one or you don't want them to eat. That's American to you.


You just want to force some people to work during a pandemic. That's America to you.

I'm not following your fascist logic. Cuz I know you're not fascist. You are well aware there are haves and have nots and life isn't fair and it never was and never will be.


I'm just saying, I don't consider someone a hero for opting out. They're selfishly counting on a meatpacker risking his life so they stay fed.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Baseball is currently providing an object lesson on why communism will never work. Every player has to do "what's best for him and his family". In spite of the seeming rising demand for communism in the U.S., almost no one takes issue with that.

And such philosophy isn't based upon an indoctrination in capitalism. It's simply mammalian nature. A mare cares more about her own foal than she does about the one across the pasture. And I'm pretty sure she isn't a capitalist.

There is no way to run a large group as a collective. The strongest personalities will always prevail. That's why collectivism always ends in dictatorship.

But whether it's baseball players or any other wealthy person who has the means and the wherewithal to "opt out" during this pandemic while relying on others to supply the essentials to keep them alive and maintain some semblance of society, it's anything but collectivism.

Here's a simple proposal. Anyone who decides to opt out of available work should also be required to opt out of the commercial food and healthcare systems. You can opt out, but don't expect others to risk their own lives to put food on your table. Plant a fucking garden.


It looks like you aren't coming back.

With very few exceptions, from our presidents to a guy working in a meat factory, everyone in this country has always done what is best for their family. If it happens to benefit someone else, so be it.

You oppose a mask mandate in places of business during a pandemic that EXPERTS believe is best for the collective and could save lives. That's Un-American to you. Now, you want to force EVERYONE to work during a pandemic that could increase their chances of dying and that of a loved one or you don't want them to eat. That's American to you.


You just want to force some people to work during a pandemic. That's America to you.


I just don't want to pretend that we haven't all generally done what is best for ourselves and our families and will continue to do it. War used to temporarily change that, but I'm not confident it would change that in a significant way today.

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Baseball is currently providing an object lesson on why communism will never work. Every player has to do "what's best for him and his family". In spite of the seeming rising demand for communism in the U.S., almost no one takes issue with that.

And such philosophy isn't based upon an indoctrination in capitalism. It's simply mammalian nature. A mare cares more about her own foal than she does about the one across the pasture. And I'm pretty sure she isn't a capitalist.

There is no way to run a large group as a collective. The strongest personalities will always prevail. That's why collectivism always ends in dictatorship.

But whether it's baseball players or any other wealthy person who has the means and the wherewithal to "opt out" during this pandemic while relying on others to supply the essentials to keep them alive and maintain some semblance of society, it's anything but collectivism.

Here's a simple proposal. Anyone who decides to opt out of available work should also be required to opt out of the commercial food and healthcare systems. You can opt out, but don't expect others to risk their own lives to put food on your table. Plant a fucking garden.

Kopech made you cranky as fuck. It's better we find out now he's a weak little sister while he still has good worth.



THIS is essentially what I was going to initially post. Far too often we find out about anxiety and other things after a big game.


Still won't stop the Bears from signing them.


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These players that are opting out of playing are mainly the richer ones. The players who are possibly getting hurt by this are the young guys who are trying to make a major league team and certainly everyone in the minor league system. There are only a few years really for a baseball player to prove his worth and make a team and therefore major bank. Whatever Kopech's problem is, he has lost a significant year in which to prove himself. They will stick with him for sure because of the money that they gave him that is non refundable but he still lost a year to prove himself. The guys who literally are his competition to make the roster will get a chance to show their worth and he won't.

I hope that I am wrong but I question whether Kopech will ever wind up as a major league starting pitcher. Something is strange about this guy and I wonder if the scouts who assessed him spent enough time with his mental state. I question greatly whether they did. Did they talk to his former coaches and teachers? Was he coachable or was he basically left alone because he could throw the ball 100+? Believe me, this shit does happen sometimes with kids and their parents that think that they have a gold mine in their hands. When that kind of shit happens a coach is pretty much useless. When that happened to me(and it did) I completely washed my hands of all of them and concentrated on the coachable players

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The reaction to Kopech's decision by fans has been all over the place, when you look at social media. I just think there needs to be a greater understanding here that all of us are living under in 2020...It really is selfish to criticize the decision someone makes.
-Zach Zaidman-

Apparently Kopech won't get paid for 2020 not having a qualifying underlying condition. Me, if he wants to opt out I'm fine with it, especially with his issues. But ZZ wants to censor opinions that don't align with his. It's baseball . People have opinions. Just as long as they're not vicious. Another example of the Score censoring.


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OK so its selfish to criticize my decision not to wear a mask. Thank you Mr. Zaidman.


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These players that are opting out of playing are mainly the richer ones. That players who are possibly getting hurt by this are the young guys who are trying to make a major league team and certainly everyone in the minor league system. There are only a few years really for a baseball player to prove his worth and make a team and therefore major bank. Whatever Kopech's problem is, he has lost a significant year in which to prove himself. They will stick with him for sure because of the money that they gave him that is non refundable but he still lost a year to prove himself. The guys who literally are his competition to make the roster will get a chance to show their worth and he won't.

I hope that I am wrong but I question whether Kopech will ever wind up as a major league starting pitcher. Something is strange about this guy and I wonder if the scouts who assessed him spent enough time with his mental state. I question greatly whether they did. Did they talk to his former coaches and teachers? Was he coachable or was he basically left alone because he could throw the ball 100+? Believe me, this shit does happen sometimes with kids and their parents that think that they have a gold mine in their hands. When that kind of shit happens a coach is pretty much useless. When that happened to me(and it did) I completely washed my hands of all of them and concentrated on the coachable players

Could be a 5 and fly guy or a middle reliever. Having anxiety isn't new. Guys have been puking before games since the beginning. It's the bragging about it and connecting it to failure.

Part of a coach's job is to get through to the uncoachable. I've never washed my hands.


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The reaction to Kopech's decision by fans has been all over the place, when you look at social media. I just think there needs to be a greater understanding here that all of us are living under in 2020...It really is selfish to criticize the decision someone makes.
-Zach Zaidman-

Apparently Kopech won't get paid for 2020 not having a qualifying underlying condition. Me, if he wants to opt out I'm fine with it, especially with his issues. But ZZ wants to censor opinions that don't align with his. It's baseball . People have opinions. Just as long as they're not vicious. Another example of the Score censoring.



If Kopech won’t get paid for 2020 then his decision to not play sits differently with me. If it’s not COVID related and he’s choosing not to play and accepts not being paid as a consequence then so be it.

With that said, I hope dude is ok. It’s a very different situation, but this reminds me of Prior with the Cubs circa 2006 where he was on the team but the organization could no longer plan around his presence. If he made some starts and contributed, so be it, but more than likely we all knew by then he couldn’t be depended on.

I highly doubt Kopech has a 18-6 year of 200 innings and 250ks in him but one can hope.


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These players that are opting out of playing are mainly the richer ones. That players who are possibly getting hurt by this are the young guys who are trying to make a major league team and certainly everyone in the minor league system. There are only a few years really for a baseball player to prove his worth and make a team and therefore major bank. Whatever Kopech's problem is, he has lost a significant year in which to prove himself. They will stick with him for sure because of the money that they gave him that is non refundable but he still lost a year to prove himself. The guys who literally are his competition to make the roster will get a chance to show their worth and he won't.

I hope that I am wrong but I question whether Kopech will ever wind up as a major league starting pitcher. Something is strange about this guy and I wonder if the scouts who assessed him spent enough time with his mental state. I question greatly whether they did. Did they talk to his former coaches and teachers? Was he coachable or was he basically left alone because he could throw the ball 100+? Believe me, this shit does happen sometimes with kids and their parents that think that they have a gold mine in their hands. When that kind of shit happens a coach is pretty much useless. When that happened to me(and it did) I completely washed my hands of all of them and concentrated on the coachable players

Could be a 5 and fly guy or a middle reliever. Having anxiety isn't new. Guys have been puking before games since the beginning. It's the bragging about it and connecting it to failure.

Part of a coach's job is to get through to the uncoachable. I've never washed my hands.


I don’t think the pre game jitters is what he’s been battling.

He was in with Mac, Spiegs, and Parkins in Spring Training and it was painful to hear him answer questions. The guy sounded miserable. Previous interviews of his had more of a positive, recovery type bent to them but the tone he has in spring was not that.


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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Nardi wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Baseball is currently providing an object lesson on why communism will never work. Every player has to do "what's best for him and his family". In spite of the seeming rising demand for communism in the U.S., almost no one takes issue with that.

And such philosophy isn't based upon an indoctrination in capitalism. It's simply mammalian nature. A mare cares more about her own foal than she does about the one across the pasture. And I'm pretty sure she isn't a capitalist.

There is no way to run a large group as a collective. The strongest personalities will always prevail. That's why collectivism always ends in dictatorship.

But whether it's baseball players or any other wealthy person who has the means and the wherewithal to "opt out" during this pandemic while relying on others to supply the essentials to keep them alive and maintain some semblance of society, it's anything but collectivism.

Here's a simple proposal. Anyone who decides to opt out of available work should also be required to opt out of the commercial food and healthcare systems. You can opt out, but don't expect others to risk their own lives to put food on your table. Plant a fucking garden.


It looks like you aren't coming back.

With very few exceptions, from our presidents to a guy working in a meat factory, everyone in this country has always done what is best for their family. If it happens to benefit someone else, so be it.

You oppose a mask mandate in places of business during a pandemic that EXPERTS believe is best for the collective and could save lives. That's Un-American to you. Now, you want to force EVERYONE to work during a pandemic that could increase their chances of dying and that of a loved one or you don't want them to eat. That's American to you.


You just want to force some people to work during a pandemic. That's America to you.

I'm not following your fascist logic. Cuz I know you're not fascist. You are well aware there are haves and have nots and life isn't fair and it never was and never will be.


I'm just saying, I don't consider someone a hero for opting out. They're selfishly counting on a meatpacker risking his life so they stay fed.


I feel the same way. If you are going to opt out then do it but SHUT THE FUCK UP about doing it. First of all people have their own right to think what is true and not true out there especially when it is the fucking government talking as well as other people who have their own personal stake in the matter.

Personally, I really miss baseball and hope that they play this year no matter how the season turns out.

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What a disaster. Kopech will go over 2 and a half years without pitching in a major league game if he pitches in April 2021.


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I have an option at my work to stay home and not get paid. I choose to work and provide for my family. If Kopech doesn't want to work and doesn't get paid, then that is his decision and we should respect it.

He does not have an obligation to play a game so we have something to do when we stay at home on our couch.


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I have an option at my work to stay home and not get paid. I choose to work and provide for my family. If Kopech doesn't want to work and doesn't get paid, then that is his decision and we should respect it.

He does not have an obligation to play a game so we have something to do when we stay at home on our couch.

When he washes out of the league in a few seasons, he's probably going to wish he played an extra season.

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I have an option at my work to stay home and not get paid. I choose to work and provide for my family. If Kopech doesn't want to work and doesn't get paid, then that is his decision and we should respect it.

He does not have an obligation to play a game so we have something to do when we stay at home on our couch.

When he washes out of the league in a few seasons, he's probably going to wish he played an extra season.

It's weird to me a 23 yr old athlete doesn't want to do athletic stuff. Athletic stuff IS THE BEST.


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I have an option at my work to stay home and not get paid. I choose to work and provide for my family. If Kopech doesn't want to work and doesn't get paid, then that is his decision and we should respect it.

He does not have an obligation to play a game so we have something to do when we stay at home on our couch.

When he washes out of the league in a few seasons, he's probably going to wish he played an extra season.


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These players that are opting out of playing are mainly the richer ones. That players who are possibly getting hurt by this are the young guys who are trying to make a major league team and certainly everyone in the minor league system. There are only a few years really for a baseball player to prove his worth and make a team and therefore major bank. Whatever Kopech's problem is, he has lost a significant year in which to prove himself. They will stick with him for sure because of the money that they gave him that is non refundable but he still lost a year to prove himself. The guys who literally are his competition to make the roster will get a chance to show their worth and he won't.

I hope that I am wrong but I question whether Kopech will ever wind up as a major league starting pitcher. Something is strange about this guy and I wonder if the scouts who assessed him spent enough time with his mental state. I question greatly whether they did. Did they talk to his former coaches and teachers? Was he coachable or was he basically left alone because he could throw the ball 100+? Believe me, this shit does happen sometimes with kids and their parents that think that they have a gold mine in their hands. When that kind of shit happens a coach is pretty much useless. When that happened to me(and it did) I completely washed my hands of all of them and concentrated on the coachable players

Could be a 5 and fly guy or a middle reliever. Having anxiety isn't new. Guys have been puking before games since the beginning. It's the bragging about it and connecting it to failure.

Part of a coach's job is to get through to the uncoachable. I've never washed my hands.


I don’t think the pre game jitters is what he’s been battling.

He was in with Mac, Spiegs, and Parkins in Spring Training and it was painful to hear him answer questions. The guy sounded miserable. Previous interviews of his had more of a positive, recovery type bent to them but the tone he has in spring was not that.

Tweet sounds like he has excessive paranoia about his TJ. So you may be right. I'm sure Hahn has told him he can gear up any way he sees fit. But he opted out anyway. This after a 1-3/4 year recovery where he was throwing 100+ in March.


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These players that are opting out of playing are mainly the richer ones. That players who are possibly getting hurt by this are the young guys who are trying to make a major league team and certainly everyone in the minor league system. There are only a few years really for a baseball player to prove his worth and make a team and therefore major bank. Whatever Kopech's problem is, he has lost a significant year in which to prove himself. They will stick with him for sure because of the money that they gave him that is non refundable but he still lost a year to prove himself. The guys who literally are his competition to make the roster will get a chance to show their worth and he won't.

I hope that I am wrong but I question whether Kopech will ever wind up as a major league starting pitcher. Something is strange about this guy and I wonder if the scouts who assessed him spent enough time with his mental state. I question greatly whether they did. Did they talk to his former coaches and teachers? Was he coachable or was he basically left alone because he could throw the ball 100+? Believe me, this shit does happen sometimes with kids and their parents that think that they have a gold mine in their hands. When that kind of shit happens a coach is pretty much useless. When that happened to me(and it did) I completely washed my hands of all of them and concentrated on the coachable players

Could be a 5 and fly guy or a middle reliever. Having anxiety isn't new. Guys have been puking before games since the beginning. It's the bragging about it and connecting it to failure.

Part of a coach's job is to get through to the uncoachable. I've never washed my hands.


I don't believe in that. I am old school when it comes to coaching pitchers. And part of the reason is the bullshit attitude that some of these kids and their parents have. When a kid disses me, its over. I will not put up with any bullshit. I move on to others who will try what I suggest to them. Sometimes my suggestions and techniques work. In some cases they don't. There isn't only one way to get hitters out or to succeed as a pitcher and some kids just aren't cut out to be pitchers for several reasons.

There also is a difference between coaching in high school versus coaching in travel ball and that is the politics of it. There is much more political bullshit going on in high schools based on the parents influence with the principal or AD. I finally quit coaching high school because of the AD's interference.

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These players that are opting out of playing are mainly the richer ones. That players who are possibly getting hurt by this are the young guys who are trying to make a major league team and certainly everyone in the minor league system. There are only a few years really for a baseball player to prove his worth and make a team and therefore major bank. Whatever Kopech's problem is, he has lost a significant year in which to prove himself. They will stick with him for sure because of the money that they gave him that is non refundable but he still lost a year to prove himself. The guys who literally are his competition to make the roster will get a chance to show their worth and he won't.

I hope that I am wrong but I question whether Kopech will ever wind up as a major league starting pitcher. Something is strange about this guy and I wonder if the scouts who assessed him spent enough time with his mental state. I question greatly whether they did. Did they talk to his former coaches and teachers? Was he coachable or was he basically left alone because he could throw the ball 100+? Believe me, this shit does happen sometimes with kids and their parents that think that they have a gold mine in their hands. When that kind of shit happens a coach is pretty much useless. When that happened to me(and it did) I completely washed my hands of all of them and concentrated on the coachable players

Could be a 5 and fly guy or a middle reliever. Having anxiety isn't new. Guys have been puking before games since the beginning. It's the bragging about it and connecting it to failure.

Part of a coach's job is to get through to the uncoachable. I've never washed my hands.


I don't believe in that. I am old school when it comes to coaching pitchers. And part of the reason is the bullshit attitude that some of these kids and their parents have. When a kid disses me, its over. I will not put up with any bullshit. I move on to others who will try what I suggest to them. Sometimes my suggestions and techniques work. In some cases they don't. There isn't only one way to get hitters out or to succeed as a pitcher and some kids just aren't cut out to be pitchers for several reasons.

There also is a difference between coaching in high school versus coaching in travel ball and that is the politics of it. There is much more political bullshit going on in high schools based on the parents influence with the principal or AD. I finally quit coaching high school because of the AD's interference.

I hear you. I only coached HS pitchers in summer leagues. Dads reading pitching books tend to be a problem. But I get it. My sons pitched. 95% of pitching is comfort and confidence. It was my experience everything that is suggested should be in that framework. You lose comfort, then you lose confidence, you then hit the showers.

From what I read Kopech's dad is a lawer who's read a lot of pitching books. He may not of spent a lot of time on comfort and confidence.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:38 pm 
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So it wasn’t battle that caused Scrambled Brains, it was kids sick of his attitude firing fastballs at his head.

I found his academy on Yelp. Stolen Valor and Stolen Bases.

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Cooper said, “I don’t know what is going on with Michael, but I know he deals with some anxiety and depression, and my thought is, I sure hope he’s OK. And I hope he gets to where he needs to be, where he’s feeling good and wants to come back, because we will welcome him back with open arms.” Cooper noted that Kopech “was in a great place” during spring training and added, “I’m concerned that he’s not OK.”

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If the guy who's drunk 24 hours a day is worried about you, that's probably not a good sign.

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If the guy who's drunk 24 hours a day is worried about you, that's probably not a good sign.

That's not fair. Most of the time he gets some breakfast in him first.


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Heard the score this morning, it was either ZZ or Speigs, but they were saying 'rumors' swirling around on why he opted out. What are some of these rumors???????

I would have thought beardown would be on top of this shit.


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He does not have an obligation to play a game so we have something to do when we stay at home on our couch.


Does someone have an obligation to provide food and electricity, etc. so that he can stay alive? What if all those people decided to "opt out"?

From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs. What are the baseball player's abilities? Because clearly he expects his needs to be met by the abilities of someone else.

I can hear the argument that "sports aren't important at a time like this." And I would submit that they are actually more important than ever. When certain people are done risking their lives for the day in order to provide you with food, power, and healthcare, they deserve to be able to relax with some entertainment. That some of those with the ability to entertain refuse to do so might be the most selfish thing I can think of.

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If the guy who's drunk 24 hours a day is worried about you, that's probably not a good sign.

http://chicagofanatics.com/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=114458&p=3068349&hilit=brick#p3068349

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Juiced wrote:
He does not have an obligation to play a game so we have something to do when we stay at home on our couch.


Does someone have an obligation to provide food and electricity, etc. so that he can stay alive? What if all those people decided to "opt out"?

From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs. What are the baseball player's abilities? Because clearly he expects his needs to be met by the abilities of someone else.

I can hear the argument that "sports aren't important at a time like this." And I would submit that they are actually more important than ever. When certain people are done risking their lives for the day in order to provide you with food, power, and healthcare, they deserve to be able to relax with some entertainment. That some of those with the ability to entertain refuse to do so might be the most selfish thing I can think of.

This.

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