An overwhelming majority of people are in favor of masks. You really think the above post would be a good idea as a business owner? You think telling your mask wearing customers who aren't comfortable being in an enclosed space with non mask wearer that they should "just avoid the guy without a mask" is a good idea for a business? They'll avoid them all right, avoid them by leaving your store and not coming back.

Solid business plan there.

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It's not about being an authoritarian in this situation. No government is involved in this situation. And you're right, it's not about safety either really. It's about not allowing people to do whatever the fuck they want in your establishment with zero consequence.

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Based on what I have seen yes, i think it is a fair plan. You could say the opposite about non-mask wearers. Why would a business put in a plan that mandates a large percentage of my customer base will go elsewhere? My plan gives people a choice and doesn't freeze out an entire segment of the population. Both groups are welcome and can co-exist safely. For the good of all I would suggest masks and social distancing. Why would I mandate something and put that pressure on my employees?

having a fracas where one of your employees is pepper spraying a customer isn't exactly good for business either

People shouldn't be allowed to do whatever the fuck they want. Its your business. But when you mandate something like this YOU are the one taking responsibility for enforcing it and creating the conflict you know will come from it. If you feel that it is worth it, that the extra safety gained is worth all the headaches that will come from it then that is your prerogative. I am saying that the safety gained is marginal at best and the potential for conflict between the shoppers or the shoppers and the employees presents more problems than a mandate like this is worth.

Everyone should wear a mask because it protects employees and they are most at risk being in same space for 8 hours. If customer can’t or won’t wear a mask they can still get curbside pick up outside store.

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Again, I just don't see how anybody can fault the stores in these situations. This isn't a "both sides are to blame" thing. This is about people acting like belligerent assholes and other folks having to deal with their temper tantrums. Not directed at you specifically but it boggles my mind people see this and start wondering what the store could have done better instead of putting the blame where it obviously belongs

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As a courtesy to all of my customers I would request masks and social distancing. Most mask-wearing people would be fine with that, and I know that because I see it every day. If that were not enough for you I would tell you I understand and let you know that I hoped you would come back to our store some day when circumstances are different and I hope you find a store that militantly enforces mask rules to your liking, with an iron fist if necessary.

i'm not faulting the store, it's 100% on the individual not wearing a mask
But big stores basically tell employees not to go after shoplifters, yet now they're carrying pepper spray for non-mask wearers ?

I didn't fault the store. I haven't even seen a video if it exists of what happened. The non-mask guy was a douche. The store had a strict policy that forced the employee to confront the guy like he was supposed to, and on occasion its going to create conflict. The store is perfectly within its rights. My only concern is that the conflict has more potential for danger than what you are trying to protect against. The asshole totally should have worn a mask. The employee should never be in a situation where he has to police his store with pepper spray to make mask zealots feel safer.

The business has every right to enforce a mask policy, but if they're this serious about it, then this guy should have never gotten in the door. Turn him away before he can make a scene within the confines of the store. Tell him to take a hike, or whatever.

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and again, if i'm an employee stocking shelves making 12$ an hour or whatever, now i'm being handed pepper spray and being told to enforce mask wearing ? If it were me i'd say go fuck yourself. Did this employee do that on their own or is every employee at the store carrying pepper spray that the company is providing ? It seems to open up an awful lot of liability

that actually seems to make sense...if Home Depot can afford to have some dope stand outside and count the number of people going in and out of the store , they can have someone at the entrance checking masks and refusing entrance if not

I don't disagree but again, the blame for that lies squarely on people acting like assholes, not the store nor the store employees.

Basically, there's no good way to deal with these assholes that would actually make people happy. Pepper spray seems good enough. A baseball bat would be even better. Maybe knocking a few of these dickwads in to a coma would make the rest of em understand they can't just terrorize grocery stores because they are overgrown toddlers.

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Disagree. That's a main event anywhere in the country!

Im guessing he decided to carry himself knowing that lunatics are out there doing stuff like this and making physical threats or purposely coughing on workers.

Agreed.

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It’s funny , I wonder the same thing about people who blame the police when someone resists arrest .

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the whole point I am making is that we are all being pitted against each other by confusing and conflicting information being passed along. People who 5 months ago would shop peacefully together are now at each others throats. Measures like these precipitate that. Fine, the store was right but at the end of the day who cares? We are fighting each other for what? We are being pitted against each other and cheering about it, taking sides. Its sad.

Agreed. ABT has a guy stationed at the front (usually the greeter position) who is taking temps and making sure people are wearing masks. Saw him turn away three idiots earlier in the week. No pepper spray needed.

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Yeah but you also wonder about that even when a guy is killed by the police without resisting arrest so it's harder to take seriously

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i know, maybe the lack of weed is causing FF to be more agitated than usual

DEFUND RETAIL CLERKS WITH PEPPER SPRAY!

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i'm sure the no-mask guy will be suing the store now

I agree with FF that a private establishment should be able to run things however they want to within reason.

Given that, said private establishments should not be forced to close something because the government's opinion is that closing those businesses keeps all citizens healthier.

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How much did you spend at Cooperstown?

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Enough for a post-round tall vodka drink.

Only to be harassed like ten minutes later for a cover charge to a show I had zero knowledge of and zero interest in.

After they wouldn't let up, I'm not going to lie,

it was no more mister nice guy.

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