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I'm not really Damo Suzuki. I joined early on, maybe 2002/2003. I went to quite a few pre-show board gatherings and one of the first Kot/DeRogatis live SO shows at Metro. I'm guessing I met 20-30 board members, but hell if I can remember most of them.

I did meet coolrock once - that dude was like Leonard Cohen in the swagger department.

Lots of People Posting (LoPP) was a separate board that was invite only and required one to disavow Wilco in order to gain membership. Lots of dipshits posturing.


The washing your hands of Wilco dynamic seems about right. That band was being worshipped back in that era, particularly by Kot. Based on all the hype I brought Yankee Hotel Foxtrot. It's a solid album, but I don't think it's the defining album of the era, and truth be told, I like AM better.


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Wilco first album.

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It took me a long time, relatively speaking, to come around on A.M., but "Shouldn't Be Ashamed" and "Should've Been in Love" are so good, along with the big hits at the front of the album that we all know. I don't love "Passenger Side" the way so many people do, though.

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot and Summerteeth are pretty much tied for me these days. I've actually probably listened to Summerteeth more times, it's just that good a running-on-a-hot-day album as long as you skip "My Darling." But everything since The Whole Love, well, I guess I'd be eligible to join LOPP now, because it's all bad.

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It took me a long time, relatively speaking, to come around on A.M., but "Shouldn't Be Ashamed" and "Should've Been in Love" are so good, along with the big hits at the front of the album that we all know. I don't love "Passenger Side" the way so many people do, though.

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot and Summerteeth are pretty much tied for me these days. I've actually probably listened to Summerteeth more times, it's just that good a running-on-a-hot-day album as long as you skip "My Darling." But everything since The Whole Love, well, I guess I'd be eligible to join LOPP now, because it's all bad.

I've really come around to liking Ode to Joy.

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I'm trying, I just can't get all the way there. Schmilco was so bad, though.

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https://www.wsj.com/articles/face-masks-really-do-matter-the-scientific-evidence-is-growing-11595083298

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Face masks are emerging as one of the most powerful weapons to fight the novel coronavirus, with growing evidence that facial coverings help prevent transmission—even if an infected wearer is in close contact with others.

Robert Redfield, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said he believes the pandemic could be brought under control over the next four to eight weeks if “we could get everybody to wear a mask right now.” His comments, made Tuesday with the Journal of the American Medical Association, followed an editorial he and others wrote there emphasizing “ample evidence” of asymptomatic spread and highlighting new studies showing how masks help reduce transmission.

The research Dr. Redfield cited included a newly published study suggesting that universal use of surgical masks helped reduce rates of confirmed Covid-19 infections among health-care workers at the Mass General Brigham health-care system in Massachusetts.

*Researchers found that, of the masks they studied, a stitched, double-layered cotton mask was most effective in preventing droplets from being emitted forward. Most of the escape was from the gap between the nose and mask. Droplets traveled further out of the cone mask and also escaped from the top edge.

His comments are the clearest message yet from the CDC, amid fierce debate over facial coverings, fueled initially by shifting messages from federal and global officials about their necessity and then by those espousing individual liberties.

Researchers from around the world have found wearing even a basic cloth face covering is more effective in reducing the spread of Covid-19 than wearing nothing at all. And many are now examining the possibility that masks might offer some personal protection from the virus, despite initial thinking that they mostly protect others.

Experts caution that widespread masking doesn’t eliminate the need to follow other recommendations, like frequent handwashing and social distancing.

In the absence of widespread availability of N95 masks—considered among the most effective but typically reserved for health-care workers—transmission can still be reduced with simple and affordable face coverings, the research shows. In a study published last month in the journal Physics of Fluids, researchers at Florida Atlantic University found that, of the readily accessible facial coverings they studied, a well-fitted homemade stitched mask comprising two layers of cotton quilting fabric was most effective for reducing the forward spread of droplets. The research was conducted using a mannequin’s head, an air compressor and a smoke generator that mechanically simulated a cough.

The study found that aerosol-size droplets expelled from the mannequin with the double-layered cotton mask traveled forward about 2.5 inches on average, and that most of the leakage escaped from gaps between the nose and face. Loosely fitting facial coverings, including a folded cotton handkerchief with ear loops, as well as a bandanna were less helpful, the study found. With those masks, droplets traveled on average about 1.25 and 3.5 feet, respectively. In contrast, the study found droplets traveled about 8 inches on average with an off-the-shelf cone-shaped mask.

Meanwhile, droplets from an uncovered cough traveled around 8 feet on average, though the study found that they could travel up to 12 feet—double the currently recommended social-distancing guideline of 6 feet. Leakage from a common disposable surgical mask wasn’t studied, though two of the study’s authors, Siddhartha Verma and Manhar Dhanak, said they are working on it.

“It was surprising in a good way to see that a homemade mask could do so well…that we don’t have to get a very fancy mask,” Dr. Verma said. “A cotton mask can be washed at home and dried. Reusability is becoming important as we go into this for the long haul.”

They are also in the process of putting a laboratory apparatus together to test how much protection various masks might offer to the person wearing them.

The amount of virus exposure might influence degree of sickness, according to a review of viral literature and Covid-19 epidemiology by Monica Gandhi, a professor of medicine at the University of California, San Francisco. She and her co-authors posit in the research, expected to be published this month in the Journal of General Internal Medicine, that masks provide an important barrier and could lead to a milder infection or even prevent one altogether. While cloth and surgical masks can widely vary, she believes some masks can likely filter out a majority of large viral droplets.

Amy Price, a senior research scientist at Stanford’s Anesthesia Informatics and Media Lab, maintains, in contrast, that the primary benefit of wearing a mask is to protect others and reduce Covid-19 transmission. She believes that, excluding N95 masks, multilayered masks with a slightly waterproof outer layer best minimize spread. She said rubbing the outer layer of the mask with a latex glove before donning it creates static electricity—which Stanford researchers believe can better prevent virus particles from passing from the mouth to outside of the mask.

Researchers are hopeful that more evidence about the personal protection masks could lead to more use in coming weeks. The CDC said the use of cloth face coverings while in public in the U.S. increased to 76.4% in mid-May, compared with 61.9% in April, according to internet surveys sent to roughly 500 adults each month.

Some Americans who have resisted wearing masks have cited health concerns. However, leading medical groups said in a joint statement Thursday, “Individuals with normal lungs, and even many individuals with underlying chronic lung disease, should be able to wear a non-N95 facial covering without affecting their oxygen or carbon-dioxide levels.” Exemptions should be at the discretion of a physician, the groups said.

Researchers say the benefits of widespread mask use were recently seen in a Missouri hair salon, where two stylists directly served 139 clients in May before testing positive for Covid-19. According to a recent report published by the CDC, both wore either a double-layered cotton or surgical mask, and nearly all clients who were interviewed reported wearing masks the entire time.

After contact tracing and two weeks of follow-up, no Covid-19 symptoms were identified among the 139 clients or their secondary contacts, the report found. Of the 67 who were willing to be tested, all were negative for Covid-19.

According to recent projections from the University of Washington’s Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation, the Covid-19 death toll in the U.S. would rise to more than 224,000 by Nov. 1. The number is based on expectations that Covid-19 mandates will continue to be eased until rising cases prompt shutdowns again in some places. Almost 140,000 people have died from Covid-19 in the country so far, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University.

Yet if 95% of the U.S. population began wearing masks, the expected death toll would drop by more than 40,000 cases to about 183,000 people, according to IHME.

Wearing a mask is “one of the most urgent things we can do to get our country under control,” said Melanie Ott, director of the Gladstone Institute of Virology. “We’re all waiting for the vaccine, we’re waiting for therapeutics, and we’re not there.”

“We have masks, we have social distancing, and we have testing,” she continued. “But there’s not much more in the toolbox here.”


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It's absolutely hilarious that anyone is still quoting the IHME, the very organization that propogated the wildly mistaken projections that lead to the lockdowns that are destroying civilization.

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Yeah, masks help, wish they had said that from the outset instead of treating the entire country like fat stupid babies and lying about as brazenly as the government has ever lied.

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It's absolutely hilarious that anyone is still quoting the IHME, the very organization that propogated the wildly mistaken projections that lead to the lockdowns that are destroying civilization.

I can provide the links to the studies included in the article if you’d like


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Yeah, masks help, wish they had said that from the outset instead of treating the entire country like fat stupid babies and lying about as brazenly as the government has ever lied.

Our actions since have confirmed we’re fat stupid babies.

Mom said “xyz” that one time so that’s what I’m going to do. I don’t care if she admitted she’s wrong or what else she said after that! I don’t wanna! :lol:


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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
It's absolutely hilarious that anyone is still quoting the IHME, the very organization that propogated the wildly mistaken projections that lead to the lockdowns that are destroying civilization.


And what if tommorow they report that increased sugar intake can lead to diabetes?
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
It's absolutely hilarious that anyone is still quoting the IHME, the very organization that propogated the wildly mistaken projections that lead to the lockdowns that are destroying civilization.

I can provide the links to the studies included in the article if you’d like


Don’t waste your time, Joe lives in the bizarro world with trump and science denying Republicans.

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Kirkwood wrote:
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It's absolutely hilarious that anyone is still quoting the IHME, the very organization that propogated the wildly mistaken projections that lead to the lockdowns that are destroying civilization.

I can provide the links to the studies included in the article if you’d like


Don’t waste your time, Joe lives in the bizarro world with trump and science denying Republicans.

The science seems to be settled. It’s become more of a “I still don’t care” dealio


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That study is manufacturing a cough..obviously you'd rather have a mask cover up a cough than not..but that's ridiculous to begin with, Even children cover their mouth to cough.

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Yeah, masks help, wish they had said that from the outset instead of treating the entire country like fat stupid babies and lying about as brazenly as the government has ever lied.

Our actions since have confirmed we’re fat stupid babies.

Mom said “xyz” that one time so that’s what I’m going to do. I don’t care if she admitted she’s wrong or what else she said after that! I don’t wanna! :lol:

What am I preventing from spreading by not wearing one ? I don’t have COVID . I have however had the flu and never wore one then either . Just like everyone else who posts on this site .

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Kirkwood wrote:
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Kirkwood wrote:
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It's absolutely hilarious that anyone is still quoting the IHME, the very organization that propogated the wildly mistaken projections that lead to the lockdowns that are destroying civilization.

I can provide the links to the studies included in the article if you’d like


Don’t waste your time, Joe lives in the bizarro world with trump and science denying Republicans.

The science seems to be settled. It’s become more of a “I still don’t care” dealio


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I don’t need to read the studies to know they are fraudulent.

One of two things is happening here: either they are lying to us now about the masks or they lied before about the masks. Either way they are full of shit and I don’t care what they have to say or whatever they get their whore media to print.

It’s all lies.


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Not gonna read this whole thing.

What’s the downside to wearing a mask in public?

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If you don’t see the unholy triumvirate of bureaucracy, media and academics working in their twisted little concert I don’t know what to tell you any more. It’s all bullshit, they change it every month to suit whatever their narrative is at the time.

For Kirkwood to believe it like this is maximum rube status. In sixty days they’ll say the masks do nothing and you shouldn’t wear them, and where will Kirkwood be? On CFMB quoting the WSJ about how masks are dumb and anyone who wears them is dumb.

There is no incentive at all for any of them to keep their shit straight anymore. They can lie and change their story on an hourly basis and the gullible retarded American public will just accept it. It’s so brazen I can’t belive it.


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Not gonna read this whole thing.

What’s the downside to wearing a mask in public?

It has a clinically proven (actual peer reviewed science not rushed “science” commissioned by government apparatchiks) effect on your self worth and ability to empathize and communicate with the people around you.


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Not gonna read this whole thing.

What’s the downside to wearing a mask in public?

It has a clinically proven (actual peer reviewed science not rushed “science” commissioned by government apparatchiks) effect on your self worth and ability to empathize and communicate with the people around you.

Omg.
Wearing a mask is like a bad break up.

THAT’s the feeling I get whenever I go to the grocery store.

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Not gonna read this whole thing.

What’s the downside to wearing a mask in public?


You can't be king of the idiot nitwit trumpets?

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Kirkwood wrote:
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Kirkwood wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
It's absolutely hilarious that anyone is still quoting the IHME, the very organization that propogated the wildly mistaken projections that lead to the lockdowns that are destroying civilization.

I can provide the links to the studies included in the article if you’d like


Don’t waste your time, Joe lives in the bizarro world with trump and science denying Republicans.

The science seems to be settled. It’s become more of a “I still don’t care” dealio



Science is never "settled". Anyone who uses such a phrase is not to be taken seriously.

And a "study" that uses no control group is not very scientific at all.

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spanky wrote:
Not gonna read this whole thing.

What’s the downside to wearing a mask in public?



I can't see your smile and thus you have no humanity. It's a lot easier for me to see you as an object or even an enemy than as a person. Society is breaking down. It really won't matter if no one has COVID.

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Yeah, masks help, wish they had said that from the outset instead of treating the entire country like fat stupid babies and lying about as brazenly as the government has ever lied.

Our actions since have confirmed we’re fat stupid babies.

Mom said “xyz” that one time so that’s what I’m going to do. I don’t care if she admitted she’s wrong or what else she said after that! I don’t wanna! :lol:

What am I preventing from spreading by not wearing one ? I don’t have COVID . I have however had the flu and never wore one then either . Just like everyone else who posts on this site .

Are you saying everyone here has had influenza?

Stomach flu is different, that everyone has probably had


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I guess I don't get why the mask thing is a Trump thing.

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I guess I don't get why the mask thing is a Trump thing.

Everything is a Trump thing now

He is pretty resistant to them though and I do think him embracing them would make a difference in more people wearing them....if you're into that sort of thing.


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Darkside wrote:
I guess I don't get why the mask thing is a Trump thing.

Everything is a Trump thing now

He is pretty resistant to them though and I do think him embracing them would make a difference in more people wearing them....if you're into that sort of thing.



He told Chris Wallace yesterday that he was very pro-mask.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Darkside wrote:
I guess I don't get why the mask thing is a Trump thing.

Everything is a Trump thing now

He is pretty resistant to them though and I do think him embracing them would make a difference in more people wearing them....if you're into that sort of thing.



He told Chris Wallace yesterday that he was very pro-mask.

Yea, he says that but hedges and says they cause problems too. He's becoming a good fence rider on certain things.


I don't agree with the statement that if everybody wear a mask everything disappears," Trump said. "Dr. Fauci said don't wear a mask, our Surgeon General, terrific guy, said don't wear a mask. Everybody was saying don't wear a mask. All of a sudden everybody's got to wear a mask, and as you know, masks cause problems too, with that being said, I'm a believer in masks. I think masks are good."


Now he can go back and say he was pro mask if it turns out they worked well and if it doesnt work or he can say I said they caused problems!

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Darkside wrote:
I guess I don't get why the mask thing is a Trump thing.

Everything is a Trump thing now

He is pretty resistant to them though and I do think him embracing them would make a difference in more people wearing them....if you're into that sort of thing.



He told Chris Wallace yesterday that he was very pro-mask.

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