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Do you honestly think the majority of these people are subscribing to a philosophy?

I think they are fiercely ideological, yes.


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I got to be honest, Mayor Lori and her supporters are probably going to be surprised how MANY people want a more aggressive approach to the gun violence in Chicago.

The problem is without any real improvement to the economic opportunities in these areas this federal aggression will only be a temporary solution.


They aren't here to fight gun violence.

They are here to scoop up the folks from the recent riots that they have identified through facial recognition software applied to faces found on surveillance videos

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The government does not need to abide an insurrection masquerading as "protest". There are tons of historical precedent for communists and anarchists just being taken out with no regard for their rights, yet true democratic backsliding has never really happened in America.



Am I the only one who appreciates the irony of those who call people who opposed the Feds coming into their states to enforce the rule of law back in the 1860s "traitors" getting so furious over Feds coming into their states to enforce the rule of law in 2020?


Nope agree. We all love local control and state rights when it suits us and vice versa. I even find myself wanting national rules when state based ones are probably more appropriate.

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They aren't here to fight gun violence.

They are here to scoop up the folks from the recent riots that they have identified through facial recognition software applied to faces found on surveillance videos
If you have a source on this, please site it because everything I've read says that they are coming here to do the same illegal things they are doing to the citizens of Portland.
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The Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) agents are set to assist other federal law enforcement and Chicago police in crime-fighting efforts, the Tribune reported citing unnamed sources.

“Some of the unrest that we saw, even in the last month or so, but particularly last night and in the week leading up to it in Portland, is just not acceptable when you look at communities not being safe and not upholding the rule of law,” said Meadows. “So, Attorney General Barr is weighing in on that with Secretary Wolf and you’ll see something rolled out this week as we start to go in and make sure that the communities, whether it’s Chicago or Portland or Milwaukee or some place across the heartland of the country, we need to make sure their communities are safe.”


https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/cri ... story.html

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I got to be honest, Mayor Lori and her supporters are probably going to be surprised how MANY people want a more aggressive approach to the gun violence in Chicago.

The problem is without any real improvement to the economic opportunities in these areas this federal aggression will only be a temporary solution.


I don't think I can agree with her that this is unconstitutional and definitely not "clearly" unconstitutional. It's no different than a branch of the justice department executing an arrest warrant.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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The government does not need to abide an insurrection masquerading as "protest". There are tons of historical precedent for communists and anarchists just being taken out with no regard for their rights, yet true democratic backsliding has never really happened in America.



Am I the only one who appreciates the irony of those who call people who opposed the Feds coming into their states to enforce the rule of law back in the 1860s "traitors" getting so furious over Feds coming into their states to enforce the rule of law in 2020?

Sure, it's cute and makes people feel good to point out other people's hypocrisy, but you're not a clown like America is. Nobody should be cheering this shit on. Enforcing the rule of law with secret police in unmarked cars? Get the fuck outta here with that apologist bullshit.

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I got to be honest, Mayor Lori and her supporters are probably going to be surprised how MANY people want a more aggressive approach to the gun violence in Chicago.

The problem is without any real improvement to the economic opportunities in these areas this federal aggression will only be a temporary solution.


They aren't here to fight gun violence.

They are here to scoop up the folks from the recent riots that they have identified through facial recognition software applied to faces found on surveillance videos

I’m seeing an emphasis on combatting gun violence in Kansas City under the name Operation Legend.

That is the name of this major metropolitan experiment.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Antarctica wrote:
The government does not need to abide an insurrection masquerading as "protest". There are tons of historical precedent for communists and anarchists just being taken out with no regard for their rights, yet true democratic backsliding has never really happened in America.



Am I the only one who appreciates the irony of those who call people who opposed the Feds coming into their states to enforce the rule of law back in the 1860s "traitors" getting so furious over Feds coming into their states to enforce the rule of law in 2020?


This toothless political stunt is exactly like the secession of 11 states.

I really shouldn't be surprised by anything I read here at this point.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Antarctica wrote:
The government does not need to abide an insurrection masquerading as "protest". There are tons of historical precedent for communists and anarchists just being taken out with no regard for their rights, yet true democratic backsliding has never really happened in America.



Am I the only one who appreciates the irony of those who call people who opposed the Feds coming into their states to enforce the rule of law back in the 1860s "traitors" getting so furious over Feds coming into their states to enforce the rule of law in 2020?

Sure, it's cute and makes people feel good to point out other people's hypocrisy, but you're not a clown like America is. Nobody should be cheering this shit on. Enforcing the rule of law with secret police in unmarked cars? Get the fuck outta here with that apologist bullshit.

You dont have a constitutional right to insurrection or wanton lawlessness.


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Marxists and anarchists love to hide behind the constitution, which of course they will tear up at their first opportunity.


This applies 100% to Trumpets. You all screamed about the constitution, institutions and norms until this president decided they were in his way.

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Antarctica wrote:
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Antarctica wrote:
The government does not need to abide an insurrection masquerading as "protest". There are tons of historical precedent for communists and anarchists just being taken out with no regard for their rights, yet true democratic backsliding has never really happened in America.



Am I the only one who appreciates the irony of those who call people who opposed the Feds coming into their states to enforce the rule of law back in the 1860s "traitors" getting so furious over Feds coming into their states to enforce the rule of law in 2020?

Sure, it's cute and makes people feel good to point out other people's hypocrisy, but you're not a clown like America is. Nobody should be cheering this shit on. Enforcing the rule of law with secret police in unmarked cars? Get the fuck outta here with that apologist bullshit.

You dont have a constitutional right to insurrection or wanton lawlessness.

Sure. That has nothing to do with my post though.

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Marxists and anarchists love to hide behind the constitution, which of course they will tear up at their first opportunity.


This applies 100% to Trumpets. You all screamed about the constitution, institutions and norms until this president decided they were in his way.

Well its dead. Whatever pretense that the US Constitution still applies is rapidly dwindling. The retard president doesn't care about it, or probably even understand it, but that's really the least of your worries. The state intelligence apparatus has been ignoring it for decades. Now you have millions of youths in the streets very unambiguously calling it the work of slaveowners and in need of abolition.

Ignoring and disposing of the second amendment has been a mainstream democrat policy point my entire life.

So on all sides I see people with nothing but contempt for the constitution, from Marxists like FF to the retard president. If were gonna do away with it we might as well use this opportunity to take out the trash and rid ourselves of these moron anarchists and communists.


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I got to be honest, Mayor Lori and her supporters are probably going to be surprised how MANY people want a more aggressive approach to the gun violence in Chicago.

The problem is without any real improvement to the economic opportunities in these areas this federal aggression will only be a temporary solution.


They aren't here to fight gun violence.

They are here to scoop up the folks from the recent riots that they have identified through facial recognition software applied to faces found on surveillance videos


That and a public get tough political act to shore up trump's base.

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Its a stupid move by Trump because a true crackdown will make improve the numbers. Trump was best served by Chicago racking up a thousand homicides and pointing to it (accurately) as the future awaiting the rest of the America.


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Antarctica wrote:
So on all sides I see people with nothing but contempt for the constitution

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As for the libs? I dont care what happens to them and I certainly dont care about their rights.


Step away from the mirror and solve your own problem

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So on all sides I see people with nothing but contempt for the constitution

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As for the libs? I dont care what happens to them and I certainly dont care about their rights.


Step away from the mirror and solve your own problem

Exactly my point. The libs dont like the constitution? Fine, then it shouldn't apply to them anymore. Same goes for their contempt for police, they shouldn't have access to the cops.


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Antarctica wrote:
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So on all sides I see people with nothing but contempt for the constitution

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As for the libs? I dont care what happens to them and I certainly dont care about their rights.


Step away from the mirror and solve your own problem

Exactly my point. The libs dont like the constitution? Fine, then it shouldn't apply to them anymore. Same goes for their contempt for police, they shouldn't have access to the cops.

Your point was that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about? Hard to disagree I guess.

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FF will do anything to protect and apologize for his precious Marxists.


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@FF's whack on America's nose :lol: :lol: :lol:

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FF will do anything to protect and apologize for his precious Marxists.

One of these days you'll learn what the word Marxist means, and then probably a long time after that moment you'll actually understand that you've always been a lot closer to that than I have been. You love authoritarians, you just like to quibble about the kind.

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Antarctica wrote:
The government does not need to abide an insurrection masquerading as "protest". There are tons of historical precedent for communists and anarchists just being taken out with no regard for their rights, yet true democratic backsliding has never really happened in America.



Am I the only one who appreciates the irony of those who call people who opposed the Feds coming into their states to enforce the rule of law back in the 1860s "traitors" getting so furious over Feds coming into their states to enforce the rule of law in 2020?

Sure, it's cute and makes people feel good to point out other people's hypocrisy, but you're not a clown like America is. Nobody should be cheering this shit on. Enforcing the rule of law with secret police in unmarked cars? Get the fuck outta here with that apologist bullshit.



Are you sure that's what's happening? "Secret police"? Sounds like another hysterical narrative to me.

I'm pretty sure the average citizen would prefer his/her city not be burned to the ground by a lawless mob. And most welcome federal intervention if local officials are going to "stand down" while that occurs.

Not to mention the hypocrisy of letting your city be destroyed and then demanding federal tax dollars.

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Are you sure that's what's happening? "Secret police"? Sounds like another hysterical narrative to me.


Then I suggest paying closer to attention to what is happening in Portland, or tell me a better description for jackbooted thugs(remember when you were worried about those? It was a few months ago) in unidentified gear snatching people off the streets.

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Its a stupid move by Trump because a true crackdown will make improve the numbers. Trump was best served by Chicago racking up a thousand homicides and pointing to it (accurately) as the future awaiting the rest of the America.



It's a no-win for Trump. Either he's a heartless fiend who doesn't care about America's cities because they don't vote for him or he's an authoritarian maniac using secret police to attack citizens.

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Its a stupid move by Trump because a true crackdown will make improve the numbers. Trump was best served by Chicago racking up a thousand homicides and pointing to it (accurately) as the future awaiting the rest of the America.



It's a no-win for Trump. Either he's a heartless fiend who doesn't care about America's cities because they don't vote for him or he's an authoritarian maniac using secret police to attack citizens.

Not a no-win situation. If you want to bring in the National Guard, fine, do it. They have identifying uniforms, including name plates. Quit with this bullshit of pretending secret police are anything other than just that. I know you're not that uninformed so I'd rather you not play the obtuse card.

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Its a stupid move by Trump because a true crackdown will make improve the numbers. Trump was best served by Chicago racking up a thousand homicides and pointing to it (accurately) as the future awaiting the rest of the America.



It's a no-win for Trump. Either he's a heartless fiend who doesn't care about America's cities because they don't vote for him or he's an authoritarian maniac using secret police to attack citizens.

And he'll whine either way. It's really all he has left.

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Are you sure that's what's happening? "Secret police"? Sounds like another hysterical narrative to me.


Then I suggest paying closer to attention to what is happening in Portland, or tell me a better description for jackbooted thugs(remember when you were worried about those? It was a few months ago) in unidentified gear snatching people off the streets.


I don't support jackbooted government thugs. I also don't support lawless mobs. I've never sympathized with police until the last two months. Watch how professional the cops are in that Miracle Boyd video. Most guys on this board would likely have knocked her teeth out a lot sooner.

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Are you sure that's what's happening? "Secret police"? Sounds like another hysterical narrative to me.


Then I suggest paying closer to attention to what is happening in Portland, or tell me a better description for jackbooted thugs(remember when you were worried about those? It was a few months ago) in unidentified gear snatching people off the streets.


I don't support jackbooted government thugs.

How do you expect me to take that sincerely considering your previous three posts here?

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Its a stupid move by Trump because a true crackdown will make improve the numbers. Trump was best served by Chicago racking up a thousand homicides and pointing to it (accurately) as the future awaiting the rest of the America.



It's a no-win for Trump. Either he's a heartless fiend who doesn't care about America's cities because they don't vote for him or he's an authoritarian maniac using secret police to attack citizens.

Not a no-win situation. If you want to bring in the National Guard, fine, do it. They have identifying uniforms, including name plates. Quit with this bullshit of pretending secret police are anything other than just that. I know you're not that uninformed so I'd rather you not play the obtuse card.


Dude, the media told us for three years that Trump was a Russian agent. Now that Steele has admiited he made it all up on behalf of Hillary Clinton, the same media is barely covering it. I'd be a little more skeptical before swallowing a narrative about "secret police".

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