When do you think the federal government has the authority to stop an insurrection?

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I've literally seen the video clips and read the first hand accounts of it. Again, lets not pretend actual shit that is happening isn't happening just because some media members and politicians you don't like lied about something wholly unrelated. Not everything we discuss here needs a whataboutism inserted into it, although I realize I'm fighting a losing battle on that front.

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When isn't a question. It's the How that is the question here. I thought my previous post mentioning the National Guard made that clear.

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Suddenly the media that has spent four years lying every day because they can't stand the guy who won the presidency has just discovered the truth? Again, I'd be a little more skeptical.

And if a mob was destroying your home or business and your local officials refused to do anything I think you'd welcome the "secret police".

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I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

The governors are refusing to use their National Guard.

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With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

You're not skeptical, you're just implying something that is true is not true because it makes your guy Trump look bad and shows your hypocrisy regarding jackbooted government thugs.

And if you think your last statement is true you clearly know nothing about me.

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You do realize that this might just be an all time WYC don't you? You have spent 4 months complaining about "Civil Liberties" violations because you can't enjoy a Steak Freshly Cut inside of your nearest Magnums, yet you are all in on the National Guard being called in?

What do you think they are coming to do? Pass out sandwiches at the nearest food depository?

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Then perhaps it is you, not I, who has heard fake news about what is happening there and the Governors have decided it doesn't meet the threshold of bringing in the troops.

None of this has anything to do with the original point that nobody should be supporting unidentified "agents" in unmarked vans snatching folks off the street without Miranda rights. This should not be controversial, but of course you found a way to disagree with it

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Whatever. Trump is "my guy."

And yeah, I'm sure if these shitheads were destroying what you worked your entire life to build while your local politicians cheered them on you'd just smile and shrug it off.

You're making a states' rights argument, just so you know.

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With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

A few 100 people trying to bring down a statue and gang violence are exactly like the secession of 11 states.

Secret federal police aren't bad when Trump sends them.

Trump is sending 150 secret police because he really cares about the citizens of Chicago.

Christopher Steele said he made up the entire dossier for Hillary.

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GO BEARS!!!

Yeah, not wanting to be forced to close my business and burning down yours are equivalent. Do a lot of people really think this way? I hope not.

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With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

I just don't think it's happening the way you claim it is.

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I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Trump is your guy man. I'm not a fucking idiot so need to treat me like one by pretending he's not. All you need to do is read your posts in this thread, or the thousands of others, to know that. I get why you were pushed to that side from the left but don't act like that's not the team you play for currently.

I wouldn't smile and shrug it off. I'd be doing everything I could to fight back. What I wouldn't do is encourage the use of agents in unmarked vans to "solve" my problem for me, at least until I need "solving" for somebody else.

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I get it man. It's a lot easier to just claim you're skeptical and say everything the other guy is saying is bullshit. It's what we do now.

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I think a lot of us have given JORR far too much credit. I'm definitely guilty of it. The only difference between Cheap Charlie's disinformation campaign and JORR's is that JORR attempts to package it in a way that some might find reasonable. Both must defend Trump at all costs.

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There is no bigger violation of civil liberties than calling in the military to police private citizens.

Businesses are closed by the Govt all of the time. It isn't inherently a Civil Liberties issue. Calling in the military to police private citizens is at its core, a Civil Liberties issue.

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Say four unrelated stupid things, and then add a bunch of lols. That's deep thinking critical analysis. There are going to be 100 murders in Chicago this month. There have been 50 straight days of rioting in Portland. Yet, the only thing people have to say is Trump bad like the past two months of unprecedented violence and lawlessness aren't dangerous and a prelude so something worse if some order is not restored.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

Personal anecdotes > Tinfoil sprinkled "news" sites.

Were you certain that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia to influence the election?

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Says a guy who insisted the president was a Russian agent for four years. And actually probably still believes that even though the entire story has collapsed

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Oh no! Say it ain't so, Joe . How did Russian Collusion find it's way into this discussion?

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Are you following the thread?

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I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

No. I don't remember commenting on that much outside of possibly making some piss tape jokes. I found all that shit extremely boring.

But this is how it's going to be now, huh? One thing a lot of the media reported wasn't true so I guess nothing is true. Iraq didn't have WMDs so that must mean Bill Cosby didn't rape anybody. Should make arguing on this message board a lot quicker in the future, just tell the other guy what he's saying is bullshit and boom, discussion over.

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They let you out of the treatment center and you are already drinking at 3PM?

I'm glad you are still lurking Lassie.

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Yes, as always, whenever someone criticizes Trump you bring up Hillary. We follow it pretty well.

Are you really just going to dismiss what should be the most important story in recent history as "one thing the media has reported that was untrue"? The media has been at war with the elected president since before he took office. I'm not going to apologize for refusing to just swallow everything they promote.

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I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Right! Keep fighting the good fight. In the end all that's left is racial division and a decade long depression.

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Russian collusion has nothing to do with this and its weak to make it your go to for everything. Even if someone concedes the point on Russian Collusion there are many other things to jam him on and you excuse him for all of it.

And I guarantee you if Hillary or Obama had found a way to have all of their associates skate on criminal charges you and the other band of Trump supporters would be screaming CORRUPTION from the rooftops right now. Instead you simply parrot whatever idiotic thought that Trump happens to tweet about on that particular day and keep it pushing.

Now we know why none of those clowns sung at the time. I always knew by the way. They knew Trump would take care of them in the end and he has.

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The entire Trump presidency has been informed/crippled by the malfeasance of the previous administration and their collaboration with elite media. I'm not sure why you don't want to acknowledge that obvious fact.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

And I'm not going to answer for a bullshit story I never bought into or helped propagate. I'm sorry your gotcha question didn't work.

And this still has nothing to do with this thread.

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