I have. Twice. I don’t get your point.

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Ok, then my point stands: Miranidizing doesn't require an explanation of charges or reason for the arrest.

I've been arrested several times, been read miranda rights maybe 3 times. It's nothing like TV shows where you are cuffed and read your rights.

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Sounds like you’re not a very good criminal

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My point stands as well. They still require being read before being detained and brought to a cell and locked up. You remain wrong here. Take the L

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I don't think so FF.. It's more about being questioned and using statements against you.

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And as far as when the Mirandizing happens, it need not be immediate, either. Feel free to check with an actual lawyer, but I think that one can go from arrest to trial to conviction without being read your rights if circumstances allow (like, the police don't need to question you about things that could incriminate you in order to get a conviction).

Oh, THAT'S your point, that Mirandizing needs to be immediate upon arrest? No, go smoke another blunt because you're wrong here.

Good thing you’re just a pretend lawyer. You’re out of your depth here. The pothead dig is the last refuge of a man who lost.

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If the feds are going by the NDAA provision then the people being apprehended can be categorized as domestic terrorists.

Do they also need to be mirandized?

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Then toke up, degenerate.

http://www.mirandawarning.org/arepolice ... 0be%20read.



It doesn't even affect the arrest, only the use of your answers under questioning against you at trial.

Honest question, what allows secret police to blindfold, transport and lock up a citizens walking the streets. I'm not a lawer or pretend lawer.

So your contention is that guys can pull you off the street, blindfold you, bring you to a cell and lock you up, all without saying anything to you about who they are or what you’re doing, and this is all cool and legal and not a problem?

Also, your explanation of Miranda rights doesn’t make sense in this context since they DID read him his Miranda rights after blindfolding him, tying him up, and throwing him in a cell without, as I said, any explanation.

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See, this is the problem arguing with idiots like you: Absolutely nothing was said about whether this tactic is acceptable in a modern society (and saying it is unacceptable isn't the same as saying it is strictly "illegal") or from a government that's supposed to be accountable to the people, but when you start to sense that maybe you're showing your ass on your silly declarations about How Miranda Rights Actually Work, you concoct this strawman out of whole cloth. In fact, I've said before on this board about this very topic that the federal government, or any government, shouldn't be engaging in these practices, even if they aren't illegal.



My explanation is that they don't have to read you your rights if they don't plan on questioning you and using your answers against you at trial.

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Nope. Sorry. You don't get to play the "Well Actually" card here when your only point in jumping in this thread was to defend this practice. You can keep playing the idiot card though because that's just funny coming from someone I routinely smack around here whenever I actually feel like engaging with your one trick act.

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To me, "transport and lock up citizens walking the streets" is the very essence of an arrest. What allows law enforcement to make arrests? The constitution, I guess.

As for blindfolds, I don't know. It's pretty dickish, but I suppose it isn't cruel and unusual on its face.

As for not announcing/identifying themselves, I have long been against the concept no-knocks, but the argument as I understand it is that the law requiring universal announcing/identifying before arrest would reduce effectiveness of law enforcement, and the need for effective law enforcement was balanced by judges over time with the rights of the people, and this is where we're currently at.

Well that sucks.

No, the point was to correct you about your obvious misconceptions about Miranda Rights.



I guess you can get so far behind in the race that you convince yourself you're actually leading. Keep blazing, dawg.

The constitution provides permission to arrest and jail without reason?

What do you mean by "without reason"? As in, "never given a reason"? No. As in "not given a reason as the arrest is happening"? Yes, I think so.

But I didn’t have any misconception and there was no correction. You didn’t know what we were discussing since you jumped in halfway through and misread a post of mine and dug in on being wrong about it.

But keep the pothead jokes flowing. They definitely make you sound like the more intelligent one.

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Apropos of nothing...I don't do much criminal work, usually just kids of clients who get busted doing something stupid, but they always say "they didn't read me my rights" like it's a get out of jail free card. They are always so disappointed when I tell them it doesn't matter.

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Oh I’m not disagreeing with that notion. JLN got hung up on the Miranda rights part of it but that was a tiny piece of my overall point.

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Police can arrest and hold you for up to 48 hours I believe. Maybe 72.

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There clearly was. You even said "that's not how miranda rights work" to cap it off.

Um I can tell you they can do it that way.

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Damn, that really sucks

No they dont

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This is for FF

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