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Jbi11s

Post subject: Re: Border Patrol Invades Portland

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:45 pm

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I think your point about MANY cops making business decisions is a great observation Nas.

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Post subject: Re: Border Patrol Invades Portland

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:50 pm

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Do you think it is politically tenable to basically occupy sections of Chicago with 24/7 police presence on the ground? In the era of defund police and racially defined policing?

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Post subject: Re: Border Patrol Invades Portland

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:51 pm

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Big Chicagoan wrote:

Do you think it is politically tenable to basically occupy sections of Chicago with 24/7 police presence on the ground? In the era of defund police and racially defined policing?

Politically tenable? 1/3rd of the country is loudly shouting "What are you waiting for?"

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Post subject: Re: Border Patrol Invades Portland

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:52 pm

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FavreFan wrote:

Big Chicagoan wrote:

Do you think it is politically tenable to basically occupy sections of Chicago with 24/7 police presence on the ground? In the era of defund police and racially defined policing?

Politically tenable? 1/3rd of the country is loudly shouting "What are you waiting for?"

The loudest voices of the country saying those things are Donald Trump and other white people.

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Nas

Post subject: Re: Border Patrol Invades Portland

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:10 pm

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Big Chicagoan wrote:

Do you think it is politically tenable to basically occupy sections of Chicago with 24/7 police presence on the ground? In the era of defund police and racially defined policing?

Other than educational and economic solutions, I don't see any other realistic solution to reducing gang violence in those neighborhoods. It's also been proven to work.

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Jbi11s

Post subject: Re: Border Patrol Invades Portland

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:14 pm

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Nas wrote:

Big Chicagoan wrote:

Do you think it is politically tenable to basically occupy sections of Chicago with 24/7 police presence on the ground? In the era of defund police and racially defined policing?

Other than educational and economic solutions, I don't see any other realistic solution to reducing gang violence in those neighborhoods. It's also been proven to work.

The answer will end being what it has been in the past... Gentrification.

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Post subject: Re: Border Patrol Invades Portland

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:18 pm

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Jbi11s wrote:

Nas wrote:

Big Chicagoan wrote:

Do you think it is politically tenable to basically occupy sections of Chicago with 24/7 police presence on the ground? In the era of defund police and racially defined policing?

Other than educational and economic solutions, I don't see any other realistic solution to reducing gang violence in those neighborhoods. It's also been proven to work.

The answer will end being what it has been in the past... Gentrification.

Not much left on the Northside to invest in so they're definitely coming south now.

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Post subject: Re: Border Patrol Invades Portland

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:19 pm

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FavreFan wrote:

Politically tenable? 1/3rd of the country is loudly shouting "What are you waiting for?"

One of the other 1/3rds is throwing water bottles and fireworks at them. I don't know if it would matter if their presence was there or not. Most people know the police can't really do anything now.

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Jbi11s

Post subject: Re: Border Patrol Invades Portland

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:21 pm

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Nas wrote:

Jbi11s wrote:

Nas wrote:

Big Chicagoan wrote:

Do you think it is politically tenable to basically occupy sections of Chicago with 24/7 police presence on the ground? In the era of defund police and racially defined policing?

Other than educational and economic solutions, I don't see any other realistic solution to reducing gang violence in those neighborhoods. It's also been proven to work.

The answer will end being what it has been in the past... Gentrification.

Not much left on the Northside to invest in so they're definitely coming south now.

Apparently, section 8 housing is being proposed in Geneva.

The current residents are not happy.

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Post subject: Re: Border Patrol Invades Portland

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:31 pm

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Jbi11s wrote:

Nas wrote:

Jbi11s wrote:

Nas wrote:

Big Chicagoan wrote:

Do you think it is politically tenable to basically occupy sections of Chicago with 24/7 police presence on the ground? In the era of defund police and racially defined policing?

Other than educational and economic solutions, I don't see any other realistic solution to reducing gang violence in those neighborhoods. It's also been proven to work.

The answer will end being what it has been in the past... Gentrification.

Not much left on the Northside to invest in so they're definitely coming south now.

Apparently, section 8 housing is being proposed in Geneva.

The current residents are not happy.

Tearing down projects because it was prime real estate created MANY problems.

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Drunk Squirrel

Post subject: Re: Border Patrol Invades Portland

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:32 pm

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Jbi11s wrote:

Apparently, section 8 housing is being proposed in Geneva.

The current residents are not happy.

Good to see things haven’t changed in 30 years in the home of thr.. Vikings?

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Jbi11s

Post subject: Re: Border Patrol Invades Portland

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:33 pm

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Nas wrote:

Jbi11s wrote:

Nas wrote:

Jbi11s wrote:

Nas wrote:

Big Chicagoan wrote:

Do you think it is politically tenable to basically occupy sections of Chicago with 24/7 police presence on the ground? In the era of defund police and racially defined policing?

Other than educational and economic solutions, I don't see any other realistic solution to reducing gang violence in those neighborhoods. It's also been proven to work.

The answer will end being what it has been in the past... Gentrification.

Not much left on the Northside to invest in so they're definitely coming south now.

Apparently, section 8 housing is being proposed in Geneva.

The current residents are not happy.

Tearing down projects because it was prime real estate created MANY problems.

DeKalb, IL says hi.

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Nas

Post subject: Re: Border Patrol Invades Portland

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:35 pm

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Jbi11s wrote:

Nas wrote:

Tearing down projects because it was prime real estate created MANY problems.

DeKalb, IL says hi.

Seeing barbecue grills on the front lawn is a great sign someone used to live in the projects.

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Chet Coppock's Fur Coat

Post subject: Re: Border Patrol Invades Portland

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 2:03 pm

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Nas wrote:

Regular Reader wrote:

Nas wrote:

If 150 cops can come to the 5 communities where pretty much every murder in Chicago happens and dramatically reduce the violence, I think we may need to fire leadership and every cop in Chicago.

I don't believe that anything positive will come from this stunt. I hope that I'm proven wrong.

I've said it before, but policing in this city leans toward the idiotic. Aimlessly riding around for seven hours just to be seen and stopping so often for trivial matters as opposed to showing a consistent presence in known areas of crowds and/or hotspots is just a waste of time & money.

Whenever a cop gets shot or murdered, they put boots on the ground and literally shut EVERYTHING down until the shooter(s) are arrested. I'm not telling any cop to run towards bullets, but I think a strong boot presence in Englewood on a Friday night would just about eliminate all violence.

Wouldn't it get characterized as profiling?

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Drunk Squirrel

Post subject: Re: Border Patrol Invades Portland

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 2:04 pm

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Nas wrote:

Jbi11s wrote:

Nas wrote:

Tearing down projects because it was prime real estate created MANY problems.

DeKalb, IL says hi.

Seeing barbecue grills on the front lawn is a great sign someone used to live in the projects.

Fuck.

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Nas

Post subject: Re: Border Patrol Invades Portland

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 2:09 pm

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Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:

Nas wrote:

Regular Reader wrote:

Nas wrote:

Wouldn't it get characterized as profiling?

No, they're just patrolling their area on foot.

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Terry's Peeps

Post subject: Re: Border Patrol Invades Portland

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 2:53 pm

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Nas wrote:

Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:

Nas wrote:

Regular Reader wrote:

Nas wrote:

Wouldn't it get characterized as profiling?

No, they're just patrolling their area on foot.

It absolutely would be.

If you had heavy police presence in the most violent neighborhoods in the city, the outcry would be quick and loud. 'Why are you trying to intimidate and harrass memmber of these neighborhoods?"

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Nas

Post subject: Re: Border Patrol Invades Portland

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 2:54 pm

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Terry's Peeps wrote:

Nas wrote:

Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:

Nas wrote:

Regular Reader wrote:

Nas wrote:

Wouldn't it get characterized as profiling?

No, they're just patrolling their area on foot.

It's there now. Except they're just driving around or parked on some major street. Besides, there isn't anything that wouldn't have someone complaining.

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Terry's Peeps

Post subject: Re: Border Patrol Invades Portland

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 2:59 pm

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True.

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Nardi

Post subject: Re: Border Patrol Invades Portland

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:41 pm

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Nas wrote:

Big Chicagoan wrote:

Do you think it is politically tenable to basically occupy sections of Chicago with 24/7 police presence on the ground? In the era of defund police and racially defined policing?

Other than educational and economic solutions, I don't see any other realistic solution to reducing gang violence in those neighborhoods. It's also been proven to work.

Educational is workable. Economic can't happen when guns are blazing. That what's called putting the cart before the horse.

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Post subject: Re: Border Patrol Invades Portland

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:45 pm

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Nardi wrote:

Nas wrote:

Big Chicagoan wrote:

Do you think it is politically tenable to basically occupy sections of Chicago with 24/7 police presence on the ground? In the era of defund police and racially defined policing?

Other than educational and economic solutions, I don't see any other realistic solution to reducing gang violence in those neighborhoods. It's also been proven to work.

Educational is workable. Economic can't happen when guns are blazing. That what's called putting the cart before the horse.

The economic or education doesn't happen in MANY poor communities where the guns aren't blazing. When that changes, I'll believe that gang violence is holding the Englewood's of America back.

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Post subject: Re: Border Patrol Invades Portland

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:50 pm

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Nas wrote:

Jbi11s wrote:

Nas wrote:

Jbi11s wrote:

Nas wrote:

Big Chicagoan wrote:

Do you think it is politically tenable to basically occupy sections of Chicago with 24/7 police presence on the ground? In the era of defund police and racially defined policing?

Other than educational and economic solutions, I don't see any other realistic solution to reducing gang violence in those neighborhoods. It's also been proven to work.

The answer will end being what it has been in the past... Gentrification.

Not much left on the Northside to invest in so they're definitely coming south now.

Apparently, section 8 housing is being proposed in Geneva.

The current residents are not happy.

Tearing down projects because it was prime real estate created MANY problems.

Building the projects created MANY problems.

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Post subject: Re: Border Patrol Invades Portland

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:53 pm

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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:

Building the projects created MANY problems.

Eventually. You're going to need more projects to solve our housing problems. MANY will be homeless in the next 90 days unless something changes.

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B Mac

Post subject: Re: Border Patrol Invades Portland

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:55 pm

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Did we get a link from JORR that the Portlandpolizei was happening under Obama or are we just letting that one slide?

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long time guy

Post subject: Re: Border Patrol Invades Portland

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:58 pm

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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:

Nas wrote:

Tearing down projects because it was prime real estate created MANY problems.

Building the projects created MANY problems.

And segregation is what created the projects.

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Rod

Post subject: Re: Border Patrol Invades Portland

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:00 pm

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B Mac wrote:

Did we get a link from JORR that the Portlandpolizei was happening under Obama or are we just letting that one slide?

Obama killed American citizens with drones. I'm not shocked you didn't know that. The legacy media was rarely critical of Obama.

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Post subject: Re: Border Patrol Invades Portland

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:17 pm

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long time guy wrote:

Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:

Nas wrote:

Tearing down projects because it was prime real estate created MANY problems.

Building the projects created MANY problems.

And segregation is what created the projects.

And funneled younger Section 8 residents into neighborhoods where the shit has escalated. Not that any of the cluckers here noted. Or ever largely will.

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B Mac

Post subject: Re: Border Patrol Invades Portland

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:21 pm

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

B Mac wrote:

Did we get a link from JORR that the Portlandpolizei was happening under Obama or are we just letting that one slide?

Obama killed American citizens with drones. I'm not shocked you didn't know that. The legacy media was rarely critical of Obama.

So no unmarked police grabbing people off streets during protests?

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Post subject: Re: Border Patrol Invades Portland

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:23 pm

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Regular Reader wrote:

long time guy wrote:

Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:

Nas wrote:

Tearing down projects because it was prime real estate created MANY problems.

Building the projects created MANY problems.

And segregation is what created the projects.

And funneled younger Section 8 residents into neighborhoods where the shit has escalated. Not that any of the cluckers here noted. Or ever largely will.

Reagan destroyed the projects. Never a panacea per se, but there was a time when they were much better. When he instituted market rate rent (30% net income) across the board all of the working families moved out rather than pay it.

The departure of working class families in the early to mid 80's was the death knell for it.

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Rod

Post subject: Re: Border Patrol Invades Portland

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:24 pm

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B Mac wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

B Mac wrote:

Did we get a link from JORR that the Portlandpolizei was happening under Obama or are we just letting that one slide?

Obama killed American citizens with drones. I'm not shocked you didn't know that. The legacy media was rarely critical of Obama.

So no unmarked police grabbing people off streets during protests?

Yeah, because holding a guy for an hour and having his mommy pick him up is way worse than killing people with drones or using the IRS to wreck them financially.

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