I firmly believe that every adult deserves the opportunity (not a right, a policy) to have 300-400 s.f. of housing to call their own, with a core set of neighborhood amenities. But the examples from the 50s-90s just did not work, and now there is a stigma around concepts such as Section 8. Including from me, I would't look at a neighborhood to buy a townhouse if they allowed units to be rented. (The woke say we're supposed to acknowldge our biases, right?)

But I don't want people who act like these Portland protesters around me. And I'm talking primarily about the white ones.

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Unmarked police is a media lie. As you would know if you cared.

As we also know, unmarked police have been picking up crims from the street since forever. So even if it were not a lie, it would still be kosher. And approved by law abiders.

You are crap. As wee all know.

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Well that’s 2 responses changing the conversation without providing back up for what you posted, so I’ll just take that as a “no”.

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Serious question: If there's nothing wrong with what happened in Portland then why are you going out of your way to completely minimize, to the point of outright lying in this case, what happened there?

You're giving away the game there.

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I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

Oh bullshit. My dad hired a shitload of men both 16-25 as well as 35-45 from the Robert Taylor Homes. All hell had broken loose way before Reagan. When you have an employee who is a wonderful human being and he has six kids and five end up in jail and the 6th is pushed down an elevator shaft at 3 years old, all in the 70s... When you have long-time employees begging you to hire their sons to try keep them out of gangs (which my dad did every time, even looking the other way on age a couple of times and bringing a kid in at 15).

There wasn't a hell of a lot left to destroy by the time Reagan got there. It's just easier for a liberal to blame him instead of the 40 years of Chicago Machine politicians and their failed "you are too lazy to take care of yourself so we'll do it and you'll vote for us" policies.

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"When people want their version of the truth, they go find it, no matter how baseless their beliefs." -- Ken Rosenthal

What was he held for- 3 hours? He hasn't been disappeared.

And I'm not talking about you here, but anyone who is outraged by this authoritarianism and was not bothered by some of the things done by the previous administration is just a partisan phony trafficking in fake outrage.

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I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Of course. Its like I said to you previously, there's a real clamoring for authoritarianism in this country. Everybody is just arguing over who deserves to have their finger on the trigger

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Listen to the river sing sweet songs
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No it's coming from someone that actually lived there and whose mom moved out because of it. Robert Taylor wasn't the only project in Chicago either.

The exodus of working class families occurred in the early to mid 80's. The liberal (tiresome to be honest) diversionary reference is just message board claptrap

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Chet, you know I like and respect you and your father's work, but the Machine extended into 83, and that was a couple of years after they really went to hell.

And Reagan accelerated that.

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Yep and not only did Working Class families move out it insured that no working class families would ever move back in.

No one would pay market rate in order to live next to low income/Section 8. You would however pay more 10%-15% maybe 20% in order to do it.

A similar scenario occurred as they attempted to rebuild with mixed developments as the projects were being torn down. No one would buy or rent at market rate in order to live next to Section 8 tenants and in the end all they had were a few market rate tenants surrounded by nothing but Section 8 tenants.

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OK I’ll bite. What about those outraged about the previous administration who don’t seem to give a shit about this stuff happening? Are they also trafficking in phony partisan outrage?

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Correct.

ABLA, Horner, Brooks, Ida B Wells, Stateway, Cabrini and Ickes were in serious trouble before Reagan was ever elected.

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Instituting a rent policy which insured that working class families would move out never to return sure didn't help the situation. If there was any hope that policy killed it.

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There's section 8 housing in DG. Never heard of any issues.

Working class families who could afford to leave were already doing so. Street gangs and the drug trade were already taking control in those projects.

Places like Dearborn and Wentworth were a different story.

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From an outsiders perspective ok. I don't think that you actually understood what the reality there was.

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They were always transient but when he instituted that policy it was a game changer. There was an exodus and Ickes, Dearborn, Wentworth, Stateway, and Wells are all spots I'm familiar with. I grew up in that area and I have been in all of them at one time or another.

Once he implemented the policy there were no longer working families. Crack cocaine didn't really come into play until 86-87. The working class begin leaving around 83 and were gone by the time the crack epidemic hit.

If I were to tell you that there was a time when Public Housing paid for itself (without federal funding) would that surprise you?

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Some of the stuff along 75th had "crime" when compared to other areas, but nothing substantial.

When I was growing up, Wilmette had a couple of buildings of Section 8 (or maybe its predecessor, we are talking 1979) housing, but it was all a tax dodge - divorced lawyers and stockbrokers would manage to put their ex-wife and HS age kids in there, the kids could walk to New Trier East, and the wives didn't work. So the entire building was divorcees and widows.

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Have those actions ceased occurring with this administration?

You said you're not surprised people didnt know because legacy media was easy on Obama, so maybe some of these people dont konw?

I'm not a fan of the tactic from federal agents but cops have been picking people up just to get them off the street for a night since copping began. Happens all the time with pros and drunks.

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People really forget history when it does not fit their view. Even really recent history.

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Dearborn, Wentworth and Lathrop were never controlled by street gangs like the other places were.

The high rises in Ickes, ABLA, Stateway and Horner were totally controlled by street gangs before 1980. Hell, the two cops killed at Cabrini by sniper fire were knocked off in 1970.

I was gone before crack took hold in the mid 80's. By then white guys were forbidden to do the type of work I had been doing there. Prior to then, they were only forbidden to work in Robert Taylor.

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They sold a lot of weed during the 70's but not really Powder cocaine because it was too expensive for the clientele that they were serving. I was really young then and not privy to as much but old enough to know what was going on. Just being around in some of my friends cribs at a really young age you'd see the stuff on trays with razor blades.

I wasn't born when the 2 cops in Cabrini were killed but I saw it on a documentary and actually showed it to one of my classes before.

My grandmother lived in the 911 building on Sedgwick. I used to be over there all of the time as a kid. I was there when Jane Byrne moved into one of the buildings on division back in 80.

The buildings were wild don't get me wrong. It just seemed that the crack epidemic and the exodus of the working class put the nail in the coffin. When I was a kid about 7-8 we'd always here that they were going to tear them down but no one believed them. By the mid 90's they really had no choice. They were as close to urban terrorism as this city has ever seen..

I remember being in the Ickes at one of my high school friend's crib getting a haircut. I'd just graduated from college and was subbing.

22nd and 24th streets were nvolved in a war over drug profits. One of the guys that I know claimed that he had a grenade and he was prepared to drop it on one of the buildings located on 22nd street. He said that he wasn't going to do it because it would kill a number of innocent kids.

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What about places like LeClaire Courts. They were low rise type places around 43rd and Pulaski and Cicero. I recall you didn't really want to go there but it was never that you couldn't go there.

Throwing up skyscrapers like Cabrini or Robert Taylor seemed to be short sighted at the start at best.

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I worked there in the summer of 77.

It was a nice area with a neighborhood feel to it. I was surprised when it was leveled.

I haven't been to Midway in five years or so, but last time I was the area was still empty. Like many blocks on South State still are.

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If i had a dollar for every time I heard.."Hey fatboy, you wanna buy some reefer?" in the late 70's and early 80's, I'd be retired right now.

In the mid 80's, the west end of Horner was the most terrifying place on earth to me. Especially the last two high rises on Lake and Leavitt. Got cold cocked with a golf club one time.

St Stephen's at Western and the Eisenhower was not the CHA, but I was one of the few who wasn't robbed in there. Rockwell wasn't bad, but I spent time in that neighborhood as a child so it felt somewhat familiar.

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No, that's not what's happening here mike. Dolphin's post is irrelevant to this discussion. We aren't talking about pros, drunks, or anyone doing anything criminal here.

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I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

You and I don't know what these people have done.

We can be concerned about the tactics, without adding statements we can not verify.

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Secret Service does this all the time when there is a Presidential visit to a city.

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