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One person who seems positively nonplussed about this situation is the NBA’s deputy commissioner and COO, Mark Tatum, who comes across in the report as a desiccated ruin of a human being. This is not to say that the authors describe him as such; they merely relay his own words, which are more than enough to paint a picture of his character. “When pressed,” Fainaru and Fainaru-Wada write, “Tatum declined to say whether human rights were a factor” in the closure of the Xinjiang academy. And when he was willing to speak about what the league has done in China, he did so in disgustingly euphemistic terms. “We do need to have more direct oversight and the ability to make staffing changes when appropriate,” he said. That’s corporate-speak for “maybe we should try to hire some Chinese coaches who won’t beat the living daylights out of children, but we’ll have to see if the commies allow us to.” Elsewhere in the story, one of the NBA’s ex-coaches said it better: “Imagine you have a kid who’s 13, 14 years old, and you’ve got a grown coach who is 40 years old hitting your kid. We’re part of that. The NBA is part of that.” But when the reporters presented Tatum with this information, he pleaded the same lack of expertise in matters of elementary morality that NBA players did last year when confronted with similar inconvenient truths:

"My job, our job is not to take a position on every single human rights violation, and I’m not an expert in every human rights situation or violation. I’ll tell you what the NBA stands for: The values of the NBA are about respect, are about inclusion, are about diversity. That is what we stand for."


The NBA cannot say whether the concentration camps holding Uyghur mulsims, which undoubtedly contain some former attendees of their basketball camps, are bad, and they explicitly do not feel the need to comment on the human rights abuses committed by the government from which they hope to glean billions of dollars. But it IS their job to put "Black Lives Matter" on their basketball courts.


Perhaps because the vast majority of NBA Lives Happen to be black?
You aren't upset that they aren't speaking out against Chinese atrocities. You can't care less about the plight of Muslims. They aren't worth the dirt under your Florsheim laced shoes. You have no affinity for them.
You are mad because they dare to speak out against what they consider to be American atrocities.

How dare those black guys speak out against things affecting the communities in which they once lived? Who in the hell do they think they are?
:lol: You have absolutely no basis to say any of this. The reality is that even you can no longer deny the raging hypocrisy of the Woke Bae League, and you're trying to attack the person pointing out said raging hypocrisy in the hopes that people will forget how insidious the league looks now.


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/07/the-nba-prostitutes-itself-for-the-politburo/

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One person who seems positively nonplussed about this situation is the NBA’s deputy commissioner and COO, Mark Tatum, who comes across in the report as a desiccated ruin of a human being. This is not to say that the authors describe him as such; they merely relay his own words, which are more than enough to paint a picture of his character. “When pressed,” Fainaru and Fainaru-Wada write, “Tatum declined to say whether human rights were a factor” in the closure of the Xinjiang academy. And when he was willing to speak about what the league has done in China, he did so in disgustingly euphemistic terms. “We do need to have more direct oversight and the ability to make staffing changes when appropriate,” he said. That’s corporate-speak for “maybe we should try to hire some Chinese coaches who won’t beat the living daylights out of children, but we’ll have to see if the commies allow us to.” Elsewhere in the story, one of the NBA’s ex-coaches said it better: “Imagine you have a kid who’s 13, 14 years old, and you’ve got a grown coach who is 40 years old hitting your kid. We’re part of that. The NBA is part of that.” But when the reporters presented Tatum with this information, he pleaded the same lack of expertise in matters of elementary morality that NBA players did last year when confronted with similar inconvenient truths:

"My job, our job is not to take a position on every single human rights violation, and I’m not an expert in every human rights situation or violation. I’ll tell you what the NBA stands for: The values of the NBA are about respect, are about inclusion, are about diversity. That is what we stand for."


The NBA cannot say whether the concentration camps holding Uyghur mulsims, which undoubtedly contain some former attendees of their basketball camps, are bad, and they explicitly do not feel the need to comment on the human rights abuses committed by the government from which they hope to glean billions of dollars. But it IS their job to put "Black Lives Matter" on their basketball courts.


Perhaps because the vast majority of NBA Lives Happen to be black?
You aren't upset that they aren't speaking out against Chinese atrocities. You can't care less about the plight of Muslims. They aren't worth the dirt under your Florsheim laced shoes. You have no affinity for them.
You are mad because they dare to speak out against what they consider to be American atrocities.

How dare those black guys speak out against things affecting the communities in which they once lived? Who in the hell do they think they are?
:lol: You have absolutely no basis to say any of this.

The basis that I have rests in the fact that you have never spoken out against Muslim atrocities before. Unless you can cite where you have the "basis" for it stands.

You want them to shut up a helluva more about police abuse than you want them to speak up about Chinese oppression against Muslims.

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You want them to shut up a helluva more about police abuse than you want them to speak up about Chinese oppression against Muslims.
When have I ever said anything like this? You're just making stuff up, now.


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You want them to shut up a helluva more about police abuse than you want them to speak up about Chinese oppression against Muslims.
When have I ever said anything like this? You're just making stuff up, now.


When has Muslim oppression anywhere resonated with you? When have you ever believed that they were "oppressed" besides this particular incident?

If you can establish that it has then the assertion is false. If you can't then it's TRUE. It's just that simple.

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I'd wager the Chinamen have killed more Muslims than Cops have killed blacks.


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I'd wager the Chinamen have killed more Muslims than Cops have killed blacks.


They have. They also have killed more Chinese than Muslims. When has that ever bothered this country?

As a country we take the exact same stance against China that the NBA has taken. Hands off yet the NBA is singled out for being in bed with them.

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I'd wager the Chinamen have killed more Muslims than Cops have killed blacks.


They have. They also have killed more Chinese than Muslims. When has that ever bothered this country?


Wait the Cops killed the Chinamen?


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I'd wager the Chinamen have killed more Muslims than Cops have killed blacks.


They have. They also have killed more Chinese than Muslims. When has that ever bothered this country?


Wait the Cops killed the Chinamen?


Chinese Govt has. We as a country have likely killed more Muslims than China has though. Care to discuss that?

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I'd wager the Chinamen have killed more Muslims than Cops have killed blacks.


They have. They also have killed more Chinese than Muslims. When has that ever bothered this country?


Wait the Cops killed the Chinamen?


Chinese Govt has. We as a country have likely killed more Muslims than China has though. Care to discuss that?


Obama did have a thing for whacking those Muslims, so you might be right.


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Caller Bob wrote:
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I'd wager the Chinamen have killed more Muslims than Cops have killed blacks.


They have. They also have killed more Chinese than Muslims. When has that ever bothered this country?


Wait the Cops killed the Chinamen?


Chinese Govt has. We as a country have likely killed more Muslims than China has though. Care to discuss that?


Obama did have a thing for whacking those Muslims, so you might be right.


So did Bush and so has Trump. All of their hands are dirty.

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You want them to shut up a helluva more about police abuse than you want them to speak up about Chinese oppression against Muslims.
When have I ever said anything like this? You're just making stuff up, now.


When has Muslim oppression anywhere resonated with you? When have you ever believed that they were "oppressed" besides this particular incident?

If you can establish that it has then the assertion is false. If you can't then it's TRUE. It's just that simple.
So let me get this straight, I have to have come out and said that Muslims are oppressed (feel free to look up my stance on how Muslim women are treated, by the way) in order to be seen as having NOT said that I want NBA players to "shut up about domestic issues" despite never saying anything like that?


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So let me get this straight, I have to have come out and said that Muslims are oppressed (feel free to look up my stance on how Muslim women are treated, by the way)

A criticism of the Muslim religion which proves my point.
Have you ever considered the Palestinians to be oppressed Litigation Notes?
How about drone strikes? Were they "oppressive" and if so cite where you expressed a concern for them?
How about Islamic discrimination which frequently takes place in this country?

Why are you demanding that the NBA do something that you yourself have never bothered to do?

Weren't you the same guy that only a few years ago openly defended Trump's bigoted attempts to ban Muslims from entering the country?

Now you want everyone to believe that you are some humanitarian who really cares about Chinese oppression of Muslims?

Isn't this just your way of telling them to "shut up and dribble"?

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Have you ever considered the Palestinians to be oppressed Litigation Notes?
How about drone strikes? Were they "oppressive" and if so cite where you expressed a concern for them?
Sure. viewtopic.php?f=24&t=108640&p=2806571#p2806571

There I am condemning drone strikes and the treatment of Palestinians.

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How about Islamic discrimination which frequently takes place in this country?
I have said that ISIS supporters in this country have free speech. I can't imagine supporting their equal civil rights any more.
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Why are you demanding that the NBA do something that you yourself have never bothered to do?
As I've shown I have already done what you claim I haven't. As for why I demand the NBA should speak out against the human rights abuses in China, I do so because (1) the NBA has made a spectacle of itself (both the league as a whole and individual players) as standing on the right side of history on issues (but now they can't get on the right side of literal, actual concentration camps?) and (2) the NBA is a domestic business with some level of antitrust exemption that is trying to do a tremendous amount of business in China, and I think they owe an explanation to the people who allow them the freedom to engage in anti-competitive business practices exactly why they are in business with communists who load up dissidents in boxcars bound for work camps that nobody escapes.
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Weren't you the same guy that only a few years ago openly defended Trump's bigoted attempts to ban Muslims from entering the country?
The courts have found no racial or ethnic animus in the decisions by Trump and have further decided that the restrictions were legal.

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Now you want everyone to believe that you are some humanitarian who really cares about Chinese oppression of Muslims?
No, I want the league with a program literally called "NBA Cares" to care about the human rights violations in the country that they're trying to make money in. I want the league with the superstar who said "I mean too much to society to shut up and dribble" to not shut up and dribble when playing an exhibition game for a government that is very close to operating death camps.

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Isn't this just your way of telling them to "shut up and dribble"?
You have yet to point out where I've said that NBA players should shut up. I don't even think those antisemites in their midst should shut up. I find it hilarious to watch idiots like you scramble to defend them.


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Have you ever considered the Palestinians to be oppressed Litigation Notes?
How about drone strikes? Were they "oppressive" and if so cite where you expressed a concern for them?
Sure. http://chicagofanatics.com/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p2806571

There I am condemning drone strikes and the treatment of Palestinians.

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How about Islamic discrimination which frequently takes place in this country?
I have said that ISIS supporters in this country have free speech. I can't imagine supporting their equal civil rights any more.
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Why are you demanding that the NBA do something that you yourself have never bothered to do?
As I've shown I have already done what you claim I haven't. As for why I demand the NBA should speak out against the human rights abuses in China, I do so because (1) the NBA has made a spectacle of itself (both the league as a whole and individual players) as standing on the right side of history on issues (but now they can't get on the right side of literal, actual concentration camps?) and (2) the NBA is a domestic business with some level of antitrust exemption that is trying to do a tremendous amount of business in China, and I think they owe an explanation to the people who allow them the freedom to engage in anti-competitive business practices exactly why they are in business with communists who load up dissidents in boxcars bound for work camps that nobody escapes.
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Weren't you the same guy that only a few years ago openly defended Trump's bigoted attempts to ban Muslims from entering the country?
The courts have found no racial or ethnic animus in the decisions by Trump and have further decided that the restrictions were legal.

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Now you want everyone to believe that you are some humanitarian who really cares about Chinese oppression of Muslims?
No, I want the league with a program literally called "NBA Cares" to care about the human rights violations in the country that they're trying to make money in.

If this were actually true you would hold others (like Trump) to similar standards you never have.

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Isn't this just your way of telling them to "shut up and dribble"?


:lol: This is hilarious. So you mean to tell me, ceteris paribus, that it is the job of players in the NBA to pontificate and lead seditious civil movements in the name of "civil rights" which is a misnomer in and of itself? :lol: :lol: :lol: Do you have access to NBA employement agreements? Have you read the terms and conditions governing the behavior and performance of each and every NBA player? How do you construe that the "job" of a NBA player is anything but dribbling and shooting? Am I missing the part where the NBA owners compel the players to issue grossly mistaken statements about the status of civil rights in this country? There is no such part. You know what can make the league look less foolish? Shut up and dribble. You would do well to take that advice too.

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When you have to issue statements to explain why you stand for the anthem . :roll:



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When you have to issue statements to explain why you stand for the anthem . :roll:



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Are you sure he "had" to issue a:statement? He didn't exactly "have" to kneel did he?

It was probably just his guilty conscience getting the best of him.

Personally all of this is much to do about nothing. There are so many other issues if people really want to talk about Civil Rights but they don't so they focus on symbolic gestures.

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I'd wager the Chinamen have killed more Muslims than Cops have killed blacks.


They have. They also have killed more Chinese than Muslims. When has that ever bothered this country?


Wait the Cops killed the Chinamen?


Chinese Govt has. We as a country have likely killed more Muslims than China has though. Care to discuss that?


Obama did have a thing for whacking those Muslims, so you might be right.


So did Bush and so has Trump. All of their hands are dirty.


I'd say that we haven't whacked enough terrorist Muslims. And the lame politicians on both sides have been pussyfooting around the so-called "Religion of PEACE" crap for much too long.

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When you have to issue statements to explain why you stand for the anthem . :roll:



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Are you sure he "had" to issue a:statement? He didn't exactly "have" to kneel did he?


Well, he didn't "have to" issue a statement and he didn't "have to" kneel in the same way that he doesn't "have to" be an NBA referee.

But the NBA has politicized itself so much that any deviation from the norm is going to be asked about at the least, and there is little doubt that he is looked down upon for his decision and speech.


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When you have to issue statements to explain why you stand for the anthem . :roll:



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Are you sure he "had" to issue a:statement? He didn't exactly "have" to kneel did he?


Well, he didn't "have to" issue a statement and he didn't "have to" kneel in the same way that he doesn't "have to" be an NBA referee.

But the NBA has politicized itself so much that any deviation from the norm is going to be asked about at the least, and there is little doubt that he is looked down upon for his decision and speech.


Don't project. He still didn't have to kneel or give a speech and for all anyone knows his speech may have been a publicity stunt

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I am a Bill Maher liberal. I know sometimes he can come off smug, but I used to be called far left 15 years ago. Some might consider me right wing now! How the world has changed

The NBA has gone crazy far left. When I watched the first game and saw the slogan on the back, I could not stop laughing. I kept thinking of the Office Episose where Michael Scott has everyone put a piece of paper on their head to define them with racial diversity.

its so dumb and we have gotten to a point where people have to defend standing for the anthem.

Then Vincent Goodwill who used to do Bulls, went after Issac(the black athlete that stood) .

Curious the ratings. I will watch and can get past the silliness. Time will tell what others do.


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I'm fairly educated who's in the NBA and I still need their regular names on their back.

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Forty days after Beijing imposed a national security law on Hong Kong, police in the Asian financial centre raided a newspaper headquarters Monday and arrested prominent advocates for democracy, adding to fears that the law is being used to fracture the city’s long-held freedoms.

Among the 10 people arrested were Agnes Chow, a young politician and activist, and media tycoon Jimmy Lai, the billionaire majority owner of media company Next Digital who has enraged Beijing with his open criticism of the Communist Party.

Some 200 officers were deployed for the operation, which included a raid of Apple Daily, the newspaper Mr. Lai founded.


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In the midst of the deepening rift between Beijing and Washington, the Hong Kong Liaison Office, which represents the mainland in the city, lashed out at people it accused of celebrating the imposition of sanctions on the city’s officials.

“These people are unabashedly arrogant and once again unintentionally revealed their own evil design – that they are the agents the U.S. deploys in Hong Kong, and they are the pawns of the U.S. in messing up Hong Kong,” the office wrote in a statement Monday.

“These people have completely betrayed and walked away from their country and nationality,” the statement continued. “These people are doomed to be indelibly nailed to the pillar of shame in our history.”

These are basically Nazis.

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Its not unlike us to abandon people when its politically expedient to abandon them.

But Hong Kong is unique in that was politically expedient for us to support them to stop China. Yet, against any sort of sane judgment, our president has totally left them to rot. Its unconscionable, not just from a moral perspective.


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We should have CCP bureaucrats cut promos on our politicians. "Donald Trump will be a flower plucked of its petals in a field of unimaginable sorrow."

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Its not unlike us to abandon people when its politically expedient to abandon them.

But Hong Kong is unique in that was politically expedient for us to support them to stop China. Yet, against any sort of sane judgment, our president has totally left them to rot. Its unconscionable, not just from a moral perspective.

What is it you want us to do with 35% of the economy in the shitter? What's unconscionable is allowing THAT to happen.


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Its not unlike us to abandon people when its politically expedient to abandon them.

But Hong Kong is unique in that was politically expedient for us to support them to stop China. Yet, against any sort of sane judgment, our president has totally left them to rot. Its unconscionable, not just from a moral perspective.

What is it you want us to do with 35% of the economy in the shitter? What's unconscionable is allowing THAT to happen.

War footing.


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Its not unlike us to abandon people when its politically expedient to abandon them.

But Hong Kong is unique in that was politically expedient for us to support them to stop China. Yet, against any sort of sane judgment, our president has totally left them to rot. Its unconscionable, not just from a moral perspective.

What is it you want us to do with 35% of the economy in the shitter? What's unconscionable is allowing THAT to happen.

War footing.

Trump might as well not run for President if that happens. Wake up, boy, you aren't living in reality.


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