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This isn't about shutting down an expressway.

Yes it is, because I'm telling you that's precisely what it's about: Shutting down a major thoroughfare and trapping unsuspecting motorists. If literally any other group wanted to do the exact same thing (not LSD for a permitted extended gathering that has notice posted and not slow travel due to traffic, which are themselves completely disingenuous comparisons, even for you) I would have an issue with it, and I would say they shouldn't be allowed to do it. I don't care if it is BLM, the NRA or the Federalist Society. No shutting down major expressways with limited exit possibilities and with little/no notice.


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This isn't about shutting down an expressway.

Yes it is, because I'm telling you that's precisely what it's about: Shutting down a major thoroughfare and trapping unsuspecting motorists. If literally any other group wanted to do the exact same thing (not LSD for a permitted extended gathering that has notice posted and not slow travel due to traffic, which are themselves completely disingenuous comparisons, even for you) I would have an issue with it, and I would say they shouldn't be allowed to do it. I don't care if it is BLM, the NRA or the Federalist Society. No shutting down major expressways with limited exit possibilities and with little/no notice.


There's been notice for a few weeks right?

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This isn't about shutting down an expressway.

Yes it is, because I'm telling you that's precisely what it's about: Shutting down a major thoroughfare and trapping unsuspecting motorists. If literally any other group wanted to do the exact same thing (not LSD for a permitted extended gathering that has notice posted and not slow travel due to traffic, which are themselves completely disingenuous comparisons, even for you) I would have an issue with it, and I would say they shouldn't be allowed to do it. I don't care if it is BLM, the NRA or the Federalist Society. No shutting down major expressways with limited exit possibilities and with little/no notice.


There's been notice for a few weeks right?
Notice posted by the city or "notice" as in "people talking about it"? If notice is posted then alright.


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This isn't about shutting down an expressway.

Yes it is, because I'm telling you that's precisely what it's about: Shutting down a major thoroughfare and trapping unsuspecting motorists. If literally any other group wanted to do the exact same thing (not LSD for a permitted extended gathering that has notice posted and not slow travel due to traffic, which are themselves completely disingenuous comparisons, even for you) I would have an issue with it, and I would say they shouldn't be allowed to do it. I don't care if it is BLM, the NRA or the Federalist Society. No shutting down major expressways with limited exit possibilities and with little/no notice.


That expressway has been "shutdown" for myriad of reasons over the past several years. Noon or whatever the time it is on a Saturday is extremely light traffic for anyone that knows the Dan Ryan. This is a minor inconvenience. Jump on and Jump off until you get past the protesters problem solved.

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This isn't about shutting down an expressway.

Yes it is, because I'm telling you that's precisely what it's about: Shutting down a major thoroughfare and trapping unsuspecting motorists. If literally any other group wanted to do the exact same thing (not LSD for a permitted extended gathering that has notice posted and not slow travel due to traffic, which are themselves completely disingenuous comparisons, even for you) I would have an issue with it, and I would say they shouldn't be allowed to do it. I don't care if it is BLM, the NRA or the Federalist Society. No shutting down major expressways with limited exit possibilities and with little/no notice.


There's been notice for a few weeks right?
Notice posted by the city or "notice" as in "people talking about it"? If notice is posted then alright.


Well it's been talked about for a few weeks.

I doubt they'll post a notice on the expressway, but I'm sure the news will discuss it Friday night-Saturday morning like they do for other closures.

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This fits into the same category (for me) as the kneeling during the anthem- if you’re looking to get attention and media coverage, then go for it. Free speech, free assembly, all good with me. The downside is you create a natural backlash and lose sympathy and support from people impacted and/or offended by the nature of the protest.

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
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This isn't about shutting down an expressway.

Yes it is, because I'm telling you that's precisely what it's about: Shutting down a major thoroughfare and trapping unsuspecting motorists. If literally any other group wanted to do the exact same thing (not LSD for a permitted extended gathering that has notice posted and not slow travel due to traffic, which are themselves completely disingenuous comparisons, even for you) I would have an issue with it, and I would say they shouldn't be allowed to do it. I don't care if it is BLM, the NRA or the Federalist Society. No shutting down major expressways with limited exit possibilities and with little/no notice.


There's been notice for a few weeks right?
Notice posted by the city or "notice" as in "people talking about it"? If notice is posted then alright.


Well it's been talked about for a few weeks.

I doubt they'll post a notice on the expressway, but I'm sure the news will discuss it Friday night-Saturday morning like they do for other closures.


The Kennedy usually posts information such as this whenever you approach Van Buren. They have all types of alerts at that location regarding traffic.

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This fits into the same category (for me) as the kneeling during the anthem- if you’re looking to get attention and media coverage, then go for it. Free speech, free assembly, all good with me. The downside is you create a natural backlash and lose sympathy and support from people impacted and/or offended by the nature of the protest.


Some people will always be opposed (probably most) regardless of the nature of it. As unpopular as the Vietnam War appears in hindsight, I was shocked to read how unpopular the actual people doing the protesting happened to be at the time. I think there was something like only 10% of the public who were in support of the protesters.

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Will Lori be there monitoring face mask compliance ?

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Kids cant go to school but the government is sanctioning a mass gathering on a sixteen lane expressway. Lmao, what a clown world.

Honestly, it may be time to just nuke Chicago.


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This fits into the same category (for me) as the kneeling during the anthem- if you’re looking to get attention and media coverage, then go for it. Free speech, free assembly, all good with me. The downside is you create a natural backlash and lose sympathy and support from people impacted and/or offended by the nature of the protest.

if someone gets upset by something like this, you never had their sympathy or support to begin with.

"I want them to have rights, but only if they follow my rules" isn't what the fight is for.

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"I want them to have rights, but only if they follow my rules" isn't what the fight is for.
Yes! People that I agree with politically shouldn't be subject to time, manner, and place restrictions!

Would you equally support the right of gun rights advocates to stage a similar protest in an effort to repeal Illinois's clearly unconstitutional FOID card program?


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Pro-nazi: Equal rights for all races is a political issue.

Protesters are working with the police. Police certainly don't seem to see restrictions with this protest. Which specific restrictions are you referring to?

I have never had an issue with protesting. If some rednecks want to yell about FOID cards, good on them. Have at it. You won't find any hypocrisy here...my views on stuff like this have been consistent over the years.

But good, red blooded, law abiding Americans have no issue with FOID cards.

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Dont mistake police apathy for police endorsement.


No the police were notified of it and it has already been cleared by the Illinois State Police. Doesn't matter if it is "endorsed" or not. It isn't an illegal protest.

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Its not an illegal protest, just a retarded protest.


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"I want them to have rights, but only if they follow my rules" isn't what the fight is for.
Yes! People that I agree with politically shouldn't be subject to time, manner, and place restrictions!

Would you equally support the right of gun rights advocates to stage a similar protest in an effort to repeal Illinois's clearly unconstitutional FOID card program?


I don't recall them getting a permit. I could be wrong.

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I mean, you could just ask black people and their allies to only fight for their rights at 3 AM on Wednesdays? Depending on what time your breakfast place of choice opens up, you may also want to ask them to clear the area before you arrive.

Is there anything else black people can do as to not inconvenience you too much?

Excuse me, what rights are they fighting for ?


Also, I was told that real black people don't care about BLM, and they don't even hear or talk about the group. But they need to be able to shut down an Expressway to inconvenience everyone to because of their right to assemble means more than the rights of others to travel on the Interstate without dealing with this bullshit.

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Do you think there's anybody left who they need to raise awareness for? Are they closing the Dan Ryan in case somebody came out of a nine month coma and needs to be told that BLM is back and crazier than ever?


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Any outrage over the leader of the FOP referring to this as an "act of terrorism"?
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Still, Chicago's Fraternal Order of Police President John Catanzara wrote a letter to U.S. Attorney John Lausch Wednesday blasting reported plans of the Saturday protest as an “act of terrorism.”

“We have also learned that there is a major protest scheduled for this weekend on the Dan Ryan Expressway which will lead to more civil unrest and violence,” he said. “The expressways should provide federal jurisdiction, as it will impede interstate commerce and to be quite frank, to block an interstate highway is an act of terrorism.”

Catanzara’s letter was also sent to President Donald Trump and Attorney General William Barr.

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"I want them to have rights, but only if they follow my rules" isn't what the fight is for.
Yes! People that I agree with politically shouldn't be subject to time, manner, and place restrictions!

Would you equally support the right of gun rights advocates to stage a similar protest in an effort to repeal Illinois's clearly unconstitutional FOID card program?


I don't recall them getting a permit. I could be wrong.

https://www.npr.org/2020/05/14/85591885 ... home-order
Comparing the grounds of a government building to an expressway trafficked by hundreds of thousands of people a day is certainly apples-to-apples! Good work!


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Do you think there's anybody left who they need to raise awareness for? Are they closing the Dan Ryan in case somebody came out of a nine month coma and needs to be told that BLM is back and crazier than ever?


Reader needed to see it because he thinks it's being made up by bigots on this board. It's not an issue anywhere else but here.

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Any outrage over the leader of the FOP referring to this as an "act of terrorism"?
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Still, Chicago's Fraternal Order of Police President John Catanzara wrote a letter to U.S. Attorney John Lausch Wednesday blasting reported plans of the Saturday protest as an “act of terrorism.”

“We have also learned that there is a major protest scheduled for this weekend on the Dan Ryan Expressway which will lead to more civil unrest and violence,” he said. “The expressways should provide federal jurisdiction, as it will impede interstate commerce and to be quite frank, to block an interstate highway is an act of terrorism.”

Catanzara’s letter was also sent to President Donald Trump and Attorney General William Barr.


This is a terrorist organization, which supported the Kristallnacht activities that happened downtown on Monday, and called for the release of all arrested. Shutting down a highway for more attention and to be a nuisance is also another form of terrorizing people.

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Any outrage over the leader of the FOP referring to this as an "act of terrorism"?
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Still, Chicago's Fraternal Order of Police President John Catanzara wrote a letter to U.S. Attorney John Lausch Wednesday blasting reported plans of the Saturday protest as an “act of terrorism.”

“We have also learned that there is a major protest scheduled for this weekend on the Dan Ryan Expressway which will lead to more civil unrest and violence,” he said. “The expressways should provide federal jurisdiction, as it will impede interstate commerce and to be quite frank, to block an interstate highway is an act of terrorism.”

Catanzara’s letter was also sent to President Donald Trump and Attorney General William Barr.

Calling it an act of terrorism is fucking stupid.


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It is a well known component of Marxism to hide behind the rights afforded in liberal democracies while actively working to subvert and get rid of those rights. Sometimes the states has just gotta kill a bunch of these people. The American government did it at the turn of the last century and we turned out fine.

I know a lot of people dont have the stomach for this type of thing, I know I sure dont, but there are nasty people in the state apparatus that do. Let em off the leash for five years and things will get way better.


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Any outrage over the leader of the FOP referring to this as an "act of terrorism"?
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Still, Chicago's Fraternal Order of Police President John Catanzara wrote a letter to U.S. Attorney John Lausch Wednesday blasting reported plans of the Saturday protest as an “act of terrorism.”

“We have also learned that there is a major protest scheduled for this weekend on the Dan Ryan Expressway which will lead to more civil unrest and violence,” he said. “The expressways should provide federal jurisdiction, as it will impede interstate commerce and to be quite frank, to block an interstate highway is an act of terrorism.”

Catanzara’s letter was also sent to President Donald Trump and Attorney General William Barr.


This is a terrorist organization, which supported the Kristallnacht activities that happened downtown yesterday, and called for the release of all arrested. Shutting down a highway for more attention and to be a nuisance is also another form of terrorizing people.


Dupe doesn't even know the difference between an "act of terrorism" and a "terrorist organization"

The police have already stated that they will respect their right to "peacefully protest" so you might want to table the level of misinformation that you are about to provide.

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Any outrage over the leader of the FOP referring to this as an "act of terrorism"?
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Still, Chicago's Fraternal Order of Police President John Catanzara wrote a letter to U.S. Attorney John Lausch Wednesday blasting reported plans of the Saturday protest as an “act of terrorism.”

“We have also learned that there is a major protest scheduled for this weekend on the Dan Ryan Expressway which will lead to more civil unrest and violence,” he said. “The expressways should provide federal jurisdiction, as it will impede interstate commerce and to be quite frank, to block an interstate highway is an act of terrorism.”

Catanzara’s letter was also sent to President Donald Trump and Attorney General William Barr.

Calling it an act of terrorism is fucking stupid.


Agreed. Its even worse that its a cop that is doing it. A politician can engage in hyperbole but its dangerous when it comes from cops and ironically it gives fuel to some of the things that BLM happens to be saying.

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
SpiralStairs wrote:
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"I want them to have rights, but only if they follow my rules" isn't what the fight is for.
Yes! People that I agree with politically shouldn't be subject to time, manner, and place restrictions!

Would you equally support the right of gun rights advocates to stage a similar protest in an effort to repeal Illinois's clearly unconstitutional FOID card program?


I don't recall them getting a permit. I could be wrong.

https://www.npr.org/2020/05/14/85591885 ... home-order
Comparing the grounds of a government building to an expressway trafficked by hundreds of thousands of people a day is certainly apples-to-apples! Good work!


Assuming facts not in evidence counselor!

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Why stop at the Ryan? Why not Midway or Ohare.

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