Our law allows for "time, place, manner" restrictions on this kind of expression, right? I bring that up not because I think this protest expressly warrants the invocation of the restrictive ability, but because I think it expresses an general, more informal understanding of our society at-large that yes, we all have those rights, but they are not absolute, and reasonable people can disagree about the specifics of the boundaries between free expression and permissible restriction, without forfeiting their stance on whether the right to free expression, as a whole, is a good thing.

I just don't see people arguing or thinking that shutting down a major expressway for a protest as a valid reason to accuse them of not standing for the ideals of this country, when we all can (and do) recognize that our rights to expression and assembly have some amorphous boundaries limiting their use.

There is a significant portion of both the left and the right that craves authoritarianism. I know everybody hates the "both sides" guy in any conversation but I don't think that's more prevalent on the right than left currently.

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but every protest seems to be met with a "why are the doing that". I'm guilty of it as well.

We should have a monthly absurdist "protest to protest nothing" just to keep in practice.

I love that thing in London where people literally get up on their soapbox and debate about anything and everything.

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Being authoritarian is more of a function of being an extremist. It comes from a lack of interest in compromise.

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Just got a work email about the month in protests....



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ADVISORY OF PLANNED PROTEST ACTIVITY IN DOWNTOWN CHICAGO FROM 14 TO 29 AUGUST
Nature of Incident: Civil Unrest
Tier Level: 1
Date: 14-29 August 2020
Impact to ADM: Limited/indirect impact likely
Description:
Multiple protests are scheduled to occur today and through the next week in the Loop and South Side of Chicago. Colleagues are advised to avoid the area of planned protests and to strictly heed the instructions of local officials. Large crowds and impaired traffic expected in the vicinity of planned protests and marches. The likelihood of violence is low but the possibility exists for protest activities to escalate into looting and rioting. It is highly advised that colleagues pay particular attention to protests/marches occurring during evening hours and during weekends as these protests/marches have previously shown the highest likelihood of escalation.
• Rename Columbus Drive -- Press conference to occur at 11:00 AM on Friday, August 14 at the former location of the Christopher Columbus Statue in Grant Park.
• BLM March & Rally: 75 Women of Color Murdered Memorial -- Protest to occur at 6:00 PM on Friday, August 14 at the Cook County State’s Attorney’s Office (69 West Washington Street).
• Justice For Latrell, Justice For Them All -- March, organized by Black Lives Matter Chicago, to occur at 5:00 PM on Friday, August 14 at the UChicago Hospital on 57th & Cottage Grove in the city’s Hyde Park neighborhood. The march is focused on showing solidarity with victims of police violence to include Latrell Allen, the individual who was shot and wounded during a police encounter at approx.. 2:30 PM on Sunday, August 9th. The shooting of Latrell Allen is believed to be the primary cause for the widespread looting and rioting occurring on August 10th in downtown Chicago.
• Protest Leading up to the Dan Ryan Shutdown -- Protest to occur at 6:00 PM on Friday, August 14 at State & Jackson at the Jackson CTA Red Line Station.
• Defund CPD & Abolish ICE -- Protest to occur at 4:00 PM on Saturday, August 15 at The Bean in Millennium Park.
• Protest to Shutdown Dan Ryan Expressway -- Shutdown of Dan Ryan Expressway to occur at 12:00 PM on Saturday, August 15. The shutdown will beginning on the Dan Ryan at Garfield and 55th.
• BLM March: Defund CPD & Save Our Kids -- March to occur at 6:00 PM on Friday, August 21 at the Roosevelt-Western Currency Exchange at 1143 S Western Ave.
• BLM March: Shutdown the Magnificent Mile -- March to occur at 5:00 PM on Saturday, August 29 beginning at the Wrigley Building at 400 Michigan Ave.

Justice for Latrell?

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Yea...i mean he opened fire on the cops for gods sake

George: (pauses for a few seconds) "Was that wrong? Should I have not done that? I tell you, I gotta plead ignorance on this thing because if anyone had said anything to me at all when I first started here that that sort of thing was frowned upon, you know, ‘cause I've worked in a lot of offices and I tell you people do that all the time."

So is this going to be run like a running event in Chicago (Marathon, Shamrock Shuffle)? The Friday event is packet pick up/last minute registrations/chance for swag and then the event is actually Saturday?

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Cause tried and true
I see the light in you
Oh, can you dig in my soul?
Could you smell my whole...
life?--Gener and Deaner

Organized by this woman:

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Her read hair looks terrible

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Ahhhhh so now our rights aren't absolute. God you fuckheads are so transparent.

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So they're marching on the expressway for 4 blocks ?
I'm just saying if you're going to all that trouble, i'd think you'd want to walk a bit longer than that

PJ got what he deserved.

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I don't recall arguing otherwise.

JLN I think you should reconsider Dolphin’s take on this. He’s not exactly an activist and has voiced pretty significant criticisms of the BLM movement. He’s right about this “inconvenience of a certain protest” take and I don’t think it’s really debatable and I think you’d find more common ground with him considering some of your prior positions.

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Like I said I don't deny that there are people who only care to discourage certain kinds of people protesting certain kinds of things, but that's the low-hanging fruit. But I think to treat ALL aversion to a protest which proposes to shut down a major expressway in one of the biggest cities on the planet as a form of racism is rather lazy.

But dolphin never treated it as racism. Imo that’s the the type opinion you seem like the type that would like exploring.

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He said "every protest seems to be met with 'why are they doing that'." I keyed on "they" and thought he was referring to BLM. If that wasn't his intent I apologize.

so did all of the looters last weekend downtown. They took what they deserved!
After all, those big corporations have insurance anyway.

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An announced protest multiple days ahead of time on a weekend is really not that big of a deal.

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I took it as he really just meant they. The right doesn’t protest as much but I don’t need to tell you about the left outrage when they dared to recently.

I feel like I’ve been saying this same point for years and it’s insane how many people don’t see this. Both the left and the right want authoritarianism in this country. Nobody wants to give anybody else civil liberties in the slightest if they disagree with them politically. Any “inconvenience” is treated as “you shouldn’t be allowed to do that and the hammer should be brought down on you for daring to”. You’re basically considered a radical if you think both folks should be able to protest freely, which is fucking crazy to me.

It’s incredibly depressing. I get that I was literally a kid growing up and therefore my memories aren’t 100% accurate but this sure doesn’t seem to be the climate I was raised on.

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Yeah but it might fuck up Juicy’s coffee trip in the morning so it’s not ok.

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"I support your right to protest as long as it doesn't interfere with my life in any way."

I'm guilty of it from time to time as well.

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Yes, there's hyper partisanship that leads people to condemn from some people what they readily accept from "their" side. That said, I don't think bemoaning a protest shutting down the Dan Ryan, or even thinking that protests shouldn't be shutting down a major expressway, is nearly the same as denying people's civil rights wholesale.

Of course there ARE people who would deny the civil rights of their political opponents (or just people who look different from them), and there are certainly those kinds of people who think and say that the proposed protest shouldn't shut down the Dan Ryan, but that's not cause to label ANYONE saying that a protest probably shouldn't shut down a huge expressway as seeking to completely deny people their civil rights. It's like the hinky logic that people use to label Trump voters racist: Most racists voted for Trump, therefore, anyone who admits to voting for Trump is a racist.

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Oh they're still holding on to the fiction that this guy didn't try to murder cops? Do they finally know his age, at least?

Yes

Idk

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