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Nothing brainlets love discussing more than their ignorant prophesies of economic doom. Everyone thinks they're Mike Burry despite the fact that they know absolutely nothing about how any of this works (hint: nobody really does).

But here's what you do when you see the dumbest of the dumb constantly spouting this shit: you buy. Always bet against the moron general public.

the moron general public IS buying. That's why the market is so overbought. Which is why you don't buy.

This run is ninety-nine percent Wall St. and the Feds. One percent Robinhood gamblers who just love STONKS memes.

So you believe that yet you buy in?

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Antarctica wrote:
Nothing brainlets love discussing more than their ignorant prophesies of economic doom. Everyone thinks they're Mike Burry despite the fact that they know absolutely nothing about how any of this works (hint: nobody really does).

But here's what you do when you see the dumbest of the dumb constantly spouting this shit: you buy. Always bet against the moron general public.


I am not sure if this is partially directed at me. But a few points-

1) I have advocated to everyone to stay invested. I never wavered as you can see in this thread in February and March. If you’re not in the market, then dollar cost average in,
2) The Fed has put a floor on stocks because of easy money policies. I think that is your point in a subsequent post,
3) The Fed has also set interest rates indirectly by its vast open market operations (Q.E. in Street speak).
4) Congress has backstopped the economy with its vast fiscal stimulus programs.

So there we have it. This isn’t traditional economics or capitalism. It is an unconventional use of the reserve currency that isn’t backed by anything more than the figurative printing press and our ongoing faith in the traditional system.

When the faith breaks, the system collapses.

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Antarctica wrote:
Nothing brainlets love discussing more than their ignorant prophesies of economic doom. Everyone thinks they're Mike Burry despite the fact that they know absolutely nothing about how any of this works (hint: nobody really does).

But here's what you do when you see the dumbest of the dumb constantly spouting this shit: you buy. Always bet against the moron general public.


I am not sure if this is partially directed at me. But a few points-

1) I have advocated to everyone to stay invested. I never wavered as you can see in this thread in February and March. If you’re not in the market, then dollar cost average in,
2) The Fed has put a floor on stocks because of easy money policies. I think that is your point in a subsequent post,
3) The Fed has also set interest rates indirectly by its vast open market operations (Q.E. in Street speak).
4) Congress has backstopped the economy with its vast fiscal stimulus programs.

So there we have it. This isn’t traditional economics or capitalism. It is an unconventional use of the reserve currency that isn’t backed by anything more than the figurative printing press and our ongoing faith in the traditional system.

When the faith breaks, the system collapses.


Why ever let the market go down then? Seems like people don't like when that happens.

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Why ever let the market go down then? Seems like people don't like when that happens.


It feels like we are past the point where the government can even let it go down substantially. So much is pinned to the market (especially pension funds), that they will do whatever it takes, including direct stock purchases (we're pretty much there already with corporate bond buying).

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Why ever let the market go down then? Seems like people don't like when that happens.


It feels like we are past the point where the government can even let it go down substantially. So much is pinned to the market (especially pension funds), that they will do whatever it takes, including direct stock purchases (we're pretty much there already with corporate bond buying).

Hence, When the faith breaks, the system collapses.


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Why ever let the market go down then? Seems like people don't like when that happens.


It feels like we are past the point where the government can even let it go down substantially. So much is pinned to the market (especially pension funds), that they will do whatever it takes, including direct stock purchases (we're pretty much there already with corporate bond buying).

Hence, When the faith breaks, the system collapses.


Long as line go up I believe in system.

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The federal reserve has been blowing bubbles since 2008. It's all a house of cards


The money supply has increased by 35% this year thanks to the Fed. In any normal economic reaction, that would cause massive inflation. For whatever reason, governments have been pumping money into the system without inflation spiking.

It feels like the current paradigm of Central Bank debt monetization won’t end well. But as for the market, it is low interest rates and excess money pushing it this way.


If you've been to the grocery store, you've seen inflation is rising, especially, in the meat prices. And this will be exacerbated by the calamity in Iowa losing 1/3 of its corn crop and low crop yields elsewhere because of the unreported drought that is happening in many parts of the country. But, of course, the inflation number the government touts excludes "volatile food and energy", which makes up a large portion of what most people spend their disposable income on. The price of Gold and Bitcoin are both reflecting the higher inflation. Even gas prices are up to $2.40 in the suburbs now, though I suspect demand is still way down.

You're right that this is not going to end well with the national debt now at $27 trillion and rising at a brisk pace. The U.S. government is broke. It had record tax receipts last year before COVID hit, and still had record deficit spending. There is no more King Dollar.


The debt will be be hugely reduced when the economy takes off in a few months. Meat prices are up because of Covid affecting the meat processing plants. The only thing that can drastically affect the economy and cast it into a recession/depression if Biden winning and fucking up the economy like he will.


The debt will be reduced? Not a chance because of the crooks in Washington. The U.S. government has had nothing but deficit spending since Nixon took the country off the gold standard. Trump considers the Treasury under Mnunchin his own personal piggy bank. He even had his name signed to the stimulus checks by the Treasury. Whenever anyone ever asks him about the increasing deficit, his response always is, "We gotta have a country." In other words, there can be no country without massive deficit spending. And there's even less political will to reign in spending because of COVID and it's economic impact.

The only chance the deficit is ever reduced before the dollar is devalued massively is if a true conservative is elected President with a conservative Congress behind him. Trump couldn't be farther from the idea of fiscal conservatism.


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Dignified Rube wrote:
The Hawk wrote:
Dignified Rube wrote:
denisdman wrote:
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The federal reserve has been blowing bubbles since 2008. It's all a house of cards


The money supply has increased by 35% this year thanks to the Fed. In any normal economic reaction, that would cause massive inflation. For whatever reason, governments have been pumping money into the system without inflation spiking.

It feels like the current paradigm of Central Bank debt monetization won’t end well. But as for the market, it is low interest rates and excess money pushing it this way.


If you've been to the grocery store, you've seen inflation is rising, especially, in the meat prices. And this will be exacerbated by the calamity in Iowa losing 1/3 of its corn crop and low crop yields elsewhere because of the unreported drought that is happening in many parts of the country. But, of course, the inflation number the government touts excludes "volatile food and energy", which makes up a large portion of what most people spend their disposable income on. The price of Gold and Bitcoin are both reflecting the higher inflation. Even gas prices are up to $2.40 in the suburbs now, though I suspect demand is still way down.

You're right that this is not going to end well with the national debt now at $27 trillion and rising at a brisk pace. The U.S. government is broke. It had record tax receipts last year before COVID hit, and still had record deficit spending. There is no more King Dollar.


The debt will be be hugely reduced when the economy takes off in a few months. Meat prices are up because of Covid affecting the meat processing plants. The only thing that can drastically affect the economy and cast it into a recession/depression if Biden winning and fucking up the economy like he will.


The debt will be reduced? Not a chance because of the crooks in Washington. The U.S. government has had nothing but deficit spending since Nixon took the country off the gold standard. Trump considers the Treasury under Mnunchin his own personal piggy bank. He even has his name signed to the stimulus checks. Whenever anyone ever asks him about the increasing deficit, his response always is, "We gotta have a country." In other words, there can be no country without massive deficit spending. And there's even less political will to reign in spending because of COVID and it's economic impact.

The only chance the deficit is ever reduced before the dollar is devalued massively is a true conservative is elected President with a conservative Congress behind him. Trump couldn't be farther from the idea of fiscal conservatism.



It will be reduced. It would already have started if not for the China pandemic. Revenue is going to flood into the US Treasury as the economy surges like it has never before.

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With 30%+ unemployment. Good luck.


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The Hawk:

It will be reduced. It would already have started if not for the China pandemic. Revenue is going to flood into the US Treasury as the economy surges like it has never before.[/quote]

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With 30%+ unemployment. Good luck.[/quote]

The Hawk:

Its under 10 % right now. All that we are waiting for is to these stupid Dem. governors to open their state businesses back up. Out here in LA it is ridiculous what these assholes are doing with the restaurant businesses. I'm sure this shit is the same in Chicago and elsewhere.

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This is just blatant manipulation today. They pump the futures overnight to +200 on the DOW and the cash index goes nowhere all day.

The market has some heavy overhead resistance here. It bumping up against previous support but now resistance.


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Dignified Rube wrote:
This is just blatant manipulation today. They pump the futures overnight to +200 on the DOW and the cash index goes nowhere all day.

The market has some heavy overhead resistance here. It bumping up against previous support but now resistance.


Hilarious. Dow up 350 or so. 28,350 or something. All I know is that I am making some very excellent bank and will continue to do it while the so-called "manipulator" and "conspiracy" folks opine.

Truth is that the market is being invested in with confidence about the Trump economy including his actions to combat the China virus.How much money did you make today, BTW?

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It’s not driven by any fundamentals. The movements are being pumped by very low interest rates and excessive money in the system. It’s a game we have to play and can only hope the day of reckoning never comes. The global financial system is a train wreck waiting to happen.

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It’s not driven by any fundamentals. The movements are being pumped by very low interest rates and excessive money in the system. It’s a game we have to play and can only hope the day of reckoning never comes. The global financial system is a train wreck waiting to happen.


Sure it is driven by fundamentals. Interest rates certainly have a positive effect but companies are investing in the US companies big time and so are the small investors and 401K fund managers.

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Exxon being dumped by the Dow in favor of Salesforce. Sad!

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Mortgage Delinquencies soar to decade high.

From ZeroHedge.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/mortg ... ecade-high


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Mortgage Delinquencies soar to decade high.

From ZeroHedge.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/mortg ... ecade-high

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The Hawk wrote:
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It’s not driven by any fundamentals. The movements are being pumped by very low interest rates and excessive money in the system. It’s a game we have to play and can only hope the day of reckoning never comes. The global financial system is a train wreck waiting to happen.


Sure it is driven by fundamentals.

It's not, Denis is correct.


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Mortgage Delinquencies soar to decade high.

From ZeroHedge.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/mortg ... ecade-high


These delinquencies have been increasing WITH the $600 extra per week on top of normal unemployment? They will only accelerate as those payments have now been eliminated/slashed.

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Mortgage Delinquencies soar to decade high.

From ZeroHedge.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/mortg ... ecade-high


Why does Tyler Durden give a fuck about mortgage delinquencies? He should be blowing up credit card companies.

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Dignified Rube wrote:
Mortgage Delinquencies soar to decade high.

From ZeroHedge.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/mortg ... ecade-high


Why does Tyler Durden give a fuck about mortgage delinquencies? He should be blowing up credit card companies.

No no no, don't do that. That's part of my plan when I see bread is about to go to $20 a loaf. Can't trust gold. Can't trust bitcoin. Can only trust guns, ammo, and tangible goods.


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Dow down 800. Ouch!

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Dow down 800. Ouch!

I've been warning you.


Ever hear of profit taking? Also Hiden Biden got out of his hole, went to Wisconsin, saw his shadow shit his diaper, and then slept his way back to his hole. :drunken: :drunken:

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Dow down 800. Ouch!

I've been warning you.


You here that? Hear ye! Hear ye! The 'Rube has put us on notice.


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It'll gain it back by this time next week.


Yeah. Eventually Harpy Nancy and Crying Chuck will drag their skinny asses back to Washington and work out another stimulus package with the Reps. Their little snit fit didn't work and Trump will win once again. After all, Harpy Nancy will have to show off her BLOWN OUT HAIR doesn't she? :eye: :eye:

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Dow down 800. Ouch!

I've been warning you.


It was up almost 500 yesterday and was a c hair from hitting its all time highs.

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Dems still loooking for armageddon.

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Tech stocks, and the overall market, hadn’t really had a bad day since June, so this is a healthy breather. It was never just going to be a straight line up. But the long-term structural support for technology has not changed and support for equities has not either,” said Esty Dwek, head of global macro strategy for Natixis Investment Managers, in emailed comments.

Investors have been calling for a rotation away from the leading tech stocks to the broader market in the hopes that it would strengthen the stock-market rally’s foundations.

“There is a sort of benign way that this excess can be corrected through a process of rotation,” said Liz Ann Sonders, chief investment strategist at Schwab, in an interview. She said positive economic data could lay the path for a more sustainable rally.

Thursday’s round of economic data continued to point to a steady recovery
, though the prospects for the labor market were unclear ahead of Friday’s official jobs report.

New applications for unemployment benefits in the latest weekly period ending in Aug. 29 fell 130,000 to a seasonally adjusted 881,000 or lower than the consensus estimate of 940,000 but this was after the Labor Department said last week it tweaked its seasonal adjustment method amid the COVID-19 pandemic. The unadjusted or real number of initial jobless claims rose slightly to 833,353 from 825,761, indicating there was barely any change last week in how many people are applying for benefits.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/dow-l ... 2020-09-03

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Dems still loooking for armageddon.

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Tech stocks, and the overall market, hadn’t really had a bad day since June, so this is a healthy breather. It was never just going to be a straight line up. But the long-term structural support for technology has not changed and support for equities has not either,” said Esty Dwek, head of global macro strategy for Natixis Investment Managers, in emailed comments.

Investors have been calling for a rotation away from the leading tech stocks to the broader market in the hopes that it would strengthen the stock-market rally’s foundations.

“There is a sort of benign way that this excess can be corrected through a process of rotation,” said Liz Ann Sonders, chief investment strategist at Schwab, in an interview. She said positive economic data could lay the path for a more sustainable rally.

Thursday’s round of economic data continued to point to a steady recovery
, though the prospects for the labor market were unclear ahead of Friday’s official jobs report.

New applications for unemployment benefits in the latest weekly period ending in Aug. 29 fell 130,000 to a seasonally adjusted 881,000 or lower than the consensus estimate of 940,000 but this was after the Labor Department said last week it tweaked its seasonal adjustment method amid the COVID-19 pandemic. The unadjusted or real number of initial jobless claims rose slightly to 833,353 from 825,761, indicating there was barely any change last week in how many people are applying for benefits.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/dow-l ... 2020-09-03



Yeah. Can you imagine what the number of unemployed would be if the stupid governors and mayors in Dem run states would simply open up restaurants and bars and theaters? I'm telling you, there is a huge wave of good manufacturing jobs that are just waiting for Trump to bring in businesses to manufacture drugs in this country and not China. This is why China is going nuts right now. And this unemployment "problem" is manufactured one(pun intended) by idiots like Cuomo, WHeeler, Littletwat, and Garcetti doing all that they can to prevent Trump from winning.

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See also this:

The Tech Stock Selloff Is Accelerating. It Was Time for a Pullback.

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