Can someone translate this into English?

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He stuck out lots of guys and only let one guy get on base.

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Okay, so shitty, meaningless advanced metrics.

Damn I'm glad I stopped listening to Bernstein.

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The deceiving thing is that 99 makes it seem as though it was just short of perfection, when in fact the highest score is 114 and Kerry Wood had a 105 in his 20k game. Of course, from the "normal" baseball perspective, it was very close to a perfect game.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_scor ... %20allowed.

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No, it's a pretty good system for judging simliar games and separating the Edwin Jackson 9 walk no hitters from what happened last night

Also it's a fairly simple and sensible equation

Game Score is a metric devised by Bill James as a rough overall gauge of a pitcher's performance in a baseball game. It is designed such that scores tend to range from 0–100, with an average performance being around 50 points.

To determine a starting pitcher's game score:

Start with 50 points.
Add one point for each out recorded, so three points for every complete inning pitched.
Add two points for each inning completed after the fourth.
Add one point for each strikeout.
Subtract two points for each hit allowed.
Subtract four points for each earned run allowed.
Subtract two points for each unearned run allowed.
Subtract one point for each walk.

I guess you are not a smart baseball fan unless you use metrics to tell you that you watched a great performance. What would it take to get a 100? Is it even possible?

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No it's a flawed metric that rewards inefficiency.

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Yeah, I just don't care. I mean, I literally don't give a shit. I know I watched a great game. Guess what. I know when I watched Humber's perfect game, it wasn't pretty, but it was still a great game. When I watched Buehrle's perfect game, it was a great game. When I watched his no hitter; great game. When I saw Wood's 20k game. Great game.

I don't need Bill James to tell me I saw a great game.

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100 is possible. How do you not give extra points for outs and innings after the 9th? Wilbur Woods 11 inning performance is a hell of a lot more impressive to me. I dont know if any pitcher today could do that.

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See above...it values strikeouts more than other outs, so Buerhle's perfect game looks relatively poor on the Game Score.

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I think it's more a matter of being allowed to do it. Kyle Hendricks' first game of the year was a compete game shutout where he probably could have gone another couple of innings based on pitch count.

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That's one of the great baseball debates...would you rather have a 1-pitch weak grounder to the pitcher, or an 8-pitch strikeout?

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I disagree with strikeouts being a positive. That means that they threw more pitches.

I am more impressed by a "Maddux" (sub 100 pitch complete game shutout) because the pticher didn't overly exert himself.

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Easy answer.




Agreed

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13Ks in a 101 pitch no hitter is awfully fucking impressive as well.

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The counter argument would be that the "efficient" pitcher allowed the results to be determined by luck (the ball going to a fielder who then makes the play) vs controlling the outcome himself.

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I understand a strikeout being the ideal outcome for a pitcher when looking at an at bat proactively. You would prefer not to have a ball in play because it provides POSSIBLE bad outcomes. Retroactively, when we do know the ACTUAL outcome of a ball in play, the strikeout is not superior to any other out and is, in fact, far inferior to any one pitch at bat.

Also, why would a hit allowed be a bigger detriment to the perceived quality of a start than a walk? I could understand if you placed a -2 on an XBH, but a single, in my mind is actually a superior outcome. A walk is an indication of more macro problems with the pitcher in that game.

and, of course, a run is far more than double the damage of a hit

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True, as is Frank's point about 13k in 101 pitches.

I look at it as it's occasionally worth giving up a meaningless 2 out double if it means going deeper into the game and keeping shitty relievers on the bench. I want my good pitchers lasting through the 7th, and my back end starters giving me 5 with 1-2 ER.

It is also why I hate DFS scoring, where a strikeout is the equal of an earned run, and worth three times as much as a lazy groundout.

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strikeouts are valued over ball in play because a ball in play can be a productive out for the batter. In a no hitter, it doesn't really matter, but in a normal game where you probably allow more base runners, it does matter.

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Jon Lieber had a complete game shutout where he threw like 72 pitches. It was a great game to watch even without the strikeouts.

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I'd be surprised if that is the last no-hitter thrown against the Pirates this year. What an awful bunch.

It's pretty comical that Zach Stewart has a place on that list.

We've had this argument before, agree to disagree.

I am of the belief that there is a difference between 27 balls hit to the warning track but caught and 27 strikeouts as it relates to pitcher performance.

- 2 for too many onions though

But that's looking at it from a team standpoint. Game score is focused on the pitcher's performance.

The ball DeWayne Wise caught in Buehrle's perferct game is inferior to any strikeout when you look at only the pitcher's performance.


With that said, I think Giolito pitched pretty well last night

Pitch 1: Strike 3 by the batter Jon Lester.
Pitch 2: Hard hit ball by Mike Trout that is caught with a nice play by the outfielder.

Which pitcher performed better?

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I agree with that for the most part. What might change my mind is the advent of the juiced ball and the resulting exit velocity of the batted ball. this is a totally different ball game than it was even five years ago. Perhaps strike-outs will be more important going forward. The change also in pitching may actually be the advent of starters only being asked to throw 4-5 innings at most because of the greater stress on their arms and shoulders.

By the way, I really HATE the changes in the ball.

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