Depends on the situation.

Im glad you seemingly agree that outs are not all equal and need context.

I know Lester historically is a pretty poor hitter, but he must be really bad to strike out on one pitch.

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Has anyone ever seen a pitcher give up a rocket and thought "great pitch" or "great job by the pitcher there"?

I definitely have. I believe it's called "tipping your cap".

The home run that Abreu hit on Sunday afternoon was not really a bad pitch at all by Darvish.

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That's the flaw with GameScore though. It removes more context by making certain results more valuable than others that go against how the game is played.

The goal of the pitcher on every batter faced is to not let them get on base or hit a home run. There are multiple ways to accomplish it. It would be like saying that dunking the ball is a higher percentage play so it's more valuable than a person making a layup.

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2005.

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I have never said gamescore is perfect but it sure beats the hell out of " a no hitter is a no hitter and that's the end of the story"

Not all no hitters are equal and it's possible to pitch better giving up 1 or 2 hits.

No it isn't. Once the outcome of a bat has been recorded and it results in an out, the method of the outs are all equal. There is no longer the possibility that Wise drops it or it goes over the wall. There is only one outcome and that is that he catches it. There is no reason to consider what might have been. There is only what is.

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And there we go, back to the Wood 20K game where he could have given up two more hits and another run, and still had the highest game score ever. That's why game score is flawed at least a little bit.

No hitters can be different. Clearly Buehrle facing the minimum against the Rangers and the 13 strikeouts last night is better than a no hitter where nine walks are issued.

That said, "A perfect game is a perfect game and that is the end of the story."

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Of course not all no hitters are equal. No one is saying they are. The number of walks alone are enough to differentiate them. If you have 7 base runners in a no hitter then there could be better pitched games where weren't no hitters.

It's still undeniable that a perfect game is a better result than any game where you give up 1 or 2 hits.

It's like saying that a basketball player who scored 30 points on 15 dunks had a better game than a person who scored 30 points on 15 layups.

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But it is, gamescore (poorly named) is attempting to isolate the pitcher's performance.

Again, strikingout a hitter is a better pitching performance than giving up a ball that is caught over the fence. Anyone arguing that is insane.

Im not even big fan of Kerry Wood tbh, not about that

And, no all perfect game are not equal either.

You're agreeing with me.

And of course, Ive never denied the result of a perfect game is the best you can do from a results standpoint.

But you can look at perfect games and decide one pitcher was even better. Results can be equal while performance is not.

And I also never said GameScore is flawless. All stats are flawed one way or another.

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4 runs should be enough today for Keuchel

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WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOU GOING GRANDAL

What a stupid stupid fucking fuckhead

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I can remember quite a few Vlad Guerrero hits that were fantastic pitches that he picked out of the dirt or hit at his eyeballs. Not necessarily great job by the pitcher but definitely great pitch and holy shit how did he not just hit it but get as much bat on it as he did.

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Yeah that was bad.

Edwin with some dumbass base running that worked out earlier too.

I don’t think they’re taking the Pirates all that seriously.

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Timmy with the fuckin glove!!

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I think Buerhle's non-perfect no-hitter was pretty cool. Walks Sosa and then picks him off. Faced the minimum. As close to two perfect games as you can get.

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Haven't tracked the discussion here all that much but I'm wondering what folks think about this game vs the Buehrle perfect game in 2009. I assume MB's was superior because it came against a qualitatively better opponent; if I recall correctly TB went to the WS that year or the year prior and Buehrle just blanked them.

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I don’t have an opinion on which was better. I don’t see why it matters

I see why RPB thinks the way he does about it but I do think no hitters and perfect games are all pretty equal as a fan. Throw a 20k game in there too. But it’s impossible to really top a no hitter or perfect game. I don’t think I would’ve enjoyed the game more last night if Giolito threw 16 K’s instead of 13. It was already basically maximum enjoyment/satisfaction.

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Not really an argument. The metrics say that Giolitos was way better.

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Good call, FF. Still a few outs to cover today, but looking good so far.

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I guess Eloy's ankle is fine. 3 run oppo bomb

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Awfully bloody crime scene

We got this. Exactly what you’d want in this two gamer.

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Jimenez is a hell of a hitter.