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I'm generally the first guy who says that your past shouldn't matter when discussing a present day situation. I'm also a guy who is generally disgusted by people digging up the criminal records of black shooting victims in an attempt to justify their deaths. This guy is an exception to those rules. We should ignore this one as quickly as possible. He was/is scum.


Probably true but still irrelevant. We still don't know what happened with this guy outside of the seven shots. But whether you're a saint or a serial killer in your free time, none of that is ever material in situations where the whole basis for law enforcement engaging you is some chance cause. If, say, the next Ted Bundy was pulled over for speeding, and then for whatever reason died at the hands of the cops - perhaps they shot him, perhaps they kneeled his neck, whatever, and again this is about speeding and perhaps being subsequently difficult to deal with - it still won't matter later on if it's discovered that the guy was a serial killer. It's undoubtedly a good thing he's no longer on earth but that doesn't mean his death in that specific situation was justified.

All that being said, STILL the wrong pony to hitch the cart to. You have to think this forward.


I don't know what you mean here, and if you're referring to Blake then you can note I'm not talking about him directly. I am talking about retrofitting justifications to rationalize or legitimize certain actions post-fact, rationalizations that didn't obtain at the time whatever encounter took place. I cannot claim I killed a serial killer when at the time of the killing I had no idea who he was or what he's done; what I really did was kill someone who resisted arrest or detainment or whatever during the course of me pulling him over for speeding. There's a separate accountability process for that in which the serial killer part plays no role. Again, does that hold true for Blake? I don't know.

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Looks like the Brewers are doing the same thing, fuck this piece of shit world.


Nothing wrong with them protesting a game. Would you rather they loot the streets and rob the stores?

This protest hurts no one and sends a powerful message. Well done NBA for showing there are other ways to protest then violence and disrespecting the flag.

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I'm generally the first guy who says that your past shouldn't matter when discussing a present day situation. I'm also a guy who is generally disgusted by people digging up the criminal records of black shooting victims in an attempt to justify their deaths. This guy is an exception to those rules. We should ignore this one as quickly as possible. He was/is scum.


Probably true but still irrelevant. We still don't know what happened with this guy outside of the seven shots. But whether you're a saint or a serial killer in your free time, none of that is ever material in situations where the whole basis for law enforcement engaging you is some chance cause. If, say, the next Ted Bundy was pulled over for speeding, and then for whatever reason died at the hands of the cops - perhaps they shot him, perhaps they kneeled his neck, whatever, and again this is about speeding and perhaps being subsequently difficult to deal with - it still won't matter later on if it's discovered that the guy was a serial killer. It's undoubtedly a good thing he's no longer on earth but that doesn't mean his death in that specific situation was justified.

All that being said, STILL the wrong pony to hitch the cart to. You have to think this forward.


I don't know what you mean here, and if you're referring to Blake then you can note I'm not talking about him directly. I am talking about retrofitting justifications to rationalize or legitimize certain actions post-fact, rationalizations that didn't obtain at the time whatever encounter took place. I cannot claim I killed a serial killer when at the time of the killing I had no idea who he was or what he's done; what I really did was kill someone who resisted arrest or detainment or whatever during the course of me pulling him over for speeding. There's a separate accountability process for that in which the serial killer part plays no role. Again, does that hold true for Blake? I don't know.
They knew Blake was wanted on warrants when they arrived.

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Looks like the Brewers are doing the same thing, fuck this piece of shit world.


Nothing wrong with them protesting a game. Would you rather they loot the streets and rob the stores?

This protest hurts no one and sends a powerful message. Well done NBA for showing there are other ways to protest then violence and disrespecting the flag.


If the NBA players and other athletes really wanted to be brave, they'd condemn the looting and rioting in the middle of making other points about police shootings. Maybe some of them have, I don't know, but that'd be braver than kneeling or taking a day off from bouncing a ball.

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Looks like the Brewers are doing the same thing, fuck this piece of shit world.


Nothing wrong with them protesting a game. Would you rather they loot the streets and rob the stores?

This protest hurts no one and sends a powerful message. Well done NBA for showing there are other ways to protest then violence and disrespecting the flag.

It doesn't do shit, it will be forgotten fast.

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Looks like the Brewers are doing the same thing, fuck this piece of shit world.


Nothing wrong with them protesting a game. Would you rather they loot the streets and rob the stores?

This protest hurts no one and sends a powerful message. Well done NBA for showing there are other ways to protest then violence and disrespecting the flag.

It doesn't do shit, it will be forgotten fast.

Don’t think it will be forgotten fast. It probably won’t change anything though.

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Looks like the Brewers are doing the same thing, fuck this piece of shit world.


Nothing wrong with them protesting a game. Would you rather they loot the streets and rob the stores?

This protest hurts no one and sends a powerful message. Well done NBA for showing there are other ways to protest then violence and disrespecting the flag.


If the NBA players and other athletes really wanted to be brave, they'd condemn the looting and rioting in the middle of making other points about police shootings. Maybe some of them have, I don't know, but that'd be braver than kneeling or taking a day off from bouncing a ball.

That functional idiot Lebron certainly isnt going to make that distinction, even when he's wearing his " Im smart" LeBron glasses.

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The bubble sucks. Limited conjugal visits leads to horrendous decisions. Although I would have respected a forfeit.

TBF to the Bucks it sounds like they wanted a forfeit and then of course the rest of the NBA was gonna follow their lead.


I can picture the conversation:

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Brewers game is officially off. Wouldn't be surprised if it's all over everywhere by tomorrow.

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If only Lebron and other prominent athletes would call off games, take a knee, and fire off frustrated tweets every time another innocent kid is gunned down in the inner cities by gang violence -and demand the killers be turned in and brought to justice.


But nah, let’s not use that power for anything really useful

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I think its gonna be a lot more than just Kenosha tonight.

Well theyre going to go where the NG isnt at some point.

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Looks like the Brewers are doing the same thing, fuck this piece of shit world.


Nothing wrong with them protesting a game. Would you rather they loot the streets and rob the stores?

This protest hurts no one and sends a powerful message. Well done NBA for showing there are other ways to protest then violence and disrespecting the flag.

They tried looting and robbing stores. Paul George attempted throwing a brick through a window......and missed

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Fuck the Brewers too!!!


Hopefully MLB makes them forfeit. The Cubs may need the help.

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I'm generally the first guy who says that your past shouldn't matter when discussing a present day situation. I'm also a guy who is generally disgusted by people digging up the criminal records of black shooting victims in an attempt to justify their deaths. This guy is an exception to those rules. We should ignore this one as quickly as possible. He was/is scum.


Probably true but still irrelevant. We still don't know what happened with this guy outside of the seven shots. But whether you're a saint or a serial killer in your free time, none of that is ever material in situations where the whole basis for law enforcement engaging you is some chance cause. If, say, the next Ted Bundy was pulled over for speeding, and then for whatever reason died at the hands of the cops - perhaps they shot him, perhaps they kneeled his neck, whatever, and again this is about speeding and perhaps being subsequently difficult to deal with - it still won't matter later on if it's discovered that the guy was a serial killer. It's undoubtedly a good thing he's no longer on earth but that doesn't mean his death in that specific situation was justified.

All that being said, STILL the wrong pony to hitch the cart to. You have to think this forward.


I don't know what you mean here, and if you're referring to Blake then you can note I'm not talking about him directly. I am talking about retrofitting justifications to rationalize or legitimize certain actions post-fact, rationalizations that didn't obtain at the time whatever encounter took place. I cannot claim I killed a serial killer when at the time of the killing I had no idea who he was or what he's done; what I really did was kill someone who resisted arrest or detainment or whatever during the course of me pulling him over for speeding. There's a separate accountability process for that in which the serial killer part plays no role. Again, does that hold true for Blake? I don't know.
They knew Blake was wanted on warrants when they arrived.


I would have expected more police then.

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There has to have some fallout after wrecking an NBA day and they find the victim was deserved.

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There has to have some fallout after wrecking an NBA day and they find the victim was deserved.

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If only Lebron and other prominent athletes would call off games, take a knee, and fire off frustrated tweets every time another innocent kid is gunned down in the inner cities by gang violence -and demand the killers be turned in and brought to justice.


But nah, let’s not use that power for anything really useful



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There has to have some fallout after wrecking an NBA day and they find the victim was deserved.

Define deserved please.

That’s pretty impossible to misinterpret. Mike is saying Jacob Blake deserved to be shot 7 times in the back.

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The bubble sucks. Limited conjugal visits leads to horrendous decisions. Although I would have respected a forfeit.

TBF to the Bucks it sounds like they wanted a forfeit and then of course the rest of the NBA was gonna follow their lead.


I can picture the conversation:

Bucks: we want to boycott
Magic: okay, we'll take the forfeit
Silver: no, you guys need to also boycott
Magic: okay, we'll also boycott
Bucks: :x

Why would NBA or the team's owners ever allow a forfeit? That's a game that's no longer televised and revenue lost. They'd never allow a forfeit.

The NBA is trying to save their playoff inventory and looking like they care.


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Looks like the Brewers are doing the same thing, fuck this piece of shit world.


Nothing wrong with them protesting a game. Would you rather they loot the streets and rob the stores?

This protest hurts no one and sends a powerful message. Well done NBA for showing there are other ways to protest then violence and disrespecting the flag.


If the NBA players and other athletes really wanted to be brave, they'd condemn the looting and rioting in the middle of making other points about police shootings. Maybe some of them have, I don't know, but that'd be braver than kneeling or taking a day off from bouncing a ball.

That functional idiot Lebron certainly isnt going to make that distinction, even when he's wearing his " Im smart" LeBron glasses.


Hate to make this sweeping generalization but it seems there's a massive failure of imagination when it comes to community development and social change. Obviously there are many individual actors out there trying their best but if the first reaction to perceived injustice is to rob Walgreens and set fire to Burger King, then there's clearly some sort of ethic missing. I know there are many community programs out there designed to cater to individuals with troubled histories and/or addictions, the existence of which causes repeated encounters with cops. And not all of those encounters are 100% bias free or justified, I get that part too.

To circle back to athletes, and again many already do this, but they need to find some private economic model that drives meaningful investment in communities at elevated risk for crime, drug abuse, etc. Government programs are obviously not working so that's where in particular wealthy individuals with a conscious need to help fill the gap. I don't mean writing checks MJ style but actual meaningful community program development, recurring scholarships, better technology in schools, counseling services for recently released inmates, etc. I've seen this work at a very small scale but typically you always run into funding issues and then the programs just collapse and disappear. I think if the players can come up with something like that in addition to all these public displays of nothingness then it might add more credibility here. It's not really their responsibility so that's why I think there has to be a general paradigm shift when it comes to poverty, crime, recidivism rates, etc., which typically are only discussed by important/powerful/wealthy people during election cycles and then put aside until the next election. Can't wait on the state forever. Fuck that

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There has to have some fallout after wrecking an NBA day and they find the victim was deserved.

Define deserved please.

That’s pretty impossible to misinterpret. Mike is saying Jacob Blake deserved to be shot 7 times in the back.


Stop. Taken into custody and in the course of that shot perhaps. The seven times and paralysis will have consequences for the cops behavior. My point is a person in some dispute with warrants resisting isn’t the person the make Heyward miss a game or Lebron be pissed. There were hundreds more deserving of major athletic protests.

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Looks like the Brewers are doing the same thing, fuck this piece of shit world.


Nothing wrong with them protesting a game. Would you rather they loot the streets and rob the stores?

This protest hurts no one and sends a powerful message. Well done NBA for showing there are other ways to protest then violence and disrespecting the flag.


If the NBA players and other athletes really wanted to be brave, they'd condemn the looting and rioting in the middle of making other points about police shootings. Maybe some of them have, I don't know, but that'd be braver than kneeling or taking a day off from bouncing a ball.

That functional idiot Lebron certainly isnt going to make that distinction, even when he's wearing his " Im smart" LeBron glasses.


Hate to make this sweeping generalization but it seems there's a massive failure of imagination when it comes to community development and social change. Obviously there are many individual actors out there trying their best but if the first reaction to perceived injustice is to rob Walgreens and set fire to Burger King, then there's clearly some sort of ethic missing. I know there are many community programs out there designed to cater to individuals with troubled histories and/or addictions, the existence of which causes repeated encounters with cops. And not all of those encounters are 100% bias free or justified, I get that part too.

To circle back to athletes, and again many already do this, but they need to find some private economic model that drives meaningful investment in communities at elevated risk for crime, drug abuse, etc. Government programs are obviously not working so that's where in particular wealthy individuals with a conscious need to help fill the gap. I don't mean writing checks MJ style but actual meaningful community program development, recurring scholarships, better technology in schools, counseling services for recently released inmates, etc. I've seen this work at a very small scale but typically you always run into funding issues and then the programs just collapse and disappear. I think if the players can come up with something like that in addition to all these public displays of nothingness then it might add more credibility here. It's not really their responsibility so that's why I think there has to be a general paradigm shift when it comes to poverty, crime, recidivism rates, etc., which typically are only discussed by important/powerful/wealthy people during election cycles and then put aside until the next election. Can't wait on the state forever. Fuck that
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I'm generally the first guy who says that your past shouldn't matter when discussing a present day situation. I'm also a guy who is generally disgusted by people digging up the criminal records of black shooting victims in an attempt to justify their deaths. This guy is an exception to those rules. We should ignore this one as quickly as possible. He was/is scum.


Probably true but still irrelevant. We still don't know what happened with this guy outside of the seven shots. But whether you're a saint or a serial killer in your free time, none of that is ever material in situations where the whole basis for law enforcement engaging you is some chance cause. If, say, the next Ted Bundy was pulled over for speeding, and then for whatever reason died at the hands of the cops - perhaps they shot him, perhaps they kneeled his neck, whatever, and again this is about speeding and perhaps being subsequently difficult to deal with - it still won't matter later on if it's discovered that the guy was a serial killer. It's undoubtedly a good thing he's no longer on earth but that doesn't mean his death in that specific situation was justified.

All that being said, STILL the wrong pony to hitch the cart to. You have to think this forward.


I don't know what you mean here, and if you're referring to Blake then you can note I'm not talking about him directly. I am talking about retrofitting justifications to rationalize or legitimize certain actions post-fact, rationalizations that didn't obtain at the time whatever encounter took place. I cannot claim I killed a serial killer when at the time of the killing I had no idea who he was or what he's done; what I really did was kill someone who resisted arrest or detainment or whatever during the course of me pulling him over for speeding. There's a separate accountability process for that in which the serial killer part plays no role. Again, does that hold true for Blake? I don't know.
They knew Blake was wanted on warrants when they arrived.


ANd they also knew that he was arrested and served time for using a weapon in the past. This was not the fucking choir boy the media is making him out to be. Wonder who made the complaint and asked for the cops to come out? Maybe the person who was attacked with the knife?

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