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Replacement players in baseball might actually make it better...if the pitchers are topping out at 90, I bet more balls would be put in play.


Problem is, the guys that struggle to hit even them will be the other group of guys coming up. Enjoy your Kane Co. Cougars, I'll pass.

Fielding would be even worse.

Everything we've seen from the KBO, NPB and Cuban National Series says that it'd be a pretty darn watchable game.


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Replacement players in baseball might actually make it better...if the pitchers are topping out at 90, I bet more balls would be put in play.


Problem is, the guys that struggle to hit even them will be the other group of guys coming up. Enjoy your Kane Co. Cougars, I'll pass.

Fielding would be even worse.


Yeah, I see your and RR's point but I often wonder if the variance of play at the next tier is less than that at the extreme pinnacle. People like to say there are only 10 or so truly great QBs, and those outliers greatly determine the success of a team. If you removed the cream of the crop, would the competitive balance be better, or like you say, would the quality just be overall bad?

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Yeah, I see your and RR's point but I often wonder if the variance of play at the next tier is less than that at the extreme pinnacle. People like to say there are only 10 or so truly great QBs, and those outliers greatly determine the success of a team. If you removed the cream of the crop, would the competitive balance be better, or like you say, would the quality just be overall bad?

For certain franchises (who may play on the lakefront of a major city and may wear blue/orange jersies) it would be a literal godsend if the league operated like this.


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Replacement players in baseball might actually make it better...if the pitchers are topping out at 90, I bet more balls would be put in play.


Problem is, the guys that struggle to hit even them will be the other group of guys coming up. Enjoy your Kane Co. Cougars, I'll pass.

Class A ball is the worst. Might as well go watch a high school game. I'd rather watch a high school game.


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I'm sorry that's your narrow takeaway. I was looking at the decisions from a broader perspective. In the future players could choose not to play for any XYZ reason and leagues/owners/fans are at their mercy. They've always been but players rarely have flexed their muscles like they are now.

There are millions of people willing to step in who wouldn't have this petulant, shitty attitude. The irony of a bunch of millionaire athletes, jobs that only fifty years ago required an off-season job as supplemental income, denouncing how broken America is and how it doesn't work for them :lol: You have gotta be shitting me.

Either way pull a bunch of D-1 athletes up. College football is great, everyone loves it. There's more than enough talent, and in any case I am getting a little bored of "New fast guy! Faster than the last fast guy! Watch as everyone flails around gameplanning for the fast guy!", I dont need the best athletes to be a giant Bears homer.


Agreed. Never have been able to understand the level of disrespect shown towards the players found in the Las Vegas Summer League around here.

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Nardi wrote:
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Replacement players in baseball might actually make it better...if the pitchers are topping out at 90, I bet more balls would be put in play.


Problem is, the guys that struggle to hit even them will be the other group of guys coming up. Enjoy your Kane Co. Cougars, I'll pass.

Class A ball is the worst. Might as well go watch a high school game. I'd rather watch a high school game.

I went to a Schaumburg Flyers game once. That was some of the worst baseball I ever witnessed. You would probably see more talent at a high school game.

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Replacement players in baseball might actually make it better...if the pitchers are topping out at 90, I bet more balls would be put in play.


Problem is, the guys that struggle to hit even them will be the other group of guys coming up. Enjoy your Kane Co. Cougars, I'll pass.

Fielding would be even worse.


Yeah, I see your and RR's point but I often wonder if the variance of play at the next tier is less than that at the extreme pinnacle. People like to say there are only 10 or so truly great QBs, and those outliers greatly determine the success of a team. If you removed the cream of the crop, would the competitive balance be better, or like you say, would the quality just be overall bad?

There aren't ten certifiably good/"great" QBs in the NCAA right now. Or LTs, speed rushers or LBs. I vote overall bad.

You could probably make the same assertion at each descending level.

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Replacement players in baseball might actually make it better...if the pitchers are topping out at 90, I bet more balls would be put in play.


Problem is, the guys that struggle to hit even them will be the other group of guys coming up. Enjoy your Kane Co. Cougars, I'll pass.

Class A ball is the worst. Might as well go watch a high school game. I'd rather watch a high school game.

I went to a Schaumburg Flyers game once. That was some of the worst baseball I ever witnessed. You would probably see more talent at a high school game.


That's the thing. The Flyers would smoke any high school team. The levels to this stuff very greatly.

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Replacement players in baseball might actually make it better...if the pitchers are topping out at 90, I bet more balls would be put in play.


Problem is, the guys that struggle to hit even them will be the other group of guys coming up. Enjoy your Kane Co. Cougars, I'll pass.

Class A ball is the worst. Might as well go watch a high school game. I'd rather watch a high school game.

I went to a Schaumburg Flyers game once. That was some of the worst baseball I ever witnessed. You would probably see more talent at a high school game.


That's the thing. The Flyers would smoke any high school team. The levels to this stuff very greatly.

It's not that. There's a huge differential in talent ON the field. There's a few guys who are trying to make it to the show going against pig slop. And I mean bad. Off the street bad.


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 Post subject: Re: NBA Boycott
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Jaw Breaker wrote:
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Replacement players in baseball might actually make it better...if the pitchers are topping out at 90, I bet more balls would be put in play.


Problem is, the guys that struggle to hit even them will be the other group of guys coming up. Enjoy your Kane Co. Cougars, I'll pass.

Fielding would be even worse.


Yeah, I see your and RR's point but I often wonder if the variance of play at the next tier is less than that at the extreme pinnacle. People like to say there are only 10 or so truly great QBs, and those outliers greatly determine the success of a team. If you removed the cream of the crop, would the competitive balance be better, or like you say, would the quality just be overall bad?


Overall quality would be bad which is the argument that I often make regarding college basketball.

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tommy wrote:
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Replacement players in baseball might actually make it better...if the pitchers are topping out at 90, I bet more balls would be put in play.


Problem is, the guys that struggle to hit even them will be the other group of guys coming up. Enjoy your Kane Co. Cougars, I'll pass.

Fielding would be even worse.


Yeah, I see your and RR's point but I often wonder if the variance of play at the next tier is less than that at the extreme pinnacle. People like to say there are only 10 or so truly great QBs, and those outliers greatly determine the success of a team. If you removed the cream of the crop, would the competitive balance be better, or like you say, would the quality just be overall bad?


Overall quality would be bad which is the argument that I often make regarding college basketball.


The overall quality doesn't look as bad when the other teams are also not as good. I maan Henry Burris is a Canadian football legend.

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tommy wrote:
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Replacement players in baseball might actually make it better...if the pitchers are topping out at 90, I bet more balls would be put in play.


Problem is, the guys that struggle to hit even them will be the other group of guys coming up. Enjoy your Kane Co. Cougars, I'll pass.

Fielding would be even worse.


Yeah, I see your and RR's point but I often wonder if the variance of play at the next tier is less than that at the extreme pinnacle. People like to say there are only 10 or so truly great QBs, and those outliers greatly determine the success of a team. If you removed the cream of the crop, would the competitive balance be better, or like you say, would the quality just be overall bad?


Overall quality would be bad which is the argument that I often make regarding college basketball.


The overall quality doesn't look as bad when the other teams are also not as good. I maan Henry Burris is a Canadian football legend.


It would if you were accustomed to watching a higher quality of play. I doubt seriously that 70,000 people would pack Soldiers Field to watch CFL football if it ever became the norm.

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With NFL coaches and NFL """strength and conditioning"""" you could definitely make a watchable pro game out of D-1 athletes. There's really no doubt.


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It has been the norm for around 30 years. :lol:

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It would if you were accustomed to watching a higher quality of play. I doubt seriously that 70,000 people would pack Soldiers Field to watch CFL football if it ever became the norm.


If every team had CFL quality players it wouldn't take long before people did not notice the difference.

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With NFL coaches and NFL """strength and conditioning"""" you could definitely make a watchable pro game out of D-1 athletes. There's really no doubt.

watchable. great threshold. :lol:


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It would if you were accustomed to watching a higher quality of play. I doubt seriously that 70,000 people would pack Soldiers Field to watch CFL football if it ever became the norm.


If every team had CFL quality players it wouldn't take long before people did not notice the difference.

It would take at least a decade

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With NFL coaches and NFL """strength and conditioning"""" you could definitely make a watchable pro game out of D-1 athletes. There's really no doubt.

watchable. great threshold. :lol:

Watchable to the standards of a pro football audience accustomed to the NFL. Obviously CFL and D-1 ball is "watchable", college football is the second most popular sport in the USA and CFL the second most popular sport in Canada. People are watching.


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It would if you were accustomed to watching a higher quality of play. I doubt seriously that 70,000 people would pack Soldiers Field to watch CFL football if it ever became the norm.


If every team had CFL quality players it wouldn't take long before people did not notice the difference.

It would take at least a decade


A year or two at most. The NFL will be a shit show the first few weeks this year due to lack of padded practice and preseason. No one will care.

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It has been the norm for around 30 years. :lol:


You drunk? :lol: :lol: :lol:

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It would if you were accustomed to watching a higher quality of play. I doubt seriously that 70,000 people would pack Soldiers Field to watch CFL football if it ever became the norm.


If every team had CFL quality players it wouldn't take long before people did not notice the difference.

It would take at least a decade


A year or two at most. The NFL will be a shit show the first few weeks this year due to lack of padded practice and preseason. No one will care.

No one will because because the NFL is annually a shitshow in September. If folks knew it wasn't going to round into form, people would care.

Sure, maybe the super casual fans and the chicks like Julie who don't really watch sports wouldn't notice, but if you're a regular consumer of any league and it switched to minor league talent league wide, I think you're crazy to suggest that wouldn't affect fandom. I have no interest in watching the Charlotte Knights. If that was the best team I could root for I'd find something else to do with my summers.

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It would if you were accustomed to watching a higher quality of play. I doubt seriously that 70,000 people would pack Soldiers Field to watch CFL football if it ever became the norm.


If every team had CFL quality players it wouldn't take long before people did not notice the difference.

It would take at least a decade

We basically get replacement players every year and people either dont notice or dont care about the dropoff in play. It is considered remarkable if a team doesn't lose one or more of their best players for the entire season due to injury, much less the week-to-week injuries that lead to guys not suiting up that happens to everyone.

Ian Rappaport has made a career out of waking up at 4AM on Sundays and finding out all the "surprise" inactives around the NFL. Its a next man up kind of league.


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It would if you were accustomed to watching a higher quality of play. I doubt seriously that 70,000 people would pack Soldiers Field to watch CFL football if it ever became the norm.


If every team had CFL quality players it wouldn't take long before people did not notice the difference.

It would take at least a decade

We basically get replacement players every year and people either dont notice or dont care about the dropoff in play. It is considered remarkable if a team doesn't lose one or more of their best players for the entire season due to injury, much less the week-to-week injuries that lead to guys not suiting up that happens to everyone.

Ian Rappaport has made a career out of waking up at 4AM on Sundays and finding out all the "surprise" inactives around the NFL. Its a next man up kind of league.

You also think Kenny Clark is a below replacement level player so I'm thinking you might not be the best judge here

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It would if you were accustomed to watching a higher quality of play. I doubt seriously that 70,000 people would pack Soldiers Field to watch CFL football if it ever became the norm.


If every team had CFL quality players it wouldn't take long before people did not notice the difference.

It would take at least a decade


A year or two at most. The NFL will be a shit show the first few weeks this year due to lack of padded practice and preseason. No one will care.

No one will because because the NFL is annually a shitshow in September. If folks knew it wasn't going to round into form, people would care.

Sure, maybe the super casual fans and the chicks like Julie who don't really watch sports wouldn't notice, but if you're a regular consumer of any league and it switched to minor league talent league wide, I think you're crazy to suggest that wouldn't affect fandom. I have no interest in watching the Charlotte Knights. If that was the best team I could root for I'd find something else to do with my summers.


If Packers had the best replacement level team in the NFL you would not care about the quality.

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It would if you were accustomed to watching a higher quality of play. I doubt seriously that 70,000 people would pack Soldiers Field to watch CFL football if it ever became the norm.


If every team had CFL quality players it wouldn't take long before people did not notice the difference.

It would take at least a decade


A year or two at most. The NFL will be a shit show the first few weeks this year due to lack of padded practice and preseason. No one will care.

No one will because because the NFL is annually a shitshow in September. If folks knew it wasn't going to round into form, people would care.

Sure, maybe the super casual fans and the chicks like Julie who don't really watch sports wouldn't notice, but if you're a regular consumer of any league and it switched to minor league talent league wide, I think you're crazy to suggest that wouldn't affect fandom. I have no interest in watching the Charlotte Knights. If that was the best team I could root for I'd find something else to do with my summers.

I couldn't agree more. I don't know about football, but MLB baseball and NBA basketball are a different planet compared to AAA and college basketball. I still get shocked when I go to a game and see the skillsets. It's almost unfathomable how good these humans are at it.


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It would if you were accustomed to watching a higher quality of play. I doubt seriously that 70,000 people would pack Soldiers Field to watch CFL football if it ever became the norm.


If every team had CFL quality players it wouldn't take long before people did not notice the difference.

It would take at least a decade


A year or two at most. The NFL will be a shit show the first few weeks this year due to lack of padded practice and preseason. No one will care.

No one will because because the NFL is annually a shitshow in September. If folks knew it wasn't going to round into form, people would care.

Sure, maybe the super casual fans and the chicks like Julie who don't really watch sports wouldn't notice, but if you're a regular consumer of any league and it switched to minor league talent league wide, I think you're crazy to suggest that wouldn't affect fandom. I have no interest in watching the Charlotte Knights. If that was the best team I could root for I'd find something else to do with my summers.


If Packers had the best replacement level team in the NFL you would not care about the quality.

I'd enjoy it for a season. If it was just going to be like that from now on my interest would decrease dramatically. I'm sure I'd still watch

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Calm down. No one is missing a year of paychecks, and definitely not next year.

They sat our for a day because they had 95% of their salary for this year already in their pockets.

You didn't see Timmy sit out and he is Fuck 12.

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