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Whose Side Do You Take In The Kenosha Chaos?
A. I Support Blake and The "Protesters" 25%  25%  [ 7 ]
B. I Support the officer who had to resort to discharging his weapon to defend himself due to Blake's Incoherent Actions, and Mr. Rittenhouse's efforts to Defend Himself against a violent horde 54%  54%  [ 15 ]
C. I'm staying out of this motherfucker 21%  21%  [ 6 ]
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:23 pm 
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:lol: :lol:

Yeah, I'm proud of that one.

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Almost every human being in this situation is at fault, with the exception of the non violent residents or shop owners in Kenosha.

A. Blake was a piece of shit (I will take Nas' word for it) and thinking you are going to succeed in pulling a weapon on multiple armed people, officers or not, nope.

B. How the fuck did none of the three officers think to block Blake's path to the car? He doesn't get to the car and there is no question about "need" to shoot him.

C. Anybody who lives more than 10 minutes outside of Kenosha who doesn't work there, what the fuck are you doing on the street? And what is destroying property going to do except get people to accuse you of being a George Soros pawn, or some kind of double-cross white supremacist?

C2: That goes double for the fucking "militia" - if i had tried to leave my house at 17 to go protect a street in Kenosha with a gun, my father would have run me over with his car.

D. If you see a fucking 17 year old with a rifle trying to play Barney Fife, what level of stupidity prompts you to get within his field of vision, much less attack him? I know they stopped playing Andy Griffith Show reruns on WGN, but seriously.


In short, we used to have infantry based wars every couple of generations and the stupidest in society would die due to their dumbfuckery (along with a lot of other people including many brave ones). Now, it seems like every fucking numbskull waits for the batsignal to gather in places like Kenosha.

And you will notice that I did not invoke race once here. Dumbfuckery crosses race, religion, political leaning, sexual orientation, whatever.


All good points.

Agreed

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i dont know too much about blake's past. why is he a piece of shit? even so he does not deserve getting shot at 8 times in the back and close range.


Perhaps you haven't ever been in combat? Ask a combat veteran what they would do if someone had a weapon leveled at them. Guess what? They wouldn't wait to shoot the shit out of whoever did that to them.


You shoot to neutralize. Too bad we didn't have body cam footage to determine if seven shots were excessive.


Where did you read this? Let me tell you something about reality. If you shoot to "neutralize" you are likely to get killed yourself. This is not some Lone Ranger or Roy Rogers cowboy serial stuff where they shoot the guy out of the bad guy's hand or just try and "wing em". Cops and soldiers are taught to aim center mass at all times.

The other thing is this. I would bet that the cop who shot this guy probably never had a life threatening episode like this in his entire life and had to be scared shitless. That also happens with cops and soldiers. This isn't something that anyone is ready for really. If a cop wants to go home that night and be with his family, he'd better take the bad guy down and perform wisely through his fear and not think twice about shooting the guy.


Hawk, I was military police; I know my stuff. You never say "shoot to kill", you shoot to neutralize a threat . You aim for "two to the chest, one to the head" because those areas are the largest, most static parts of the body. You shoot to prevent the individual from posing further danger to yourself or others; sometimes they survive, sometimes they don't.


Kudos to you for your service. I believe that we are talking the same thing, really. I said that we were taught to aim for center mass and you are correct it is aiming at the largest target. I always aimed center mass. It wasn't like you really had a choice unless the enemy was behind something and wasn't moving around a lot.

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Bottom line. If I knew that Black had a weapon somewhere and got to his car and bent down and reached under the seat, I'd have shot him and not thought twice.


Wow.

The dude's name is Blake.


Typo on me. No intent whatsoever. IF a white guy had done the same thing and I was the cop, I'd have shot the white guy also.


:lol: Typo on me!

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FrankDrebin wrote:
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HawaiiYou wrote:
i dont know too much about blake's past. why is he a piece of shit? even so he does not deserve getting shot at 8 times in the back and close range.


Perhaps you haven't ever been in combat? Ask a combat veteran what they would do if someone had a weapon leveled at them. Guess what? They wouldn't wait to shoot the shit out of whoever did that to them.


You shoot to neutralize. Too bad we didn't have body cam footage to determine if seven shots were excessive.


Guy is not dead so guess it was not enough?

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chaspoppcap wrote:
FrankDrebin wrote:
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HawaiiYou wrote:
i dont know too much about blake's past. why is he a piece of shit? even so he does not deserve getting shot at 8 times in the back and close range.


Perhaps you haven't ever been in combat? Ask a combat veteran what they would do if someone had a weapon leveled at them. Guess what? They wouldn't wait to shoot the shit out of whoever did that to them.


You shoot to neutralize. Too bad we didn't have body cam footage to determine if seven shots were excessive.


Guy is not dead so guess it was not enough?


No, when he loses the ability to harm you if when you stop shooting. If shot #3 resulted in him dropping the knife or stop reaching for the knife, then you stop. That's why the lack of video clouds whether there was an excessive use of force argument.

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The Hawk wrote:
FrankDrebin wrote:
The Hawk wrote:
FrankDrebin wrote:
The Hawk wrote:
HawaiiYou wrote:
i dont know too much about blake's past. why is he a piece of shit? even so he does not deserve getting shot at 8 times in the back and close range.


Perhaps you haven't ever been in combat? Ask a combat veteran what they would do if someone had a weapon leveled at them. Guess what? They wouldn't wait to shoot the shit out of whoever did that to them.


You shoot to neutralize. Too bad we didn't have body cam footage to determine if seven shots were excessive.


Where did you read this? Let me tell you something about reality. If you shoot to "neutralize" you are likely to get killed yourself. This is not some Lone Ranger or Roy Rogers cowboy serial stuff where they shoot the guy out of the bad guy's hand or just try and "wing em". Cops and soldiers are taught to aim center mass at all times.

The other thing is this. I would bet that the cop who shot this guy probably never had a life threatening episode like this in his entire life and had to be scared shitless. That also happens with cops and soldiers. This isn't something that anyone is ready for really. If a cop wants to go home that night and be with his family, he'd better take the bad guy down and perform wisely through his fear and not think twice about shooting the guy.


Hawk, I was military police; I know my stuff. You never say "shoot to kill", you shoot to neutralize a threat . You aim for "two to the chest, one to the head" because those areas are the largest, most static parts of the body. You shoot to prevent the individual from posing further danger to yourself or others; sometimes they survive, sometimes they don't.


Kudos to you for your service. I believe that we are talking the same thing, really. I said that we were taught to aim for center mass and you are correct it is aiming at the largest target. I always aimed center mass. It wasn't like you really had a choice unless the enemy was behind something and wasn't moving around a lot.


You misunderstood the word "neutralize"; if a guy is reaching for a weapon with his right hand, of course you don't shoot that hand/arm. "Center of mass" will do the job just fine.

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Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
Almost every human being in this situation is at fault, with the exception of the non violent residents or shop owners in Kenosha.

A. Blake was a piece of shit (I will take Nas' word for it) and thinking you are going to succeed in pulling a weapon on multiple armed people, officers or not, nope.

B. How the fuck did none of the three officers think to block Blake's path to the car? He doesn't get to the car and there is no question about "need" to shoot him.

C. Anybody who lives more than 10 minutes outside of Kenosha who doesn't work there, what the fuck are you doing on the street? And what is destroying property going to do except get people to accuse you of being a George Soros pawn, or some kind of double-cross white supremacist?

C2: That goes double for the fucking "militia" - if i had tried to leave my house at 17 to go protect a street in Kenosha with a gun, my father would have run me over with his car.

D. If you see a fucking 17 year old with a rifle trying to play Barney Fife, what level of stupidity prompts you to get within his field of vision, much less attack him? I know they stopped playing Andy Griffith Show reruns on WGN, but seriously.


In short, we used to have infantry based wars every couple of generations and the stupidest in society would die due to their dumbfuckery (along with a lot of other people including many brave ones). Now, it seems like every fucking numbskull waits for the batsignal to gather in places like Kenosha.

And you will notice that I did not invoke race once here. Dumbfuckery crosses race, religion, political leaning, sexual orientation, whatever.

This is a good take and makes a lot of sense.

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I gave yer mom the poll last night. I will not be returning her phone calls.

Did you take her out for a nice seafood dinner?

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Franky T wrote:
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I gave yer mom the poll last night. I will not be returning her phone calls.

Did you take her out for a nice seafood dinner?


Guessing the mom was the seafood dinner.

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Regular Reader wrote:
FrankDrebin wrote:
Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
Almost every human being in this situation is at fault, with the exception of the non violent residents or shop owners in Kenosha.

A. Blake was a piece of shit (I will take Nas' word for it) and thinking you are going to succeed in pulling a weapon on multiple armed people, officers or not, nope.

B. How the fuck did none of the three officers think to block Blake's path to the car? He doesn't get to the car and there is no question about "need" to shoot him.

C. Anybody who lives more than 10 minutes outside of Kenosha who doesn't work there, what the fuck are you doing on the street? And what is destroying property going to do except get people to accuse you of being a George Soros pawn, or some kind of double-cross white supremacist?

C2: That goes double for the fucking "militia" - if i had tried to leave my house at 17 to go protect a street in Kenosha with a gun, my father would have run me over with his car.

D. If you see a fucking 17 year old with a rifle trying to play Barney Fife, what level of stupidity prompts you to get within his field of vision, much less attack him? I know they stopped playing Andy Griffith Show reruns on WGN, but seriously.


In short, we used to have infantry based wars every couple of generations and the stupidest in society would die due to their dumbfuckery (along with a lot of other people including many brave ones). Now, it seems like every fucking numbskull waits for the batsignal to gather in places like Kenosha.

And you will notice that I did not invoke race once here. Dumbfuckery crosses race, religion, political leaning, sexual orientation, whatever.


All good points.

Agreed

Chet's a good poster.


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Chester is dropping some truth bombs...I like it.

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i believe :

- blake made a poor decision
- the cop may have made a poor decision. I'll reserve judgement for more information
- the kid should be prosecuted for carrying and being underage with a firearm, murder? i'll wait for the investigation
- evers made a good decision asking for federal help
- lemon is right, these "protestors" will get trump reelected


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hnd wrote:
i believe :

- blake made a poor decision
- the cop may have made a poor decision. I'll reserve judgement for more information
- the kid should be prosecuted for carrying and being underage with a firearm, murder? i'll wait for the investigation
- evers made a good decision asking for federal help
- lemon is right, these "protestors" will get trump reelected

Reports are now coming out saying that Blake was attacking the officers with the knife and had also put one in a headlock, so that might explain why nobody was getting in his way anymore as he sauntered around to the car's front door.

If that is the case they should be given credit for showing restraint and not shooting him earlier whist he was brandishing the knife. It would appear that they only fired upon him when he opened the car door and reached his hand into the unknown, to possibly retrieve who knows what.

If that is the case, where are all of the apologies, and how do the offenders (and flame igniting-and-then-stoking media members) who wrecked this town make it whole again?

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