That is what I thought also. Clearly Greinke was and is mentally challenged and yet he got help for it and became a legit ACE.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

Thats how I see it also. Another way of looking at him is what other teams will see in him, namely that he would be their best hitter in the middle of the order and would have more value to their roster than the White Sox see him as.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

Thats the logic which led Theo to trade Eloy instead of Schwarber. Look where that got them....

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"When people want their version of the truth, they go find it, no matter how baseless their beliefs." -- Ken Rosenthal

I just dont think it's a good idea to deal away a guy who has a very reasonable chance of having a few forty HRand hundred RBI seasons in his career. That's a lot of runs to deal away.

You've got a good point. That may go own historically as one of the worst trades in baseball history for the Cubs.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

IS that true? Did they actually deep that bucket of shit because they thought he was a "star"?

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

I would not trade any of them. This year is a crap shoot in the playoffs, and nobody knows what next year or post-CBA looks like. Hold your true assets and take your chances this year and in 2021, then wait to see how Jerry screws their chances with the new CBA after the work stoppage.

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"When people want their version of the truth, they go find it, no matter how baseless their beliefs." -- Ken Rosenthal

Theo wouldn't trade Schwarber for Verlander, who desperately wanted to come to Wrigley. Then he eventually had to deal an outfielder for a pitcher, and he was committed to Schwarber so he had to trade Eloy as they played the same LF position with no DH in sight.

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"When people want their version of the truth, they go find it, no matter how baseless their beliefs." -- Ken Rosenthal

That really is nuts.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

Mentioned on the broadcast, Rosenthal is on the move.

Padres

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/08/ ... nthal.html

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Sherman remarked, "Well, Grant, we've had the devil's own day, haven't we?" Grant looked up. "Yes," he replied, followed by a puff. "Yes. Lick 'em tomorrow, though."

So the Sox are apparently talking Clevinger in exchange for Kopech and "maybe" Engel? Why on earth would Cleveland do that???

I think its a ruse to get them the guy they really want, which is Lynn or Bundy.

I just listened to two hours of MLB Network Radio trade discussion and that never came up, even when they had Jon Mirosi on.

Their best move is probably Mazara and Nicky Steaks to the Cardinals for pitching. The Cardinals outfield is horrific, and their pitching staff is strong. Might not get a Bundy level guy back, but it would be a good match.

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"When people want their version of the truth, they go find it, no matter how baseless their beliefs." -- Ken Rosenthal

Clevinger pissed off a lot of Indian players and officials with his violation of the virus protocols. His trade value might have been hurt by those actions.

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Sherman remarked, "Well, Grant, we've had the devil's own day, haven't we?" Grant looked up. "Yes," he replied, followed by a puff. "Yes. Lick 'em tomorrow, though."

That's a good point but still, a division rival? And all you get back is a total bust like Kopech?

How many years does Clevenger have on his contract? If he has years left or a sign and trade deal is okayed, I'd do that in a heartbeat if I'm the Sox. Cleveland may be figuring that they still have enough left to still be contenders in this silly season and wants to rebuild?

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

I wouldn't say total bust; Greinke had some mental problems that treatment took care of. Perhaps the Indians believe Kopech can helped the same way.

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Sherman remarked, "Well, Grant, we've had the devil's own day, haven't we?" Grant looked up. "Yes," he replied, followed by a puff. "Yes. Lick 'em tomorrow, though."

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Sherman remarked, "Well, Grant, we've had the devil's own day, haven't we?" Grant looked up. "Yes," he replied, followed by a puff. "Yes. Lick 'em tomorrow, though."

You've said that a couple of times now about Kopech being a bust. Based on what is he a bust?

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

He doesn't want to play. Mentally he's a headcase.

The stuff is awesome when he can harness it but I've got very little faith in his desire to play. His girlfriend left him so he quit on the season? What a joke.

The Mets would be the most logical landing spot for Clevinger, but with the team in the middle of being sold they are probably not going to take on contracts or give up prospects.

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"When people want their version of the truth, they go find it, no matter how baseless their beliefs." -- Ken Rosenthal

GMs always think they are the ones to unlock that awesome potential in players with mental issues. Maybe they flip him to acquire something else.

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Sherman remarked, "Well, Grant, we've had the devil's own day, haven't we?" Grant looked up. "Yes," he replied, followed by a puff. "Yes. Lick 'em tomorrow, though."

I am pretty sure this Clevinger talk is all for show and it wont happen. They're just using it to get the prices where they want them on other deals.

Then, I'd do that deal in a nanosecond.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

I would go for Chad Kuhl or Trevor Williams.

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Sherman remarked, "Well, Grant, we've had the devil's own day, haven't we?" Grant looked up. "Yes," he replied, followed by a puff. "Yes. Lick 'em tomorrow, though."

So what? He's young and immature. I had a catcher who probably would be playing in the major league's right now(A's organization) if not for a girlfriend. He ended up quitting after knocking up his girlfriend and marrying her He's a good dad and husband but right now he is teaching little leaguers and high school kids how to hit instead of being a multi-millionaire.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

Based on these:

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We Now Know That JOE BIDEN has been COMPROMISED by CHINA! (let that sink in)

Election 2020-The Largest Fraud in the History of Mankind.

*If you believe that Biden won, you also believe that Epstein killed himself*

One thing on my mind trade wise is this. If they are going to trade using prospects, I would include Madrigal in that list. While I like Madrigal I really do not think he is much better than Mendick realistically. The other possibility is to include Mendick as trade bait also. I'd really resist trading Vaughn who I think is Abreu's replacement starting next year with Jose moving to DH and a spell at first scenario.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

she's a fucking seven a he quit baseball for a season over her.