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 Post subject: Re: Time to blow it up
PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:20 pm 
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Thought this thread was about the bored. Never mind.


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You should be water-boarded (or boreded, wharever).

It was intentional and a long-time board meme, so...er, I forgot - you’re still on dial-up AOL.

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Almora optioned .

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Almora optioned .


we will never forget your Albert for that tag up in game 7 extras.

Not sure if you got a fair chance in 17/18.

Good luck wherever you land!


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Really disappointing that he has never taken the next steps.

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Really disappointing that he has never taken the next steps.


Offensive league . Have it be able to hit .

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GoldenJet wrote:
Really disappointing that he has never taken the next steps.


remember back in 17/18 we bitched and moaned that Maddon never gave him a chance to succeed and prove himself?

did that screw him up?

I hope he does well somewhere else.


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GoldenJet wrote:
Really disappointing that he has never taken the next steps.


Offensive league . Have it be able to hit .


Yep. He's got a pretty swing too. Just hasn't produced. Maybe he needs a fresh start.

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Almora optioned .


we will never forget your Albert for that tag up in game 7 extras.

Not sure if you got a fair chance in 17/18.

Good luck wherever you land!

He's not DFA, he's just optioned to South Bend.

I wouldn't be surprised if he makes a first round playoff roster, as they won't need a 4th or 5th starter for a best of 3.

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That will happen in December unless they win it all. The only person they won't try hard to trade is Heyward as he becomes a 10 and 5 guy at the end of this year.

If MLB sticks with a 16 team playoff with no meaningful benefits for a first place team, I expect that they will shed a lot of their position players and play for a 4 seed next year. The Brewers are toast, the Cardinals still have no hitting, and the Pirates are the Pirates.

I think the Marlins could pay for Rizzo to extend him and give up a young starter, he's a South Florida guy and he's the type of veteran they need as they get ready to make their run in a crazy weak NL East. And somebody in the AL or NL West will be willing to rent Bryant for a year.



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Rizzo isn't going to get traded. He's the new Mr.Cub. He'll have a tv gig in chicago when its all over. Mark Grace was suppose to be the next Mr.Cub but he shit the bed w/ the organization 20 years apart.

We were told when the Ricketts took over they represented a new era of ownership. they would spend money on the club. they did and got us a ring but due to financial mistakes now they're tight on the wallet and will be probably for another 3-5 years. Remember in this last offseason, the directive was to cut salary.

So I'm expecting a mediocre club next 3 years. If Theo leaves after next year, one of his cronies will take over and who knows how they will be in judging talent and rebuilding the minors.


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Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
That will happen in December unless they win it all. The only person they won't try hard to trade is Heyward as he becomes a 10 and 5 guy at the end of this year.

If MLB sticks with a 16 team playoff with no meaningful benefits for a first place team, I expect that they will shed a lot of their position players and play for a 4 seed next year. The Brewers are toast, the Cardinals still have no hitting, and the Pirates are the Pirates.

I think the Marlins could pay for Rizzo to extend him and give up a young starter, he's a South Florida guy and he's the type of veteran they need as they get ready to make their run in a crazy weak NL East. And somebody in the AL or NL West will be willing to rent Bryant for a year.



You don’t have a fucking clue

Oh fuck off.

1. This division is shit. IF MLB keeps the same playoff format, do you really think that they can't get a 4 seed with 85 wins? They might even win the division (and thus a 3 seed) with 85. Why would Ricketts spend the money on an aging core just for the difference between a 4 seed and a 2 seed?

2. The Marlins are on the rise. If they are going to overpay for leadership, Rizzo is the logical choice. Either this off season, or when Rizzo becomes a free agent. If they choose not to, Rizzo will stay a Cub. It's not that complicated.

3. They wanted to move Bryant last off season and MLB fucked them over with delaying the arbitration results on Bryant's grievance. If the DH stays in the NL, the Rockies would be a perfect location for Bryant as he could play LF and otherwise rotate DH/3B. Same with Anaheim if he wants to reunite with Merlot Joe.

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Imagine what the Cubs could do if they had young stars like Eloy and Cease to start a rebuild around...

At least you got that career .500 4th starter out of the deal.

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 Post subject: Re: Time to blow it up
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Imagine what the Cubs could do if they had young stars like Eloy and Cease to start a rebuild around...

At least you got that career .500 4th starter out of the deal.

Hot take. Haven't seen this poster before.


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Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
Crick Ramp wrote:
Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
That will happen in December unless they win it all. The only person they won't try hard to trade is Heyward as he becomes a 10 and 5 guy at the end of this year.

If MLB sticks with a 16 team playoff with no meaningful benefits for a first place team, I expect that they will shed a lot of their position players and play for a 4 seed next year. The Brewers are toast, the Cardinals still have no hitting, and the Pirates are the Pirates.

I think the Marlins could pay for Rizzo to extend him and give up a young starter, he's a South Florida guy and he's the type of veteran they need as they get ready to make their run in a crazy weak NL East. And somebody in the AL or NL West will be willing to rent Bryant for a year.



You don’t have a fucking clue

Oh fuck off.

1. This division is shit. IF MLB keeps the same playoff format, do you really think that they can't get a 4 seed with 85 wins? They might even win the division (and thus a 3 seed) with 85. Why would Ricketts spend the money on an aging core just for the difference between a 4 seed and a 2 seed?

2. The Marlins are on the rise. If they are going to overpay for leadership, Rizzo is the logical choice. Either this off season, or when Rizzo becomes a free agent. If they choose not to, Rizzo will stay a Cub. It's not that complicated.

3. They wanted to move Bryant last off season and MLB fucked them over with delaying the arbitration results on Bryant's grievance. If the DH stays in the NL, the Rockies would be a perfect location for Bryant as he could play LF and otherwise rotate DH/3B. Same with Anaheim if he wants to reunite with Merlot Joe.

They thought Bryant was going to be the face of the franchise. He's clearly not. Completely agree that Rizzo is the better option to overpay. I'd overpay for Baez over Bryant at this point.

Contreras is the one wildcard here. Catchers who can hit always have value. The Cubs currently have very few movable contracts that will return value. Contreras, Bryant, and Baez....I keep Baez and deal the others for a rebuild. Clearly Theo overestimated his haul for Bryant and yes...MLB didn't help things, either.

Theo has dug himself quite a hole.

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Imagine what the Cubs could do if they had young stars like Eloy and Cease to start a rebuild around...

At least you got that career .500 4th starter out of the deal.


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BigW72 wrote:
Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
Crick Ramp wrote:
Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
That will happen in December unless they win it all. The only person they won't try hard to trade is Heyward as he becomes a 10 and 5 guy at the end of this year.

If MLB sticks with a 16 team playoff with no meaningful benefits for a first place team, I expect that they will shed a lot of their position players and play for a 4 seed next year. The Brewers are toast, the Cardinals still have no hitting, and the Pirates are the Pirates.

I think the Marlins could pay for Rizzo to extend him and give up a young starter, he's a South Florida guy and he's the type of veteran they need as they get ready to make their run in a crazy weak NL East. And somebody in the AL or NL West will be willing to rent Bryant for a year.



You don’t have a fucking clue

Oh fuck off.

1. This division is shit. IF MLB keeps the same playoff format, do you really think that they can't get a 4 seed with 85 wins? They might even win the division (and thus a 3 seed) with 85. Why would Ricketts spend the money on an aging core just for the difference between a 4 seed and a 2 seed?

2. The Marlins are on the rise. If they are going to overpay for leadership, Rizzo is the logical choice. Either this off season, or when Rizzo becomes a free agent. If they choose not to, Rizzo will stay a Cub. It's not that complicated.

3. They wanted to move Bryant last off season and MLB fucked them over with delaying the arbitration results on Bryant's grievance. If the DH stays in the NL, the Rockies would be a perfect location for Bryant as he could play LF and otherwise rotate DH/3B. Same with Anaheim if he wants to reunite with Merlot Joe.

They thought Bryant was going to be the face of the franchise. He's clearly not. Completely agree that Rizzo is the better option to overpay. I'd overpay for Baez over Bryant at this point.

Contreras is the one wildcard here. Catchers who can hit always have value. The Cubs currently have very few movable contracts that will return value. Contreras, Bryant, and Baez....I keep Baez and deal the others for a rebuild. Clearly Theo overestimated his haul for Bryant and yes...MLB didn't help things, either.

Theo has dug himself quite a hole.


Theo is one step out the door - he doesn't care. And why should he care - the owner has told him they won't be spending any time soon.

Contreras is not consistent but can get prospects. Baez is probably the biggest chip they can trade and get a lot back. Bryant will take some in the market too. Rizzo is staying.


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I'd overpay for Baez over Bryant at this point.


I think Bryant has a higher floor...you can pretty much count on a .900 OPS every year.

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Bryant's injury problems and contract drama are going to plummet his price. You'll still find suitors, but they'll be the kind of suitors who are rummaging around for a steal.


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the guy who seems like he's the surest bet is the one you need to be most careful with, and that's Rizzo. Bad backs don't get better and in fact get very worse more often than not, with no warning.

Baez, I hope they deal the kid tomorrow, while he still has value.

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I think the right path is re-signing Bryant now that his dreams of $300m are well and truly squashed. Rizzo stays too, that's your heart and soul. As for Schwarber and Baez you try and lock them up to team friendly deals, which is probably pretty doable at this point. If they dont do it, then trade them off.

I'd deal Happ, Darvish, Hendricks and Contreras. Happ represents a monster prospect haul and I dont think he's as good as his numbers say. Contreras is laughably overrated and somebody will overpay for him because he's a catcher and everyone needs a catcher. After the Grienke and Verlander deals paid off so well for Houston teams will not be warded off by Darvish's age, you should be able to squeeze something like the Grienke deal for him. Hendricks will get you something, I dont know exactly what but it'll be more than nothing.

The acquired prospects would be hitting the majors early-2022, by then you'll have Bryant just hitting age thirty (which is by no means done) and Baez/Schwarber still in their twenties. By then Kimbrel, Lester and Quintana are long gone so the money situation will be way, way better. The Heyward albatross will almost be over too. Assuming Bryant, Schwarber, Baez and Rizzo are all taking reasonable team-friendly deals that's your veteran championship presence all locked up at reasonable rates, leaving tons of room for free agents. A couple of first round picks will mean the farm is still stacked even after the call-ups from the guys acquired in the fire sale, so that's a bunch of trade bullets all lined up.

Burning it all down is dangerous. It nearly didn't work for the Sox. It really only is working because of Robert, he's got everyone energized.


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I'm keeping Hendricks because I think he ages well and has a very team friendly deal

Not sure about Contreras being overrated. He's pretty good. He gets something decent for sure.

Darvish and Baez (despite his 30 game struggle) get big hauls, IMO

Not sure about Happ yet. He's only 25, could be a good bridge guy to the next window.

Bryant is hard to call right now, so is Schwarber


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