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Eloy too nice of a guy. He will learn to be a killer.


What the hell are you talking about now? He had a double taken away from him.


he does not need to congrat the other guy. its your rival.


Come-on man. You play hard to win but tipping your hat to a guy who made a great play on you doesn't hurt a bit to do. Too nice a guy? That is really lame.

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Eesh. They were in command of this game through 5 and then just kept shitting the bed, leaving runners on base and swinging at bad pitches early in the count.

Wasted Anderson's 3-for-4 game.

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Eloy too nice of a guy. He will learn to be a killer.


What the hell are you talking about now? He had a double taken away from him.


he does not need to congrat the other guy. its your rival.


Come-on man. You play hard to win but tipping your hat to a guy who made a great play on you doesn't hurt a bit to do. Too nice a guy? That is really lame.


If Micheal Jordan, Larry Bird, Kobe got their shot blocked, would they say ' nice block' to the other player??? NO. They'd be out to kill you the rest of the game.


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HawaiiYou wrote:
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Eloy too nice of a guy. He will learn to be a killer.


What the hell are you talking about now? He had a double taken away from him.


he does not need to congrat the other guy. its your rival.


Come-on man. You play hard to win but tipping your hat to a guy who made a great play on you doesn't hurt a bit to do. Too nice a guy? That is really lame.


If Micheal Jordan, Larry Bird, Kobe got their shot blocked, would they say ' nice block' to the other player??? NO. They'd be out to kill you the rest of the game.


Whatever you say, Killer. :lol: :lol:

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Eesh. They were in command of this game through 5 and then just kept shitting the bed, leaving runners on base and swinging at bad pitches early in the count.

Wasted Anderson's 3-for-4 game.

You could kind of sense that happening.


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I'm ready to move on from Encarnacion. You could give him more time in a 162 game season, like he got last year when he finally figured it out a little. Mazara should sit much more and Engel should be playing. I can't believe I'm saying that but Engel has progressed every year he has been in the league. His defense is elite. His offense isn't good enough for a regular RF but this is what you have.

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I'm ready to move on from Encarnacion. You could give him more time in a 162 game season, like he got last year when he finally figured it out a little. Mazara should sit much more and Engel should be playing. I can't believe I'm saying that but Engel has progressed every year he has been in the league. His defense is elite. His offense isn't good enough for a regular RF but this is what you have.

I agree. I like that they mix in little scrappers like Madrigal and Mendick amongst the guys who swat for the fences, though, and Anderson is a perfect mix of both.

I really hope that Vaughn kid turns out to be the real deal, but hitting big league pitching is a whole 'nother animal than what you see in college ball.

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If Encarnacion is going to play, he has to bat 7th. Stick Eloy, Robert, and the catcher at 4/5/6.

Anderson, Moncada, Abreu, Jimenez, Robert, catcher, DH, RF, Madrigal.

If Moncada is still out, then fine move Grandal to 2 and move Encarnacion to 6. But no higher.

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I think I'd just ride the James McCann hot streak and have the two catchers switch out at DH. I'm to the point of releasing EE.

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If Encarnacion is going to play, he has to bat 7th. Stick Eloy, Robert, and the catcher at 4/5/6.

Anderson, Moncada, Abreu, Jimenez, Robert, catcher, DH, RF, Madrigal.

If Moncada is still out, then fine move Grandal to 2 and move Encarnacion to 6. But no higher.

I would put Madrigal at #2. You want a guy who sees a lot of pitches, doesn't strike out and makes contact there.

Don't know why Rent Maria hasn't done this yet.

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Because then your DH is batting 8th.

Madrigal needs a little more doubles power to be a viable #2 with this roster. He is a good fit at 9.

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Because then your DH is batting 8th.

Madrigal needs a little more doubles power to be a viable #2 with this roster. He is a good fit at 9.


Yeah. He right now is not nearly good enough to bat 2nd in their line-up. It like having another lead off person in the line-up with his speed. But he is basically a singles hitter with no gap power. And this may sound unpopular, but I really do not see all the fuss was about him as a #1 draft pick. I know that I'm probably in the minority on this but this guy is going to have to really get stronger to be an average MLB player in my estimation.

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I'm ready to move on from Encarnacion. You could give him more time in a 162 game season, like he got last year when he finally figured it out a little. Mazara should sit much more and Engel should be playing. I can't believe I'm saying that but Engel has progressed every year he has been in the league. His defense is elite. His offense isn't good enough for a regular RF but this is what you have.

I think you stick it out with Encarnacion, just switch him with Robert. His history is much like Abreu with the hot and cold streaks. There's 24 games left. DFAing him won't sit well in the clubhouse. Benching him will not sit well with him. He'll start bellyaching.

Just move him down where Robert is and move up Robert.

This was a bad signing and everything I worried about came to pass. Just have to hope he catches fire.


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Mazara should sit much more and Engel should be playing. I can't believe I'm saying that but Engel has progressed every year he has been in the league. His defense is elite. His offense isn't good enough for a regular RF but this is what you have.


That misplay by Mazara on Cave's hit last night was brutal. And his bat isn't compensating for his poor fielding right now. Engel appears to be the better option.

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Mazara should sit much more and Engel should be playing. I can't believe I'm saying that but Engel has progressed every year he has been in the league. His defense is elite. His offense isn't good enough for a regular RF but this is what you have.


That misplay by Mazara on Cave's hit last night was brutal. And his bat isn't compensating for his poor fielding right now. Engel appears to be the better option.

Appears to be a bum. He's 6'4" 215 with zero HR. Even Joe Borchard ran into one now and then.


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Mazara should sit much more and Engel should be playing. I can't believe I'm saying that but Engel has progressed every year he has been in the league. His defense is elite. His offense isn't good enough for a regular RF but this is what you have.


That misplay by Mazara on Cave's hit last night was brutal. And his bat isn't compensating for his poor fielding right now. Engel appears to be the better option.

Appears to be a bum. He's 6'4" 215 with zero HR. Even Joe Borchard ran into one now and then.


I do give him a bit of a break as he had COVID during summer camp, which may be affecting his entire season.

Still, you can't stick with him if he is this weak. He may be a cheap RF option for next year but right now Engel is the better player.

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Nardi wrote:
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Mazara should sit much more and Engel should be playing. I can't believe I'm saying that but Engel has progressed every year he has been in the league. His defense is elite. His offense isn't good enough for a regular RF but this is what you have.


That misplay by Mazara on Cave's hit last night was brutal. And his bat isn't compensating for his poor fielding right now. Engel appears to be the better option.

Appears to be a bum. He's 6'4" 215 with zero HR. Even Joe Borchard ran into one now and then.


He's been coming awake in the last couple of weeks and has gotten several big hits including yesterday that were wasted. Also, he has played a very good right field the entire season with the missed angle on Cave's hit an exception. Truth, though, is that even if he had taken a deeper angle on that drive, it would have been likely that the hit would have probably been a double anyway by the time he would have gloved the ball with his momentum taking him away from 2nd base, stopping himself, and then having to do a 180 and throw to 2nd base. Doubt he or anyone could have held that ball to a single.

Truthfully, I do not understand the power drought by him. When you hit 20 home runs a season in less than full seasons for 4 years straight, that is remarkable consistency. I really cannot understand how that suddenly stops? HE's also only 25 years old so age isn't any kind of factor. Its like he has forgot how to pull and elevate the ball. He makes contact and doesn't strike out. Maybe it is mental? HE is a disappointment as is EE. But this notion that Engel should be playing in his place isn't right either. Engel two games ago let a ball go right through him to the wall that almost cost them the game so everyone makes errors.

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Madrigal at 9 is a big plus to the line-up. Right now the Sox have a lot of guys who are not major league hitters in key spots. DH and Right Field are supposed to be run producers. Encarnacion is good for a solo home run every ten days, and it feel like a major coup if Mazara hits a single ever now and then. Add Sanchez to the line-up with Moncada out, and it has a lot of holes. Especially when Abreu has an off night.

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Madrigal at 9 is a big plus to the line-up. Right now the Sox have a lot of guys who are not major league hitters in key spots. DH and Right Field are supposed to be run producers. Encarnacion is good for a solo home run every ten days, and it feel like a major coup if Mazara hits a single ever now and then. Add Sanchez to the line-up with Moncada out, and it has a lot of holes. Especially when Abreu has an off night.


That is how I see it and said a similar thing to your post yesterday. Frankly I think that Mazara/Engle thing will work its way out in that Mazara is starting to hit although not with power. I actually did not know that he had the virus until a post today mentioned that he did so that can explain his lost ability to hit home runs. He also has shown that he is okay against left handed pitchers as witnessed the last couple of days.

Losing a healthy Moncada has been their big loss though. Hopefully this rest will let him mend and I wish that Renteria would have done it earlier against Pittsburgh and KC. Sanchez must be Renteria's long lost son, though. He adds nothing to this team other than another ball boy.

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Mazara should sit much more and Engel should be playing. I can't believe I'm saying that but Engel has progressed every year he has been in the league. His defense is elite. His offense isn't good enough for a regular RF but this is what you have.


That misplay by Mazara on Cave's hit last night was brutal. And his bat isn't compensating for his poor fielding right now. Engel appears to be the better option.

Appears to be a bum. He's 6'4" 215 with zero HR. Even Joe Borchard ran into one now and then.


He's been coming awake in the last couple of weeks and has gotten several big hits including yesterday that were wasted. Also, he has played a very good right field the entire season with the missed angle on Cave's hit an exception. Truth, though, is that even if he had taken a deeper angle on that drive, it would have been likely that the hit would have probably been a double anyway by the time he would have gloved the ball with his momentum taking him away from 2nd base, stopping himself, and then having to do a 180 and throw to 2nd base. Doubt he or anyone could have held that ball to a single.

Truthfully, I do not understand the power drought by him. When you hit 20 home runs a season in less than full seasons for 4 years straight, that is remarkable consistency. I really cannot understand how that suddenly stops? HE's also only 25 years old so age isn't any kind of factor. Its like he has forgot how to pull and elevate the ball. He makes contact and doesn't strike out. Maybe it is mental? HE is a disappointment as is EE. But this notion that Engel should be playing in his place isn't right either. Engel two games ago let a ball go right through him to the wall that almost cost them the game so everyone makes errors.

Half of his hits are dribblers or swinging bunts. That K to end the game he had a giant loop in his swing. I don't know what his problem is, but he needs a Fred Flinstone bat.

His career dwar -4.2. It would be worse if not for his good arm. He is objectively shaky out there. Not Eloy shaky, but enough to make your heart skip a beat when something hard is hit out there. The ONLY way you can live with that shakiness is for him to be the back of his baseball card offensively. Which is also objectively extremely average for his position.

But, just like EE, it is what it is. 24 games left. You sit and hope they figure it out in time for the playoffs.


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Madrigal at 9 is a big plus to the line-up. Right now the Sox have a lot of guys who are not major league hitters in key spots. DH and Right Field are supposed to be run producers. Encarnacion is good for a solo home run every ten days, and it feel like a major coup if Mazara hits a single ever now and then. Add Sanchez to the line-up with Moncada out, and it has a lot of holes. Especially when Abreu has an off night.


That is how I see it and said a similar thing to your post yesterday. Frankly I think that Mazara/Engle thing will work its way out in that Mazara is starting to hit although not with power. I actually did not know that he had the virus until a post today mentioned that he did so that can explain his lost ability to hit home runs. He also has shown that he is okay against left handed pitchers as witnessed the last couple of days.

Losing a healthy Moncada has been their big loss though. Hopefully this rest will let him mend and I wish that Renteria would have done it earlier against Pittsburgh and KC. Sanchez must be Renteria's long lost son, though. He adds nothing to this team other than another ball boy.

Sanchez is a GGer and Mendick is back to being a AAA player. He's been awful for at least 2 weeks. That's why Yolmer is here.


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Madrigal at 9 is a big plus to the line-up. Right now the Sox have a lot of guys who are not major league hitters in key spots. DH and Right Field are supposed to be run producers. Encarnacion is good for a solo home run every ten days, and it feel like a major coup if Mazara hits a single ever now and then. Add Sanchez to the line-up with Moncada out, and it has a lot of holes. Especially when Abreu has an off night.


That is how I see it and said a similar thing to your post yesterday. Frankly I think that Mazara/Engle thing will work its way out in that Mazara is starting to hit although not with power. I actually did not know that he had the virus until a post today mentioned that he did so that can explain his lost ability to hit home runs. He also has shown that he is okay against left handed pitchers as witnessed the last couple of days.

Losing a healthy Moncada has been their big loss though. Hopefully this rest will let him mend and I wish that Renteria would have done it earlier against Pittsburgh and KC. Sanchez must be Renteria's long lost son, though. He adds nothing to this team other than another ball boy.

Sanchez is a GGer and Mendick is back to being a AAA player. He's been awful for at least 2 weeks. That's why Yolmer is here.


Mendick had a couple of bad games offensively but has played an outstanding defense this year both at 2nd base and at short and 3rd. As for Yolmer, he is worse than Mendick offensively with no pop in his bat whatsoever. With both he and Madrigal in the line-up together it is like facing two little leaguers if you are a pitcher.

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Madrigal at 9 is a big plus to the line-up. Right now the Sox have a lot of guys who are not major league hitters in key spots. DH and Right Field are supposed to be run producers. Encarnacion is good for a solo home run every ten days, and it feel like a major coup if Mazara hits a single ever now and then. Add Sanchez to the line-up with Moncada out, and it has a lot of holes. Especially when Abreu has an off night.


That is how I see it and said a similar thing to your post yesterday. Frankly I think that Mazara/Engle thing will work its way out in that Mazara is starting to hit although not with power. I actually did not know that he had the virus until a post today mentioned that he did so that can explain his lost ability to hit home runs. He also has shown that he is okay against left handed pitchers as witnessed the last couple of days.

Losing a healthy Moncada has been their big loss though. Hopefully this rest will let him mend and I wish that Renteria would have done it earlier against Pittsburgh and KC. Sanchez must be Renteria's long lost son, though. He adds nothing to this team other than another ball boy.

Sanchez is a GGer and Mendick is back to being a AAA player. He's been awful for at least 2 weeks. That's why Yolmer is here.


Mendick had a couple of bad games offensively but has played an outstanding defense this year both at 2nd base and at short and 3rd. As for Yolmer, he is worse than Mendick offensively with no pop in his bat whatsoever. With both he and Madrigal in the line-up together it is like facing two little leaguers if you are a pitcher.

A couple games? More like 10. He's hitting .184 over the last 2 weeks. I'd rather have the GG veteran with 2000 MLB ABs on the squad come playoff time.


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Nardi wrote:
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Madrigal at 9 is a big plus to the line-up. Right now the Sox have a lot of guys who are not major league hitters in key spots. DH and Right Field are supposed to be run producers. Encarnacion is good for a solo home run every ten days, and it feel like a major coup if Mazara hits a single ever now and then. Add Sanchez to the line-up with Moncada out, and it has a lot of holes. Especially when Abreu has an off night.


That is how I see it and said a similar thing to your post yesterday. Frankly I think that Mazara/Engle thing will work its way out in that Mazara is starting to hit although not with power. I actually did not know that he had the virus until a post today mentioned that he did so that can explain his lost ability to hit home runs. He also has shown that he is okay against left handed pitchers as witnessed the last couple of days.

Losing a healthy Moncada has been their big loss though. Hopefully this rest will let him mend and I wish that Renteria would have done it earlier against Pittsburgh and KC. Sanchez must be Renteria's long lost son, though. He adds nothing to this team other than another ball boy.

Sanchez is a GGer and Mendick is back to being a AAA player. He's been awful for at least 2 weeks. That's why Yolmer is here.


Mendick had a couple of bad games offensively but has played an outstanding defense this year both at 2nd base and at short and 3rd. As for Yolmer, he is worse than Mendick offensively with no pop in his bat whatsoever. With both he and Madrigal in the line-up together it is like facing two little leaguers if you are a pitcher.

A couple games? More like 10. He's hitting .184 over the last 2 weeks. I'd rather have the GG veteran with 2000 MLB ABs on the squad come playoff time.

As much as I like Mendick, I have to agree.


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Madrigal at 9 is a big plus to the line-up. Right now the Sox have a lot of guys who are not major league hitters in key spots. DH and Right Field are supposed to be run producers. Encarnacion is good for a solo home run every ten days, and it feel like a major coup if Mazara hits a single ever now and then. Add Sanchez to the line-up with Moncada out, and it has a lot of holes. Especially when Abreu has an off night.


That is how I see it and said a similar thing to your post yesterday. Frankly I think that Mazara/Engle thing will work its way out in that Mazara is starting to hit although not with power. I actually did not know that he had the virus until a post today mentioned that he did so that can explain his lost ability to hit home runs. He also has shown that he is okay against left handed pitchers as witnessed the last couple of days.

Losing a healthy Moncada has been their big loss though. Hopefully this rest will let him mend and I wish that Renteria would have done it earlier against Pittsburgh and KC. Sanchez must be Renteria's long lost son, though. He adds nothing to this team other than another ball boy.

Sanchez is a GGer and Mendick is back to being a AAA player. He's been awful for at least 2 weeks. That's why Yolmer is here.


Mendick had a couple of bad games offensively but has played an outstanding defense this year both at 2nd base and at short and 3rd. As for Yolmer, he is worse than Mendick offensively with no pop in his bat whatsoever. With both he and Madrigal in the line-up together it is like facing two little leaguers if you are a pitcher.

A couple games? More like 10. He's hitting .184 over the last 2 weeks. I'd rather have the GG veteran with 2000 MLB ABs on the squad come playoff time.


That is a very misleading statistic. He was hitting good until his last few games where he got the collar. That is the problem in the .184 average over a two week period and it is misleading. I'd rather have Mendick who can play all the infield spots and play them well rather than Sanchez is a 2nd baseman period.

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Sanchez can play every spot, and he’s likely better than Mendick.

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Because then your DH is batting 8th.

Madrigal needs a little more doubles power to be a viable #2 with this roster. He is a good fit at 9.


Yeah. He right now is not nearly good enough to bat 2nd in their line-up. It like having another lead off person in the line-up with his speed. But he is basically a singles hitter with no gap power. And this may sound unpopular, but I really do not see all the fuss was about him as a #1 draft pick. I know that I'm probably in the minority on this but this guy is going to have to really get stronger to be an average MLB player in my estimation.

I said the same basic thing about him needing to get stronger yesterday.

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I'm ready to move on from Encarnacion. You could give him more time in a 162 game season, like he got last year when he finally figured it out a little. Mazara should sit much more and Engel should be playing. I can't believe I'm saying that but Engel has progressed every year he has been in the league. His defense is elite. His offense isn't good enough for a regular RF but this is what you have.

I think you stick it out with Encarnacion, just switch him with Robert. His history is much like Abreu with the hot and cold streaks. There's 24 games left. DFAing him won't sit well in the clubhouse. Benching him will not sit well with him. He'll start bellyaching.

Just move him down where Robert is and move up Robert.

This was a bad signing and everything I worried about came to pass. Just have to hope he catches fire.

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Sanchez can play every spot, and he’s likely better than Mendick.


He is a terrible 3B and a below average SS. He's good defensively at 2B. And he sure has not shown himself to be a good hitter in his entire history especially a hitter with power.

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Madrigal at 9 is a big plus to the line-up. Right now the Sox have a lot of guys who are not major league hitters in key spots. DH and Right Field are supposed to be run producers. Encarnacion is good for a solo home run every ten days, and it feel like a major coup if Mazara hits a single ever now and then. Add Sanchez to the line-up with Moncada out, and it has a lot of holes. Especially when Abreu has an off night.


That is how I see it and said a similar thing to your post yesterday. Frankly I think that Mazara/Engle thing will work its way out in that Mazara is starting to hit although not with power. I actually did not know that he had the virus until a post today mentioned that he did so that can explain his lost ability to hit home runs. He also has shown that he is okay against left handed pitchers as witnessed the last couple of days.

Losing a healthy Moncada has been their big loss though. Hopefully this rest will let him mend and I wish that Renteria would have done it earlier against Pittsburgh and KC. Sanchez must be Renteria's long lost son, though. He adds nothing to this team other than another ball boy.

Sanchez is a GGer and Mendick is back to being a AAA player. He's been awful for at least 2 weeks. That's why Yolmer is here.


Mendick had a couple of bad games offensively but has played an outstanding defense this year both at 2nd base and at short and 3rd. As for Yolmer, he is worse than Mendick offensively with no pop in his bat whatsoever. With both he and Madrigal in the line-up together it is like facing two little leaguers if you are a pitcher.

A couple games? More like 10. He's hitting .184 over the last 2 weeks. I'd rather have the GG veteran with 2000 MLB ABs on the squad come playoff time.


That is a very misleading statistic. He was hitting good until his last few games where he got the collar. That is the problem in the .184 average over a two week period and it is misleading. I'd rather have Mendick who can play all the infield spots and play them well rather than Sanchez is a 2nd baseman period.

You're right, that was misleading. He's stunk since Aug 11(3 weeks) .196 avg .245 OBP


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