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Did he leave the family "alone" or "a loan"?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 8:12 pm 
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Ken, when you have a chance, can you break down the Hank Jr. song, "There's a tear in my Beer"/

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Hawg Ass wrote:
Ken, when you have a chance, can you break down the Hank Jr. song, "There's a tear in my Beer"/

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Don't know it.

And Zippy made a great It's a Wonderful Life reference and I totally missed it.

I'm like Willie Mays on the Mets.

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Hawg Ass wrote:
Ken, when you have a chance, can you break down the Hank Jr. song, "There's a tear in my Beer"/

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If he's gonna break down a hank Williams Jr song, a better choice would be "Canyonero".

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Just let your imagination run away once again.


I thought I broke down Papa Was A Rolling Stone in a careful and methodical manner.

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wait...wherever he laid his head was his home? :scratch: Never mind.

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My Papa wasn't a Rolling Stone.

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Hawg Ass wrote:
My Papa wasn't a Rolling Stone.

Was he a rolling pig?
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
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Disagree.

Yeah I edited my post and I regret the error.

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Hawg Ass wrote:
My Papa wasn't a Rolling Stone.


Ringo?

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JustAGayGuy wrote:
Hawg Ass wrote:
My Papa wasn't a Rolling Stone.

Was he a rolling pig?
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Way more accurate

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Hawg Ass wrote:
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My Papa wasn't a Rolling Stone.

Was he a rolling pig?
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Way more accurate

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Most enjoyable thread in a long while around here. Kind of a low bar, but still...


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And look, it is very clear. Black men were not often given credit by banks in the 60's, so it is doubtful that he was given any sort of loan. Plus, the recipients of that loan would receive cash, and also probably be held not responsible for the deceased's debt. I could be wrong but I gotta pee...

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"Papa Was a Rolling Stone" is a masterpiece, but I've always liked "Across 110th Street" better (as far as songs about the post-60s inner city go).

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the debt of a loan isn't assignable

When he died, all debts would be paid out of the estate but the overage wouldn't be a burden onto those who didn't agree to the loan. Property may have been taken as collateral for the loan but that should have always been contemplated.

"A loan" scenario is ridiculous. At worst, when he died, he would have left them nothing

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the debt of a loan isn't assignable

When he died, all debts would be paid out of the estate but the overage wouldn't be a burden onto those who didn't agree to the loan. Property may have been taken as collateral for the loan but that should have always been contemplated.

"A loan" scenario is ridiculous. At worst, when he died, he would have left them nothing


What if he had taken out a 2nd mortgage on the home before he passed because he was chasing women and drinking?

Wouldn't the family still be on the hook to take care of that or lose the home?

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"Papa Was a Rolling Stone" is a masterpiece, but I've always liked "Across 110th Street" better (as far as songs about the post-60s inner city go).


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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
the debt of a loan isn't assignable

When he died, all debts would be paid out of the estate but the overage wouldn't be a burden onto those who didn't agree to the loan. Property may have been taken as collateral for the loan but that should have always been contemplated.

"A loan" scenario is ridiculous. At worst, when he died, he would have left them nothing


What if he had taken out a 2nd mortgage on the home before he passed because he was chasing women and drinking?

Wouldn't the family still be on the hook to take care of that or lose the home?


What if he took out a loan from a loan shark?

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Tall Midget wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
the debt of a loan isn't assignable

When he died, all debts would be paid out of the estate but the overage wouldn't be a burden onto those who didn't agree to the loan. Property may have been taken as collateral for the loan but that should have always been contemplated.

"A loan" scenario is ridiculous. At worst, when he died, he would have left them nothing


What if he had taken out a 2nd mortgage on the home before he passed because he was chasing women and drinking?

Wouldn't the family still be on the hook to take care of that or lose the home?


What if he took out a loan from a loan shark?

You know how long it would take to pay that back one fin at a time?

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Tall Midget wrote:
What if he took out a loan from a loan shark?


I would think he would have had to.

The man never worked a day in his life.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
I had a shit day. Let me unload the brain.

We can dissect another Temptations song if that makes everyone more comfortable - since I solved this one.

No, next you have to dissect Aja.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
What if he took out a loan from a loan shark?


I would think he would have had to.

The man never worked a day in his life.


Indeed, a person of Papa's financial standing is unlikely to obtain monetary resources through the "legitimate" economy. He would undoubtedly need to conduct his financial transactions through a shadow economy (as represented in the figure of the loan shark), part of the "illegitimate" social world that he almost exclusively inhabits. From this perspective, we must see Papa not as enforcer of the law and cornerstone of the reigning social structure--as in, say, Lacanian psychoanalysis, though we might be able to extend this thinking to the structuralism of Levi-Strauss--but as a symptom of chaos and a force for social disorder. As a result, it is a virtual certainty that the only legacy Papa has left for his legitimate family is a lifetime of illegitimate debt that will only serve to plunge his son into the shadow world of the informal economy from which his mother has sought to protect him. In this case, it is indeed "a loan" that the son inherits from the father, but this loan is not a gateway to economic freedom; rather, it is simply insurance that the parallel (anti)social world he embodies--built upon a foundation of false hope and deception--will be reproduced in future generations. Papa is most certainly a "rolling stone", and his momentum leads in only one direction--downhill.

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And look, it is very clear. Black men were not often given credit by banks in the 60's, so it is doubtful that he was given any sort of loan.

I guess that Friendly Bob Adams wasn't that friendly after all.

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the loan is an emotional one. he's still got them entangled forever, and it gets worse all the time, with interest, the way psychological pain compounds itself over time. maybe they also found out he wasn't half Cherokee like he used to say he was.


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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
What if he took out a loan from a loan shark?


I would think he would have had to.

The man never worked a day in his life.


maybe he took out a PPP

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Tall Midget wrote:
"Papa Was a Rolling Stone" is a masterpiece, but I've always liked "Across 110th Street" better (as far as songs about the post-60s inner city go).


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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
the debt of a loan isn't assignable

When he died, all debts would be paid out of the estate but the overage wouldn't be a burden onto those who didn't agree to the loan. Property may have been taken as collateral for the loan but that should have always been contemplated.

"A loan" scenario is ridiculous. At worst, when he died, he would have left them nothing


What if he had taken out a 2nd mortgage on the home before he passed because he was chasing women and drinking?

Wouldn't the family still be on the hook to take care of that or lose the home?


no one is giving a mortgage unless it includes everyone on title specifically because the collateral interest is next to worthless. Maybe you get paid 30 years from now if the house sells. Maybe the rest of the title holders just transfer it with no sale and let you hold your note for 100 years

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