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I still want a single Cub fan to state the truth. Rizzoli less than Konerko.


Rizzo's back has given up on him.

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Great season. Be proud.

Nah.

It was pretty terrible after the first 17 games.

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They needed to sign Costellanos and trade Swarbs for whatever.


This is a point that is not getting enough attention. He was the one guy who should have been kept.


Let's give Castellanos some credit. He saw what the cubs really were and decided not to sign here, even if he was given a contract he'd probably say fuck no.


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Alright, dude. Cubs got swept again. Great day today!

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Alright, dude. Cubs got swept again. Great day today!


the wsox playoff ousting was more gut wrenching if you're a fan of the team.. They should have easily handled that punch and judy A's team.

We all knew this is how the cubs were going down. Seen it last 3 years.


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Great season. Be proud.


No, you be proud Brick. You and managements vision of a greater board is truly inspiring. Filtering and moving threads around was an amazing feat.

Maybe in 10 more years you guys will discover how to judge a post with likes and dislikes or dare we dream of moving this to a different platform that wasn't invented in the 90's.

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I still want a single Cub fan to state the truth. Rizzoli less than Konerko.

Oh definitely true. Although Konerko did have some stinker half season stretches in there.

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Bryant, Baez, Rizzo were a combined 1-24.

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Isn’t Rizzo 100x the fielder Konerko was or am I remembering wrong?

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dont forget they fucked up a lot of these players last 3 years batting them lead off.


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Brick wrote:
Great season. Be proud.


No, you be proud Brick. You and managements vision of a greater board is truly inspiring. Filtering and moving threads around was an amazing feat.

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Jbi11s wrote:
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Great season. Be proud.

Nah.

It was pretty terrible after the first 17 games.


What do you think contributed to the first 17 games? Did they just give a fuck for that long and lose interest?

No injuries except for Bryant and he wasn't hitting during that streak.... or after.

Can't say it was bad teams because they played bad teams more then good ones after that.


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Juiced wrote:
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Brick wrote:
Great season. Be proud.

Nah.

It was pretty terrible after the first 17 games.


What do you think contributed to the first 17 games? Did they just give a fuck for that long and lose interest?

No injuries except for Bryant and he wasn't hitting during that streak.... or after.

Can't say it was bad teams because they played bad teams more then good ones after that.


they did well the first 15 games or so because they had a new manager. this always happens in the regular season when a manager gets fired and replaced with a new manager. the club goes on a winning streak or mini winning streak or just starts to play better. But eventually that wears off and the team goes back to being shit.

I think that's what happened w/ the Cubs this year.


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Jbi11s wrote:
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Great season. Be proud.


No, you be proud Brick. You and managements vision of a greater board is truly inspiring. Filtering and moving threads around was an amazing feat.

Maybe in 10 more years you guys will discover how to judge a post with likes and dislikes or dare we dream of moving this to a different platform that wasn't invented in the 90's.

10/10

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Juiced wrote:
Jbi11s wrote:
Brick wrote:
Great season. Be proud.

Nah.

It was pretty terrible after the first 17 games.


What do you think contributed to the first 17 games? Did they just give a fuck for that long and lose interest?

No injuries except for Bryant and he wasn't hitting during that streak.... or after.

Can't say it was bad teams because they played bad teams more then good ones after that.

Something happened.

This team has always had a problem with burnout when they play too MANY games all at once.

I find it hard to believe all the proven hitters just all of a sudden got figured out.

They could have just been hot to start the year without using the video between innings like they’ve been used to, and once the league adjusted to them maybe they couldn’t adjust back without the video Javy was bitching about not having.

There could also be chemistry issues with most of the guys knowing they won’t be together next year, and egos getting involved.

Idk if we’ll be able to piece this season together until parts of this roster land in other cities, and start talking about the differences compared to the Cubs.

All we can do now is what we do best.

Speculate like gossiping women.

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If I am Tom Ricketts, I get on a plane and fly to Nashville and have a long lunch with Ben Zobrist and just let Ben describe what needs to happen.

I may not blindly do it all, but I at least listen without Theo or Jed knowing about it.

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Everything started to unravel when the Brewers took their minor league pitching coordinator years ago. He knew their organizational approach to hitting and used it against them. It worked masterfully as the brewers began to own them and strike them out at record rates with shitty pitchers like Zach Davies. Other teams took notice now that the book was out on them. The cubs hitters and front office have been too god damn stubborn to adjust and here we are.

I think most of these guys need fresh starts elsewhere. Conetreras, Bryant and Schwarber need to go. Rizzo is a smart enough hitter to survive their terrible organizational strategy, Javy is too damn exciting in other aspects of the game to get rid of him. Happ showed some good things and is a dynamic enough player to stay. This should be fixable provided theo pisses off after the season. Trade Conetreras for something of substance. Trade Bryant and Scwarber for a few small but helpful pieces and then sign some actual hitters and not softball players full of launch angle and k's.

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Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
If I am Tom Ricketts, I get on a plane and fly to Nashville and have a long lunch with Ben Zobrist and just let Ben describe what needs to happen.

I may not blindly do it all, but I at least listen without Theo or Jed knowing about it.


You really say some dumb shit sometimes.

This is definitely one of them.


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Everything started to unravel when the Brewers took their minor league pitching coordinator years ago. He knew their organizational approach to hitting and used it against them. It worked masterfully as the brewers began to own them and strike them out at record rates with shitty pitchers like Zach Davies. Other teams took notice now that the book was out on them. The cubs hitters and front office have been too god damn stubborn to adjust and here we are.

I think most of these guys need fresh starts elsewhere. Conetreras, Bryant and Schwarber need to go. Rizzo is a smart enough hitter to survive their terrible organizational strategy, Javy is too damn exciting in other aspects of the game to get rid of him. Happ showed some good things and is a dynamic enough player to stay. This should be fixable provided theo pisses off after the season. Trade Conetreras for something of substance. Trade Bryant and Scwarber for a few small but helpful pieces and then sign some actual hitters and not softball players full of launch angle and k's.

And who is executing these trades?

Armchair GMing is so easy but (a) you can’t let Jed or Theo make any trades. And (b) the Cubs simply aren’t getting anything of value for any of these pieces.

Cubs are fucked for the next 3-5 years minimum


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I forget who but someone on the score said today you trade happ for sure and probably also Heyward. I wanna say this was around 545 or so this afternoon.
Ok fine. Happ. But Heyward? How the hell you gonna find someone dumb enough to pay him 21.5 million for the next three years each for his dog food offense?
Especially because of his absolutely ridiculously bad postseason record.
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Nobody is taking Heyward. Nobody. Not unless they have a massive head wound.

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Crick Ramp wrote:
Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
If I am Tom Ricketts, I get on a plane and fly to Nashville and have a long lunch with Ben Zobrist and just let Ben describe what needs to happen.

I may not blindly do it all, but I at least listen without Theo or Jed knowing about it.


You really say some dumb shit sometimes.

This is definitely one of them.


What’s wrong w what he said?


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I forget who but someone on the score said today you trade happ for sure and probably also Heyward. I wanna say this was around 545 or so this afternoon.
Ok fine. Happ. But Heyward? How the hell you gonna find someone dumb enough to pay him 21.5 million for the next three years each for his dog food offense?
Especially because of his absolutely ridiculously bad postseason record.
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Nobody is taking Heyward. Nobody. Not unless they have a massive head wound.


Someone who needs leadership in the clubhouse on a young team that doesn’t respect the manager. Hmmmmmm.....


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HawaiiYou wrote:
JustAGayGuy wrote:
I forget who but someone on the score said today you trade happ for sure and probably also Heyward. I wanna say this was around 545 or so this afternoon.
Ok fine. Happ. But Heyward? How the hell you gonna find someone dumb enough to pay him 21.5 million for the next three years each for his dog food offense?
Especially because of his absolutely ridiculously bad postseason record.
.144 .201 .232
Nobody is taking Heyward. Nobody. Not unless they have a massive head wound.


Someone who needs leadership in the clubhouse on a young team that doesn’t respect the manager. Hmmmmmm.....

Yeah... no.

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HawaiiYou wrote:
Crick Ramp wrote:
Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
If I am Tom Ricketts, I get on a plane and fly to Nashville and have a long lunch with Ben Zobrist and just let Ben describe what needs to happen.

I may not blindly do it all, but I at least listen without Theo or Jed knowing about it.


You really say some dumb shit sometimes.

This is definitely one of them.


What’s wrong w what he said?

No one gives a fuck what Ben Zobrist thinks.

His opinion is irrelevant and he’s not gonna tell the hard truth about former teammates and Ricketts doesn’t have the interest in making those moves.


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Crick Ramp wrote:
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Everything started to unravel when the Brewers took their minor league pitching coordinator years ago. He knew their organizational approach to hitting and used it against them. It worked masterfully as the brewers began to own them and strike them out at record rates with shitty pitchers like Zach Davies. Other teams took notice now that the book was out on them. The cubs hitters and front office have been too god damn stubborn to adjust and here we are.

I think most of these guys need fresh starts elsewhere. Conetreras, Bryant and Schwarber need to go. Rizzo is a smart enough hitter to survive their terrible organizational strategy, Javy is too damn exciting in other aspects of the game to get rid of him. Happ showed some good things and is a dynamic enough player to stay. This should be fixable provided theo pisses off after the season. Trade Conetreras for something of substance. Trade Bryant and Scwarber for a few small but helpful pieces and then sign some actual hitters and not softball players full of launch angle and k's.

And who is executing these trades?

Armchair GMing is so easy but (a) you can’t let Jed or Theo make any trades. And (b) the Cubs simply aren’t getting anything of value for any of these pieces.

Cubs are fucked for the next 3-5 years minimum


The first order of business is to figure out who is going to be running the baseball operations and who is going to be the GM going forward. Theo has a year left but he could also move on this year instead of having a lame duck year.

The second order of business is going to be to swallow some pride so you don't have to swallow your wallet. They have something like 75 mil committed next year if they were to not exercise all of the team options. They can non tender the entire core and not exercise the option on Rizzo next year if they wanted it. They won't do that but I bet you see a few of them either non tendered or traded for small pieces. The point is that they are not screwed for the next 3-5 years unless they decide to pay all of these underperformers. If they non tender Bryant that frees up a good 20 mil. The Brewers could cobble together half a lineup with 20 mil and win games with them.

This is what I hope they do.

Bryant- see what is out there as far as a trade. There has to be a way to take back a little salary or take some low level prospects to make a deal. If they can't find any takers then non tender him. He is gone in a year anyways.

Rizzo- Do not exercise option. Either sign a new deal for less money or let him sail. He is too streaky and his back is always acting up now. For being a clubhouse leader he doesn't get shit for performance out of his teammates.

Javy- Try to sign him long term while his value is low. He is an attraction and excels in all areas of the game and can usually hit.

Schwarber- same as bryant. Get anything you can or non tender him.

Contreras- This is probably the only chip you can trade that you want to trade. He is extremely talented but he is a fucking idiot and its very hard to win with a catcher who is a fucking idiot. His catching was better this year but he launches half his throws into the outfield and his hitting approach is brutal and his baserunning is some of the worst in the league. He will get you the biggest return. Vic is a decent catcher and Amaya is not that far away so he is absolutely replaceable.

Lester- thanks for the memories but its over. i dont even want him back on a cheap deal after not exercising the option.

Those are some bold decisions for the GM to make but they are on the table and while these guys are the "core" the have been atrocious as a whole for the last 3 years.

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Urlacher's missing neck wrote:
Crick Ramp wrote:
Urlacher's missing neck wrote:
Everything started to unravel when the Brewers took their minor league pitching coordinator years ago. He knew their organizational approach to hitting and used it against them. It worked masterfully as the brewers began to own them and strike them out at record rates with shitty pitchers like Zach Davies. Other teams took notice now that the book was out on them. The cubs hitters and front office have been too god damn stubborn to adjust and here we are.

I think most of these guys need fresh starts elsewhere. Conetreras, Bryant and Schwarber need to go. Rizzo is a smart enough hitter to survive their terrible organizational strategy, Javy is too damn exciting in other aspects of the game to get rid of him. Happ showed some good things and is a dynamic enough player to stay. This should be fixable provided theo pisses off after the season. Trade Conetreras for something of substance. Trade Bryant and Scwarber for a few small but helpful pieces and then sign some actual hitters and not softball players full of launch angle and k's.

And who is executing these trades?

Armchair GMing is so easy but (a) you can’t let Jed or Theo make any trades. And (b) the Cubs simply aren’t getting anything of value for any of these pieces.

Cubs are fucked for the next 3-5 years minimum


The first order of business is to figure out who is going to be running the baseball operations and who is going to be the GM going forward. Theo has a year left but he could also move on this year instead of having a lame duck year.

The second order of business is going to be to swallow some pride so you don't have to swallow your wallet. They have something like 75 mil committed next year if they were to not exercise all of the team options. They can non tender the entire core and not exercise the option on Rizzo next year if they wanted it. They won't do that but I bet you see a few of them either non tendered or traded for small pieces. The point is that they are not screwed for the next 3-5 years unless they decide to pay all of these underperformers. If they non tender Bryant that frees up a good 20 mil. The Brewers could cobble together half a lineup with 20 mil and win games with them.

This is what I hope they do.

Bryant- see what is out there as far as a trade. There has to be a way to take back a little salary or take some low level prospects to make a deal. If they can't find any takers then non tender him. He is gone in a year anyways.

Rizzo- Do not exercise option. Either sign a new deal for less money or let him sail. He is too streaky and his back is always acting up now. For being a clubhouse leader he doesn't get shit for performance out of his teammates.

Javy- Try to sign him long term while his value is low. He is an attraction and excels in all areas of the game and can usually hit.

Schwarber- same as bryant. Get anything you can or non tender him.

Contreras- This is probably the only chip you can trade that you want to trade. He is extremely talented but he is a fucking idiot and its very hard to win with a catcher who is a fucking idiot. His catching was better this year but he launches half his throws into the outfield and his hitting approach is brutal and his baserunning is some of the worst in the league. He will get you the biggest return. Vic is a decent catcher and Amaya is not that far away so he is absolutely replaceable.

Lester- thanks for the memories but its over. i dont even want him back on a cheap deal after not exercising the option.

Those are some bold decisions for the GM to make but they are on the table and while these guys are the "core" the have been atrocious as a whole for the last 3 years.


this is good but it's going to be Theo's last year and he'll stick w/ these bums one last season.


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Urlacher's missing neck wrote:
Crick Ramp wrote:
Urlacher's missing neck wrote:
Everything started to unravel when the Brewers took their minor league pitching coordinator years ago. He knew their organizational approach to hitting and used it against them. It worked masterfully as the brewers began to own them and strike them out at record rates with shitty pitchers like Zach Davies. Other teams took notice now that the book was out on them. The cubs hitters and front office have been too god damn stubborn to adjust and here we are.

I think most of these guys need fresh starts elsewhere. Conetreras, Bryant and Schwarber need to go. Rizzo is a smart enough hitter to survive their terrible organizational strategy, Javy is too damn exciting in other aspects of the game to get rid of him. Happ showed some good things and is a dynamic enough player to stay. This should be fixable provided theo pisses off after the season. Trade Conetreras for something of substance. Trade Bryant and Scwarber for a few small but helpful pieces and then sign some actual hitters and not softball players full of launch angle and k's.

And who is executing these trades?

Armchair GMing is so easy but (a) you can’t let Jed or Theo make any trades. And (b) the Cubs simply aren’t getting anything of value for any of these pieces.

Cubs are fucked for the next 3-5 years minimum


The first order of business is to figure out who is going to be running the baseball operations and who is going to be the GM going forward. Theo has a year left but he could also move on this year instead of having a lame duck year.

The second order of business is going to be to swallow some pride so you don't have to swallow your wallet. They have something like 75 mil committed next year if they were to not exercise all of the team options. They can non tender the entire core and not exercise the option on Rizzo next year if they wanted it. They won't do that but I bet you see a few of them either non tendered or traded for small pieces. The point is that they are not screwed for the next 3-5 years unless they decide to pay all of these underperformers. If they non tender Bryant that frees up a good 20 mil. The Brewers could cobble together half a lineup with 20 mil and win games with them.

This is what I hope they do.

Bryant- see what is out there as far as a trade. There has to be a way to take back a little salary or take some low level prospects to make a deal. If they can't find any takers then non tender him. He is gone in a year anyways.

Rizzo- Do not exercise option. Either sign a new deal for less money or let him sail. He is too streaky and his back is always acting up now. For being a clubhouse leader he doesn't get shit for performance out of his teammates.

Javy- Try to sign him long term while his value is low. He is an attraction and excels in all areas of the game and can usually hit.

Schwarber- same as bryant. Get anything you can or non tender him.

Contreras- This is probably the only chip you can trade that you want to trade. He is extremely talented but he is a fucking idiot and its very hard to win with a catcher who is a fucking idiot. His catching was better this year but he launches half his throws into the outfield and his hitting approach is brutal and his baserunning is some of the worst in the league. He will get you the biggest return. Vic is a decent catcher and Amaya is not that far away so he is absolutely replaceable.

Lester- thanks for the memories but its over. i dont even want him back on a cheap deal after not exercising the option.

Those are some bold decisions for the GM to make but they are on the table and while these guys are the "core" the have been atrocious as a whole for the last 3 years.


this is good but it's going to be Theo's last year and he'll stick w/ these bums one last season.
HawaiiYou wrote:
Crick Ramp wrote:
Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
If I am Tom Ricketts, I get on a plane and fly to Nashville and have a long lunch with Ben Zobrist and just let Ben describe what needs to happen.

I may not blindly do it all, but I at least listen without Theo or Jed knowing about it.


You really say some dumb shit sometimes.

This is definitely one of them.


What’s wrong w what he said?

He just doesn't like me.

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Last night Hub was still praising Theo post world series. Blaming Ricketts. Honest Theo talk must be off limits.


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Contreras- This is probably the only chip you can trade that you want to trade. He is extremely talented but he is a fucking idiot and its very hard to win with a catcher who is a fucking idiot. His catching was better this year but he launches half his throws into the outfield and his hitting approach is brutal and his baserunning is some of the worst in the league. He will get you the biggest return. Vic is a decent catcher and Amaya is not that far away so he is absolutely replaceable.



If you are going to takeaway anything from this thread it's this. Contreras is a fucking moron. He may be talented but you cannot win with a bonehead at catcher.


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