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 Post subject: Re: Joe Morgan
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Greatest 2nd basemen I've seen. Very good 2nd man in the booth. Big backer of Ron Santo to the hall of fame. Not shy about using the race card.

Roberto Alomar was better. Sandberg arguably was.


The coward Sandberg couldn't carry his jock.

Sandberg was a pretty good baseball player.
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 Post subject: Re: Joe Morgan
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Regular Reader wrote:
badrogue17 wrote:
vitoscotti wrote:
Greatest 2nd basemen I've seen. Very good 2nd man in the booth. Big backer of Ron Santo to the hall of fame. Not shy about using the race card.

Roberto Alomar was better. Sandberg arguably was.


The coward Sandberg couldn't carry his jock.

I don't know about the coward part, but I totally agree with this statement otherwise. Too many people made choices on Morgan after this career ended and they didn't like him as an announcer or his comments. He was a Great player.

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 Post subject: Re: Joe Morgan
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Hawg Ass wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
badrogue17 wrote:
vitoscotti wrote:
Greatest 2nd basemen I've seen. Very good 2nd man in the booth. Big backer of Ron Santo to the hall of fame. Not shy about using the race card.

Roberto Alomar was better. Sandberg arguably was.


The coward Sandberg couldn't carry his jock.

I don't know about the coward part, but I totally agree with this statement otherwise. Too many people made choices on Morgan after this career ended and they didn't like him as an announcer or his comments. He was a Great player.

What do you agree with? That Morgan was better or Reader insinuating it's not even close?

Sandberg is a Top 10 all time Second baseman. Morgan was better, but it's not some ridiculous comparison.
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 Post subject: Re: Joe Morgan
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rogers park bryan wrote:
Hawg Ass wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
badrogue17 wrote:
vitoscotti wrote:
Greatest 2nd basemen I've seen. Very good 2nd man in the booth. Big backer of Ron Santo to the hall of fame. Not shy about using the race card.

Roberto Alomar was better. Sandberg arguably was.


The coward Sandberg couldn't carry his jock.

I don't know about the coward part, but I totally agree with this statement otherwise. Too many people made choices on Morgan after this career ended and they didn't like him as an announcer or his comments. He was a Great player.

What do you agree with? That Morgan was better or Reader insinuating it's not even close?

Sandberg is a Top 10 all time Second baseman. Morgan was better, but it's not some ridiculous comparison.

I believe that Joe Morgan was a significantly better 2nd baseman in every form of the game.

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Except maybe power, I am too lazy to luck up the numbers.

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Hawg Ass wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Hawg Ass wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
badrogue17 wrote:
vitoscotti wrote:
Greatest 2nd basemen I've seen. Very good 2nd man in the booth. Big backer of Ron Santo to the hall of fame. Not shy about using the race card.

Roberto Alomar was better. Sandberg arguably was.


The coward Sandberg couldn't carry his jock.

I don't know about the coward part, but I totally agree with this statement otherwise. Too many people made choices on Morgan after this career ended and they didn't like him as an announcer or his comments. He was a Great player.

What do you agree with? That Morgan was better or Reader insinuating it's not even close?

Sandberg is a Top 10 all time Second baseman. Morgan was better, but it's not some ridiculous comparison.

I believe that Joe Morgan was a significantly better 2nd baseman in every form of the game.

This.

Because Sandberg wouldn't try on plays that may challenge his fielding numbers.

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 Post subject: Re: Joe Morgan
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Hawg Ass wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Hawg Ass wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
badrogue17 wrote:
vitoscotti wrote:
Greatest 2nd basemen I've seen. Very good 2nd man in the booth. Big backer of Ron Santo to the hall of fame. Not shy about using the race card.

Roberto Alomar was better. Sandberg arguably was.


The coward Sandberg couldn't carry his jock.

I don't know about the coward part, but I totally agree with this statement otherwise. Too many people made choices on Morgan after this career ended and they didn't like him as an announcer or his comments. He was a Great player.

What do you agree with? That Morgan was better or Reader insinuating it's not even close?

Sandberg is a Top 10 all time Second baseman. Morgan was better, but it's not some ridiculous comparison.

I believe that Joe Morgan was a significantly better 2nd baseman in every form of the game.

Seems a lot closer than you guys believe, but anyway, they're both all time greats, imo




Morgan Sandberg
Seasons 22 16
Games 2,649 2,164
Hits 2,517 2,386
200 Hit Seasons 0 1
150-199 Hit Seasons 7 10
Batting Average 0.271 0.285
.300+ Seasons 2 5
Batting Titles 0 0
On-Base % 0.392 0.344
.400 On-Base Seasons 9 0
Walks Drawn 1,865 761
Strikeouts 1,015 1260
Doubles 449 403
Triples 96 76
Home Runs 268 282
Stolen Bases 689 344
Runs Scored 1,650 1,318
RBI 1,133 1,061
100-RBI Seasons 1 2
All-Star 10 10
Gold Glove 5 9
Silver Slugger 1 7
ROY 0 0
MVP 2 1
Postseasons 7 2
WS Titles 2 0
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 Post subject: Re: Joe Morgan
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I believe that Joe Morgan was a significantly better 2nd baseman in every form of the game.

This.


Well you'd both be wrong .

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 Post subject: Re: Joe Morgan
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Joe Morgan was also an on base machine and one of the best base runners of all time. Sandberg was also an excellent baserunner and got on base at a decent clip, but he certainly was not as dominant as Morgan. Joe also may have been the best player in baseball at his peak in the early to mid 70s, Sandberg and Alomar as good as they were never approached that level.
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 Post subject: Re: Joe Morgan
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I didn’t see Morgan play. His WAR is a lot higher.....

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Sandberg was too close to being as good or better...too soon after Joe retired. Thus the resentment.

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 Post subject: Re: Joe Morgan
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rogers park bryan wrote:
Hawg Ass wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Hawg Ass"vitoscotti wrote:
Greatest 2nd basemen ent otherwise. Too many people made choices on Morgan after this career ended and they didn't like him as an announcer or his comments. He was a Great player.

What do you agree with? That Morgan was better or Reader insinuating it's not even close?

Sandberg is a Top 10 all time Second baseman. Morgan was better, but it's not some ridiculous comparison.

I believe that Joe Morgan was a significantly better 2nd baseman in every form of the game.

Seems a lot closer than you guys believe, but anyway, they're both all time greats, imo




Morgan Sandberg
Seasons 22 16
Games 2,649 2,164
Hits 2,517 2,386
200 Hit Seasons 0 1
150-199 Hit Seasons 7 10
Batting Average 0.271 0.285
.300+ Seasons 2 5
Batting Titles 0 0
On-Base % 0.392 0.344
.400 On-Base Seasons 9 0
Walks Drawn 1,865 761
Strikeouts 1,015 1260
Doubles 449 403
Triples 96 76
Home Runs 268 282
Stolen Bases 689 344
Runs Scored 1,650 1,318
RBI 1,133 1,061
100-RBI Seasons 1 2
All-Star 10 10
Gold Glove 5 9
Silver Slugger 1 7
ROY 0 0
MVP 2 1
Postseasons 7 2
WS Titles 2 0
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Now post their WAR numbers and the amount of times they lead the league in various categories
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rogers park bryan
 Post subject: Re: Joe Morgan
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Joe Morgan was also an on base machine and one of the best base runners of all time. Sandberg was also an excellent baserunner and got on base at a decent clip, but he certainly was not as dominant as Morgan. Joe also may have been the best player in baseball at his peak in the early to mid 70s, Sandberg and Alomar as good as they were never approached that level.

I was a huge Sandberg fan as a kid but yea, this is true. I do think there were times when Alomar was top 5ish in the game.
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 Post subject: Re: Joe Morgan
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Powerhouse233 wrote:
Joe Morgan was also an on base machine and one of the best base runners of all time. Sandberg was also an excellent baserunner and got on base at a decent clip, but he certainly was not as dominant as Morgan. Joe also may have been the best player in baseball at his peak in the early to mid 70s, Sandberg and Alomar as good as they were never approached that level.


Tough comparison...put Sandberg on the BRM and do they skip a beat? NOPE.

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 Post subject: Re: Joe Morgan
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rogers park bryan wrote:
Hawg Ass wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Hawg Ass"vitoscotti wrote:
Greatest 2nd basemen ent otherwise. Too many people made choices on Morgan after this career ended and they didn't like him as an announcer or his comments. He was a Great player.

What do you agree with? That Morgan was better or Reader insinuating it's not even close?

Sandberg is a Top 10 all time Second baseman. Morgan was better, but it's not some ridiculous comparison.

I believe that Joe Morgan was a significantly better 2nd baseman in every form of the game.

Seems a lot closer than you guys believe, but anyway, they're both all time greats, imo




Morgan Sandberg
Seasons 22 16
Games 2,649 2,164
Hits 2,517 2,386
200 Hit Seasons 0 1
150-199 Hit Seasons 7 10
Batting Average 0.271 0.285
.300+ Seasons 2 5
Batting Titles 0 0
On-Base % 0.392 0.344
.400 On-Base Seasons 9 0
Walks Drawn 1,865 761
Strikeouts 1,015 1260
Doubles 449 403
Triples 96 76
Home Runs 268 282
Stolen Bases 689 344
Runs Scored 1,650 1,318
RBI 1,133 1,061
100-RBI Seasons 1 2
All-Star 10 10
Gold Glove 5 9
Silver Slugger 1 7
ROY 0 0
MVP 2 1
Postseasons 7 2
WS Titles 2 0
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Now post their WAR numbers and the amount of times they lead the league in various categories[/quote]
Bro, this was literally the first google result on the main page. I didnt even have to click. Im not doing that work. You can, if you want.
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 Post subject: Re: Joe Morgan
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Also compare their output per 162.

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 Post subject: Re: Joe Morgan
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Joe Morgan was also an on base machine and one of the best base runners of all time. Sandberg was also an excellent baserunner and got on base at a decent clip, but he certainly was not as dominant as Morgan. Joe also may have been the best player in baseball at his peak in the early to mid 70s, Sandberg and Alomar as good as they were never approached that level.


Tough comparison...put Sandberg on the BRM and do they skip a beat? NOPE.

Cmon, Morgan was the best player on one of the best teams ever. They probably miss him no matter who replaces him.
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I wasn't really trying to downplay Sandberg, but I hold Joe in high company. Many have said those Reds teams were some of the best ever, and for a good period, he was the best player on those teams.

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Joe Morgan, in heaven, scrolling CFMB seeing nothing but Sandberg talk and tearing up
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 Post subject: Re: Joe Morgan
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rogers park bryan wrote:
GoldenJet wrote:
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Joe Morgan was also an on base machine and one of the best base runners of all time. Sandberg was also an excellent baserunner and got on base at a decent clip, but he certainly was not as dominant as Morgan. Joe also may have been the best player in baseball at his peak in the early to mid 70s, Sandberg and Alomar as good as they were never approached that level.


Tough comparison...put Sandberg on the BRM and do they skip a beat? NOPE.

Cmon, Morgan was the best player on one of the best teams ever. They probably miss him no matter who replaces him.


I agree, Joe is an All Timer...just saying, so was Ryno.

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The difference between BB to K ratio is striking.

Seasons with .400 OBP or higher

Morgan 9
Ryno 0

Morgan also was only caught stealing 60 more times despite stealing twice as many bags. 680 steals and 160 CS.
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 Post subject: Re: Joe Morgan
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rogers park bryan wrote:
GoldenJet wrote:
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Joe Morgan was also an on base machine and one of the best base runners of all time. Sandberg was also an excellent baserunner and got on base at a decent clip, but he certainly was not as dominant as Morgan. Joe also may have been the best player in baseball at his peak in the early to mid 70s, Sandberg and Alomar as good as they were never approached that level.


Tough comparison...put Sandberg on the BRM and do they skip a beat? NOPE.

Cmon, Morgan was the best player on one of the best teams ever. They probably miss him no matter who replaces him.

Really simple, but spot on point.

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If you played Little League in the '70s, you did some practice ABs with the arm flap.

You know you did.

That, Pops Stargell's spinning the bat and Carew's crouch as well.

Reader, you remember Tigers' Dick McAuliffe?
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GoldenJet wrote:
Also compare their output per 162.


Sandberg's numbers are better and was the better fielder but yeah, he couldnt carry Morgan's jock.

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Compare thier output per October games.

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 Post subject: Re: Joe Morgan
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Compare thier output per October games.

Sandberg was great in the post season Frank. 1.098 OPS.

You dont want per game for this point, you want cumulative.
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Nardi wrote:
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
If you played Little League in the '70s, you did some practice ABs with the arm flap.

You know you did.

That, Pops Stargell's spinning the bat and Carew's crouch as well.

Reader, you remember Tigers' Dick McAuliffe?

Nope, but I saw Morgan and Mr. Safety in their primes.

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GoldenJet wrote:
Also compare their output per 162.


Sandberg's numbers are better and was the better fielder but yeah, he couldnt carry Morgan's jock.

Cindy could.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Compare thier output per October games.


Joe Morgan

.182 BA
.323 OBP
.348 SLG
.671 OPS


Ryne Sandberg

.385 BA
.457 OBP
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1.098 OPS

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conns7901 wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Compare thier output per October games.


Joe Morgan

.182 BA
.323 OBP
.348 SLG
.671 OPS


Ryne Sandberg

.385 BA
.457 OBP
.641 SLG
1.098 OPS


:lol: :lol: Not the way you want to start the week Frank.

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