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No, the increased political activism in professional sports doesn’t explain the ratings decline.

And no, the sports where that activism is most pronounced, like the NBA, haven’t suffered more in comparison.

The presidential election isn’t distracting people from sports.

The changes to the rules and viewer experience during the pandemic have not, in fact, caused people to tune out, either.

Conversely, the free time created by COVID-19, as people work and stay home more, has not made any substantial difference in sports viewership.

Those were the findings of a new survey by the Marist Poll. (Disclosure: the author is a lecturer at Marist College.) A poll of 1,560 American adults, conducted in late September, suggested that a lot of the narratives surrounding the steep ratings decline in sports television are unfounded.

Since sports slowly resumed, in bubbles or empty stadiums, TV ratings have precipitously declined. The NBA Finals were down by more than half from last year. The Stanley Cup Final was down some 61 percent. The MLB playoffs haven’t fared much better, off by about 40 percent. Even the mighty NFL has seen a drop-off of 14 percent.

This has led to fevered speculation about the reasons behind the ratings collapse. Some have been in good faith; some in bad.

But the new poll doesn’t support any of the above theories.

Almost half of respondents — 46 percent — said the political outspokenness of athletes, who have rediscovered their voice after years of shying away from partisanship and social issues, made no difference in their live TV sports consumption. Almost a third said it did, but 21 percent also said the politics made them more likely to watch. That’s an 11 percent delta, which doesn't really correlate to the drop in ratings, and is hard to pin down as a mitigating factor either way.

The notable exception was NASCAR. While pluralities of football, basketball and baseball fans said the athletes’ political views didn’t impact their viewing habits, 44 percent of fans of NASCAR — where a reckoning with Confederate flags and a purported noose hung in the paddock of a Black driver set off a reckoning — said that it did.

The people who said that they watched less sports were more likely to be men (36 percent) than women (28 percent); more likely to be over 45 years old (36 percent) than under (26 percent); and far more likely to be Republicans. Among the latter group, 70 percent said they were more likely to watch less sports while 61 percent of Democrats took the opposite stand and said political outspokenness among athletes hadn’t changed their viewing habits.

In an adjacent vein, Black sports fans were almost twice as likely as white ones to say they were watching more sports on account of the politics.

If this attempted explanation at the plummeting TV ratings doesn’t quite wash, neither does the notion that the presidential election has distracted from sports, which the skyrocketing cable news ratings seem to imply. In the poll, 64 percent of respondents said the election hadn’t influenced their sports viewing.


The rule changes, most noticeably in baseball, and lack of live fans weren’t a major factor either. More than seven in 10 fans said those were inconsequential. And whatever free time was created by the pandemic had no effect on the amount of sports viewed by a plurality of the fans queried.

It may just be that the timing of all of those sports coinciding into so-called “sports equinoxes”, because the 3-month interruption to sports created a logjam that cannibalized viewers through fearsome competition for their eyeballs. But there isn’t compelling evidence to support that idea either.

There is a more alarming possibility, or alarming for the sports industry, anyway. Perhaps it’s as simple as fewer people being into sports than there used to be. In the polling, the number of Americans who said they watched sports had dropped slightly from 60 to 57 percent, but the decline in fans for specific sports was far more noticeable. A 16 percent drop for baseball and basketball in just a few years. A slide of about a quarter for football and NASCAR.

Maybe people are just less interested than they used to be. Nearly half of fans reported watching fewer sports broadcasts than they used to, especially in the older age category.


Or maybe it’s a combination of all of the above. But there isn’t any one factor at play, per the numbers, no matter how expedient such an explanation might be.


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I say RSNs are to blame. I'm not paying 6 more bucks a month on top of my already outrageous comcast bill to watch whatever shit show the Cubs throw out there next year.


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I do think MANY young people don’t really follow sports like early millennials and Gen X were raised to.

I also gotta say I know there is a decent number of people who were turned off from the NFL the last couple years because of social activism.

Which is bothersome, but I get that just like comic book movies, sports are escapism for a lot of people.

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I do think MANY young people don’t really follow sports like early millennials and Gen X were raised to.

I also gotta say I know there is a decent number of people who were turned off from the NFL the last couple years because of social activism.

Which is bothersome, but I get that just like comic book movies, sports are escapism for a lot of people.

Pretty much . The people who aren’t watching because of activism etc. are the older crowd. The younger crowd just doesn’t give a shit about them and have so many other options to entertain themselves .

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I do think MANY young people don’t really follow sports like early millennials and Gen X were raised to.

I also gotta say I know there is a decent number of people who were turned off from the NFL the last couple years because of social activism.

Which is bothersome, but I get that just like comic book movies, sports are escapism for a lot of people.


Definitely agree about the younger viewers. I think that they have so many other options that they pop in and out to catch the final dramatic moments alone, if at all. You have to commit a lot of time and patience to a game, especially if your team isn't in it.

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Younger viewers are also at the mercy of what content/streaming services their parents pay for. So unless it's readily available on a major network, they aren't watching. Why do you think you have so many Cub fans in their 50's on up all over the country? Cause at one point in their young life they ran home from school and got it for free with their rabbit ear antennas.


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young ppl have video games, streaming, other options that are more entertaining to them than sports.

the only reason the NFL has some kind of mass popularity is gambling.

All the other sports have become niche sports.


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For most of my friends who have kids, the fathers watch far more sports than the sons. The sons still follow competition, but it is likely to be some sort of technology based "e-sports" thing.

I don't watch as much NFL or NHL as I used to before I cut cable. When Sling Blue had NBC properties, I would watch Sunday Night Football, at least the first half, and some NHL on NBCSN. I really never watched that much NBA or college sports since the mid-90s, except for the Jordan era Bulls and even that was just bandwagon watching. I watched a ton of NCAA basketball and NBA on NBC as a teenager, but mostly out of boredom.

Now most of what I watch is MLB, whatever golf is on either ESPN+ or Peacock, and Serie A off the ESPN+ provided international feed. I listened to the Blackhawks radio feed on the WGN app pre-COVID about twice a week , and last year I paid the $9/month to TuneIn to listen to the Bears feed for the first half of the season.

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Maybe people are actually out doing things like biking and playing golf a lot more than in recent years. My guy Tom at Coyote Run Golf Course says they are on pace to have their best year EVER, even with being closed during March and April. He said they have probably had more new golfers this year than in the past two or three years combined.

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Jbi11s wrote:
I do think MANY young people don’t really follow sports like early millennials and Gen X were raised to.

I also gotta say I know there is a decent number of people who were turned off from the NFL the last couple years because of social activism.

Which is bothersome, but I get that just like comic book movies, sports are escapism for a lot of people.

Pretty much . The people who aren’t watching because of activism etc. are the older crowd. The younger crowd just doesn’t give a shit about them and have so many other options to entertain themselves .

I agree with this. The social activism was definitely a contributing factor the NBA decline this year.

And no attention span amongst younger viewers. Twitter highlights is all they know and want. The younger demographic would rather talk shit on social media about a game they didn’t actually watch than consume the actual game.


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I think 5 months of no sports killed the casual and super casual (who's playing?) viewing.

I'm (and I presume others who post here) are watching because we're a little nuts.

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I cut cable so I pretty much have no access to non NFL games. I'm fine though. The NFL is the only sport that still interests me.


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I struggle to understand guys who don't like sports. The youth of today sound like some real fucking losers

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I struggle to understand guys who don't like sports. The youth of today sound like some real fucking losers

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I don't know about whether any short term blip in anything right now should be considered indicative of anything. It's an anomalous time.

Long term, requiring kids to become specialized so early is cutting off their long term interest in other sports. It may also be cutting off long term interest in the sport they specialize because of burnout.

I think the less athletic kids are getting boxed out of sports at such a young age that they are waving goodbye to them entirely.

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I must be one hell of a dad, my 21 year old loves watching sports.

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I struggle to understand guys who don't like sports. The youth of today sound like some real fucking losers


I'm tired of finding the events akin to coding a computer program. I just want my shit on there when I turn on the TV. And I'm tired of hearing of how bad the blacks have it. (just being real)


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I struggle to understand guys who don't like sports. The youth of today sound like some real fucking losers


They are busy dancing on Tik Tok and counting every like they get.


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I don't know about whether any short term blip in anything right now should be considered indicative of anything. It's an anomalous time.

Long term, requiring kids to become specialized so early is cutting off their long term interest in other sports. It may also be cutting off long term interest in the sport they specialize because of burnout.

I think the less athletic kids are getting boxed out of sports at such a young age that they are waving goodbye to them entirely.

Burnout has always been a thing with kids and being pushed to play sports.

Your last point is interesting, and could be very true.

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Maybe people are actually out doing things like biking and playing golf a lot more than in recent years. My guy Tom at Coyote Run Golf Course says they are on pace to have their best year EVER, even with being closed during March and April. He said they have probably had more new golfers this year than in the past two or three years combined.


Golf had been dying for something like a decade before this year. It provided the perfect diversion at the perfect time during covid. I wouldn't bet it lasts.

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People aren't watching the NBA because The Last Dance showed how much better it was in the 90s.

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I think 5 months of no sports killed the casual and super casual (who's playing?) viewing.
I agree with this. I'm not offended in any way by social causes being espoused in sports but I definitely didn't follow the NBA, NHL or much of baseball (beyond the Sox toward the end). It didn't even enter my mind to seek it out. I'm paying more attention to the NFL but I think that's because it's being played in it's normal time frame (for the most part).

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People aren't watching the NBA because The Last Dance showed how much better it was in the 90s.

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I must be one hell of a dad, my 21 year old loves watching sports.

My little brother is 24 and he's the youngest person i regularly talks to and he loves sports as much as me. I just assumed liking sports was an ageless thing

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I must be one hell of a dad, my 21 year old loves watching sports.

My little brother is 24 and he's the youngest person i regularly talks to and he loves sports as much as me. I just assumed liking sports was an ageless thing

I love sports, but one thing I found out earlier this year, I don't like watching old sports. When nothing was being played, i didn't watch sports at all. The old games could not keep me interested.

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I must be one hell of a dad, my 21 year old loves watching sports.

My little brother is 24 and he's the youngest person i regularly talks to and he loves sports as much as me. I just assumed liking sports was an ageless thing

I love sports, but one thing I found out earlier this year, I don't like watching old sports. When nothing was being played, i didn't watch sports at all. The old games could not keep me interested.

Same.

Besides the terrible video quality on most old replays, I just was not interested in non-live sports.

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I must be one hell of a dad, my 21 year old loves watching sports.

My little brother is 24 and he's the youngest person i regularly talks to and he loves sports as much as me. I just assumed liking sports was an ageless thing

I love sports, but one thing I found out earlier this year, I don't like watching old sports. When nothing was being played, i didn't watch sports at all. The old games could not keep me interested.

Same.

Besides the terrible video quality on most old replays, I just was not interested in non-live sports.

Add me to this list.

Plus, quality across the board has dropped greatly over the last thirty years with all of the expansion and tanking.

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Besides the terrible video quality on most old replays, I just was not interested in non-live sports.
It's stunning to me how bad the video quality was just a couple of decades ago. Obviously the limited TV resolution back in the day hid the poor quality but it's still surprising.

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quality across the board has dropped greatly over the last thirty years with all of the expansion and tanking.

I think this is entirely accurate to say, but I don't think it necessarily impacts bringing younger audiences into spectating and fandom. The tanking doesn't bother me as much as it does many, but I do fully understand why it's a problem for others. The expansion and watered down level of play is a big problem for me. You not only get lower quality, but then you get the team relocation drama due to empty seats in the stadium....just a a whole bunch of problems from over expansion.

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