Saw a few signs last night..guys making business decisions rather than playing team football, see this almost all the time with Hicks who comes up field on every play leading to the team getting gashed on run plays, OLB's lost contain on almost every play early because they were coming up field and not playing sound technique, guys on D not making wrapping up, and most glaringly Ginn not attempting to return punts along with Foles giving the media an inside glimpse into Nagy's incompetence as a play caller.

Team needs a reboot, you knew that Pace's insane evaluation of the offensive line would eventually come back to haunt the team, how he watched Leno play last year and did not decide to address the position is mystifying. However, O-line reboots take time and more importantly, require a talented GM who can actually identify and draft players. Nagy/Pace have shown no ability to evaluate and draft offensive players, so the team will continue to be an average to below average NFL team until the aging D begins to decline which will happen sooner than later.

I'm starting to hope for this at this point.

Pace can't evaluate talent, character or coaches apparently.

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Completely agree....This team is not very good. I've been saying it all year. A lot of breaks and a really weak schedule made for 5-1.

If this team makes the playoffs and there's extensions for Pace and Nagy, it will be prolonged bad, bad news.

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Don't worry about the salary cap.

It goes up every year!

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I don't think there were too many people who had confidence in Pace's abilities as a GM at this point, and I am glad people are realizing how ineffective Nagy is. Unless he can hoodwink another GM into hiring him for an assistant position I can see a guy like Nagy, based on the nonsense he spews, doing something like selling MovaVie within the next few years.

Well said.

Why do you see all this but the Bears ownership never does?

next two weeks are going to be rough but after that we should be in good shape

Get that one versus the Vikings and go into the break at 6-4.

This was always going to be the rough stretch of the season

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I'm not sure I see that happening. Even with some poor play this team is likely still going to finish 9-7 at worst. They have the Jaguars, Texans, Vikings twice, and Lions still on the schedule. There's just too many winnable games. They might even beat the Packers once who knows.

For all of Nagy's faults and as bad as he has been at times, I don't see any signs that he has lost the team or the locker room like Trestman did. Even with the offense doing nothing yesterday late in the game the Bears Force the three and out then blocked a field goal. If the team specifically the defense was just going through the motions, that would not have happened.

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I really don't understand the Halas/Mc Caskeys. You have family ownership of a multi billion dollar company. You have several children all producing a large population of heirs. How do the leaders of the family not get together to chart the career path for one or several of the younger family members to take over key positions of management in the organization? Sure a guy like George is running the thing, but he hardly came up through football. He could be a middle manager of any product with his background. Same with Michael.

Take a high school Halas. Tell him to play football for four years. Then tell him to be a student assistant in college while studying business with a focus on sports management. If he is good, maybe put him in the coaching tract. If not, send him out with your absolute best scout for a few years. Move him into the front office while also getting an advanced degree in business. Get him into the GM position in his 30s.

It seems like the entire group took marketing and come up through ticket sales. No one knows a darn thing about football.

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Nagy is a good leader and won't lose the team like Marc did.

I don't like Nagy as a coach, but as you said, he's not going to lose the team like Trestman did. He's going to continue to struggle running an offense that has a lack of talent. I don't like him, but he's the least of the Bears problems right now. That offensive line as garbage. Very few QB's could succeed with that mess.

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Who makes to a League/Conference championship game first?

Bears or Cubs? Both look ill prepared for any kind of sustained success.

Sox should get there shortly, or at least are in a much better situation with their status quo.

Bears need to beat the Saints. I like Meatball Frank better than this version

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Defense is too good for that to happen. Keep in mind we had an absolute moron running the defense back then too. I have my gripes with this defense at times, but no way are they even sniffing Trashcan era football bad.

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Agreed.. Pace and Nagy gotta go.

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Like I said in the game thread, this is what happens to the team when the defense is dominant, and the offense, arguably the more important phase of football, is completely inept. The defense goes all-out for awhile, making plays and keeping the sputtering offense in games enough to win with a little luck. Then the luck atrophies, the defensive players get tired physically and mentally from being asked to do so much more to keep the games close, and eventually they start to quit. Then, the offensive players see the defense quit, and they begin to check-out mentally as well, because why not, with the saving grace of the team giving up? Then, before you know it, you've got players on both sides of the football not giving a shit and making decisions for their own careers and health, and there's not a damn thing a head coach can do about it. This exact thing has happened to the last two or three Bears coaches.

Were you happy with the play calling? That's Nagy. He will lose the team if it appears that he doesn't know what he is doing in that regard. We know Foles is already griping. Keep throwing Montgomery screen passes on 3rd and long and the complaints will grow. The Defense will tire with having to do all the heavy lifting at some point as well.

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I can't argue with you...Nagy's play calling is bad. We saw the defense under-perform last year. I don't like Nagy, but I think the roster itself (Ryan Pace) is a bigger problem than Nagy. But yes...Nagy is a problem.

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If Nagy and Pace are both a problem and need to be fired, is it possible your expectations are slightly unreasonable? I don't think it's likely your next head coach goes 25-14 in his first 39 games. Either the coach or the GM had to have been doing something right these past 2.5 years.

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I honestly don't know which way to lean when it comes to Pacy vs Nagy.

Nagy's pros:

Commands or appears to command respect. Kyle Long seems to not like him but I don't know if he's talking shit to attract attention or if he's actually skeptical of Nagy based on his expereince.

Nagy's cons:

The offense is abysmal, he appears to be stubborn and perfectionist.

Pace's pros:

Excellent defensive personnel

Pace's cons:

Horrible offensive personnel, right with the Jets as the league's worst collection of players.

No notable draft picks on offense in seven years save for Kyle Long


So what's confusing to me is Nagy's offense so bad because he sucks or because we don't have good players? Or some combo of both? Say you fire Nagy and replace him with either Belichik or someone like Andy Reid. What changes? Do we magically start dropping 25+ ppg? I doubt it but would like to hear more.

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Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

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I know hyperbole is your thing, and I respect that because I use it as well, but I've seen you say this a few times and want to check to make sure you realize that the Bears offensive personnel is significantly better than the Jets.

A Rob > Perriman
Anthony Miller > Braxton Berrios
Darnell Mooney probably > Denzel Mims
Jimmy Graham/Kmet > Herndon/Griffin
Mitch > Darnold (Foles is worse than Darnold but it's not Pace's fault Nagy is playing the wrong QB)
OL is probably a wash

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You are smart enough to know that a lot of division games are generally close. Bears and Packers games in particular tend to be pretty close regardless of what the teams respective records are.

The Bears going 1-1 vs the Pack this year would really surprise nobody.

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I might be going against the grain here, but Pace did draft well with Jaylon Johnson and Cole Kmet. Both made plays against the Rams, when few other people did.

That Jaylon Johnson sure does provide a spark on offense.

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i kinda think the whole team knew last night was a critical game to win due to the the division right now, and they got smoked. whatever sketchy confidence they had on monday morning they definitely dont have now. they might end up with 10 wins but they will probably miss the playoffs.

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Looking at the schedule I see 4 wins minimum, possibly 6. This team is probably in the playoffs.

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Question is how much of the teams success is due to the defense which was largely developed under Fangio and how many wins can be directly attributed to the offense which is entirely due to Nagy? Nagy seems to relate to the players because he makes it easy on them, but his lack of ability to identify and develop offensive players limits the success of the team. A good offensive coordinator would have modified the offense to use Mitch's abilities, that has been discussed here many times, but Nagy refused and the teams success was limited due to his apparently very large ego. Recently read that the Bears have no future because they have no QB, does anyone have any confidence that this group can draft and develop a QB based on years of failure? The teams current success if entirely due to an aging defense which could easily decline as injuries will likely pile up because they will be on the field all day due to the offenses inability to stay on the field.

One thing is for certain is that Foles in a shotgun is not going to win games. If the Bears cannot protect a QB in the pocket, then you might as well start Mitch again. You can make good use of him rolling him out and he will gain extra yards with his legs. The defense has to give up a player to mirror him in case he runs. What do you have to lose with him really at 5 and 2? Mitch does not have much more downside than Foles, so play him.

Find a QB in the draft and everything else falls in to shape.

It's actually pretty easy and cheap to bring the OL from horrible to average. Average would be good. It's not even that hard to find a group of diversified talents at WR and RB who may not be individually dominant but are great as a collective.

Waiting and finding that QB is the hardest part.

The (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky draft will haunt us for a decade. It's like the Sox trading Tatis.

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Saints
Titans
Vikes
Pack
Lions
Texans
Vikes
Jags
Pack


You lot don't see 4-6 wins in that?

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