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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 7:29 pm 
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Darvish, jhey, and Kimbrel to yanks for Stanton and prospects?!?!



https://www.bleachernation.com/cubs/202 ... n-heyward/

I’m all for it. Shed that payroll, get whatever you cAn in return and shake this shit up


Stanton has 7 years left and opted in this year. No one wants that contract.

I’d rather have that than jhey and Kimbrel in the short term.

And might as well sell high on Darvish. This team is going nowhere with him.


Darvish has value again and could probably get a decent haul.

Stanton for 7 is terrible.

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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Cubs offseason
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Agreed.. Yu is very movable..hes below market value.. We've eaten more than half of of that horseshit Heyward deal. Kimbrel is in his last year( I believe) taking on Stanton is dumb AF

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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Cubs offseason
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I'm pretty sure that Heyward has 10&5 rights as of the end of the season. He isn't going anywhere.

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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Cubs offseason
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I'm pretty sure that Heyward has 10&5 rights as of the end of the season. He isn't going anywhere.

He’s accept a trade to a team like the Yankees I bet.

Ultimately, I’m not contending this particular trade is great per se, I’m just all for the team taking the quickest path to overhauling their farm system while shedding payroll.

I’ve said it before but flipping Hendricks and YU is in their best interest and if you can get someone to take Kimbrel and Heyward now, I think you do it.

Stantons contract is huge, obviously, but the cubs are most likely gonna have to absorb something like that if they want someone else to accept some of their garbage.

If they head in 2021 with 80% of the same roster as this season, I have zero interest in watching.


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Heyward would work on a team like the Giants who are rebuilding and have a dumb fuck manager. He would fit in as being a leader and role model to the young guys and sort of the manager on the field.


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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Cubs offseason
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im done w/ Contreras. You can trade him and get value.

someone posted here during the sweep during the playoffs that Contreras is a dumb catcher and you can't win w/ a dumb catcher. that was spot on.

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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Cubs offseason
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rogers park bryan wrote:
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im done w/ Contreras. You can trade him and get value.

someone posted here during the sweep during the playoffs that Contreras is a dumb catcher and you can't win w/ a dumb catcher. that was spot on.

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got to move on now and think about the future. he would get them some good prospects.


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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Cubs offseason
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Priority #1 should be trading Darvish


Also see what you can get for Kimbrel, Bryant, and Schwarber

Let's not pretend were contending in 2021

Build the new roster with Triple H Happ, Hoerner and Hendricks


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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Cubs offseason
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HawaiiYou wrote:
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im done w/ Contreras. You can trade him and get value.

someone posted here during the sweep during the playoffs that Contreras is a dumb catcher and you can't win w/ a dumb catcher. that was spot on.

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got to move on now and think about the future. he would get them some good prospects.

He was the primary catcher in 2016 when they won, so you're "cant win with Willie" is wrong

Also, what is the evidence he's dumb?

He's a 28 year old catcher who has been an all star the previous two full seasons. Self scouting not good here.


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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Cubs offseason
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rogers park bryan wrote:
HawaiiYou wrote:
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im done w/ Contreras. You can trade him and get value.

someone posted here during the sweep during the playoffs that Contreras is a dumb catcher and you can't win w/ a dumb catcher. that was spot on.

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got to move on now and think about the future. he would get them some good prospects.

He was the primary catcher in 2016 when they won, so you're "cant win with Willie" is wrong

Also, what is the evidence he's dumb?

He's a 28 year old catcher who has been an all star the previous two full seasons. Self scouting not good here.

HY is now a Sox fan. He should stay outta Cubs business.

Go have an opinion on what Larussa should do with their bullpen or something

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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Cubs offseason
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RFDC wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
HawaiiYou wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
HawaiiYou wrote:
im done w/ Contreras. You can trade him and get value.

someone posted here during the sweep during the playoffs that Contreras is a dumb catcher and you can't win w/ a dumb catcher. that was spot on.

2016


got to move on now and think about the future. he would get them some good prospects.

He was the primary catcher in 2016 when they won, so you're "cant win with Willie" is wrong

Also, what is the evidence he's dumb?

He's a 28 year old catcher who has been an all star the previous two full seasons. Self scouting not good here.

HY is now a Sox fan. He should stay outta Cubs business.

Go have an opinion on what Larussa should do with their bullpen or something


I am a LaRussa fan - lets that that straight. I'm also a Cubs fan still and forever. I did not abandon them for another team like others on the fourm.


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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Cubs offseason
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RFDC wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
HawaiiYou wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
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im done w/ Contreras. You can trade him and get value.

someone posted here during the sweep during the playoffs that Contreras is a dumb catcher and you can't win w/ a dumb catcher. that was spot on.

2016


got to move on now and think about the future. he would get them some good prospects.

He was the primary catcher in 2016 when they won, so you're "cant win with Willie" is wrong

Also, what is the evidence he's dumb?

He's a 28 year old catcher who has been an all star the previous two full seasons. Self scouting not good here.

HY is now a Sox fan. He should stay outta Cubs business.
They don't want him either :lol:
Go have an opinion on what Larussa should do with their bullpen or something

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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Cubs offseason
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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Cubs offseason
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Well there goes their chances in 2022.

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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Cubs offseason
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Hawg Ass wrote:
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rogers park bryan wrote:
HawaiiYou wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
HawaiiYou wrote:
im done w/ Contreras. You can trade him and get value.

someone posted here during the sweep during the playoffs that Contreras is a dumb catcher and you can't win w/ a dumb catcher. that was spot on.

2016


got to move on now and think about the future. he would get them some good prospects.

He was the primary catcher in 2016 when they won, so you're "cant win with Willie" is wrong

Also, what is the evidence he's dumb?

He's a 28 year old catcher who has been an all star the previous two full seasons. Self scouting not good here.

HY is now a Sox fan. He should stay outta Cubs business.
They don't want him either :lol:
Go have an opinion on what Larussa should do with their bullpen or something

ConEtreras was the dumb dumb bunting every other time in the WS. Dude was scared.

He can go for value. Hard to tell how good he is with the arm when El Mago's the guy on the other end slapping the tag down.

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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Cubs offseason
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:lol: I guarantee Willllson's percentage of runners thrown out would be almost exactly the same if he were throwing to anybody else at 2B.

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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Cubs offseason
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I think that Baez helps Contreras, because he knows that Baez will clean up most wild throws.

That said, I don't think this team can do better than lose in 5 in an NLCS as a stretch goal, and it's likely the 2022 season will have a labor stoppage. So once the Mets sign Realmuto, I shop Contreras to the Phillies, Yankees, and Rays (who had Mike fucking Zunino catch most of the season) for prospects, and sign a veteran to back up Caratini and catch Hendricks and whichever retread they sign to replace Quintana. Have Caratini catch Darvish (until they eventually trade him), Azolay, Marquez, and Mills.

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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Cubs offseason
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I wanna see em move KB and Schwarber, I dont3give a shit what we get back.

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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Cubs offseason
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:lol: I guarantee Willllson's percentage of runners thrown out would be almost exactly the same if he were throwing to anybody else at 2B.

you didn't watch many Cubs games, did you.

Watch a few games with Kipnis at second from this year and get back to me.

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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Cubs offseason
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ConEtreras was the dumb dumb bunting every other time in the WS. Dude was scared.

He can go for value. Hard to tell how good he is with the arm when El Mago's the guy on the other end slapping the tag down.

Everything you wrote is wrong

Contreras got a big hit in every clincher that year, btw

Game 4 NLDS Game winnjng RBI Single
Gane 6 NLCS Homer off Kershaw to go up 4-0
Gane 7 World Series Double off Kluber to go up 4-1


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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Cubs offseason
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rogers park bryan wrote:
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ConEtreras was the dumb dumb bunting every other time in the WS. Dude was scared.

He can go for value. Hard to tell how good he is with the arm when El Mago's the guy on the other end slapping the tag down.

Everything you wrote is wrong

Contreras got a big hit in every clincher that year, btw

:lol: yeah it is amazing how CoF can consistently have terrible sports thoughts.

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I just don’t think Ricketts will allow for the kind of “turnover” necessary, because he values a “marketable product” more than what’s in the teams best interest from a winning perspective.

Hope I’m wrong.


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Havent they been signaling this for the past 2 offseasons?

Guess we will see how serious they are.

Something has to change. They cannot run out the same group again.

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I just don’t think Ricketts will allow for the kind of “turnover” necessary, because he values a “marketable product” more than what’s in the teams best interest from a winning perspective.

Hope I’m wrong.

He didnt seem to mind from 2011-2014


They HAVE to trade Darvish. I love the guy but there is just no way he's ever this valuable again and no way the Cubs win in the next few years while he's still good.


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I just don’t think Ricketts will allow for the kind of “turnover” necessary, because he values a “marketable product” more than what’s in the teams best interest from a winning perspective.

Hope I’m wrong.

He didnt seem to mind from 2011-2014


They HAVE to trade Darvish. I love the guy but there is just no way he's ever this valuable again and no way the Cubs win in the next few years while he's still good.


I agree on Darvish. Flip him while he’s at max value.

As far as Ricketts, the teams financial situation is vastly different right now. I’m not crying for a billionaire but he sunk massive money into Marquee, the neighborhood, Wrigley etc with the understanding that fans would be able to attend games and stay in hotels, like the streets, frequent bars, etc. Those revenue streams were blown up in 2020 and most likely will still be very depleted in 2021.

His primary goal is shedding payroll right now, but also wants to try and keep the team marketable, which is why I think they won’t flip everyone they can and should


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I just don’t think Ricketts will allow for the kind of “turnover” necessary, because he values a “marketable product” more than what’s in the teams best interest from a winning perspective.

Hope I’m wrong.

If he can use the context of minimal fans in the seats to cover ass for shedding millions of dollars right before a work stoppage, I think he might be intrigued. Load up on guys without MLB service time and thus not in the union.

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Crick Ramp wrote:
I just don’t think Ricketts will allow for the kind of “turnover” necessary, because he values a “marketable product” more than what’s in the teams best interest from a winning perspective.

Hope I’m wrong.

If he can use the context of minimal fans in the seats to cover ass for shedding millions of dollars right before a work stoppage, I think he might be intrigued. Load up on guys without MLB service time and thus not in the union.

You think they will execute a trade that moves Darvish, KB, and Schwarber?

I think they should move Hendricks too If they can find a suitable package, but he seems to close to the front office on a personal level. But who knows.


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Crick Ramp wrote:
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I just don’t think Ricketts will allow for the kind of “turnover” necessary, because he values a “marketable product” more than what’s in the teams best interest from a winning perspective.

Hope I’m wrong.

If he can use the context of minimal fans in the seats to cover ass for shedding millions of dollars right before a work stoppage, I think he might be intrigued. Load up on guys without MLB service time and thus not in the union.

You think they will execute a trade that moves Darvish, KB, and Schwarber?

I think they should move Hendricks too If they can find a suitable package, but he seems to close to the front office on a personal level. But who knows.

I think they will trade Darvish in July. Schwarber probably gets nontendered or traded to a team like the Orioles for a few AA lottery tickets. KB, I have no idea. I keep on thinking that they might just non tender him and tell Boras to go fuck himself. $20M plus Schwarber's $6M could buy them a LF, DH, and a RH 4th OF all on one year deals and still have room to trim payroll.

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