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KDdidit
PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:18 pm 
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Theus Traded to Kings
Feb. 16, 1984
The Chicago Bulls, who have been trying to trade Reggie Theus

since Coach Kevin Loughery benched the high-scoring guard last Dec.

13, finally succeeded last night, one hour before the National Basketball

Association's trading deadline.

Theus was sent to the Kansas City

Kings for Steve Johnson and three second-round draft choices. The 6-foot-6 1/2-inch Theus, the Bulls' top draft choice in 1978, led the

team in scoring, assists and steals last season, averaging 23.8 points.

He was the Bulls' most popular player until Loughery took over as Chicago's coach this season. When Theus, who has a 19.5-point career average, failed to fit into Loughery's plans, he was benched in favor of an

all-rookie backcourt of Mitchell Wiggins and Ennis Whatley. Earlier in the day Rod Thorn, the Bulls' general manager, while

working on several deals, said: ''It would be better for all concerned if

we can trade Reggie. All the attention has been focused on him lately

and it has not been good for our other players.'' Johnson, 6-10 1/2 and the Kings' top draft choice in 1981, provides the

Bulls, who have a five-game winning streak, with the strong backup

center they have been seeking


Yeah they tanked.


They were 28-54 in the season those stats you highlighted were from :lol:

It’s obviously LTG because putting up big numbers on trash teams like Melo did always impressed him
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Liberal Lion
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I don’t care who the best player was. They were 5-14 when they benched him, if they were interested in tanking they would have let him keep starting. If they were interested in tanking they would have started him again when they were winning 7 in a row and 9 out of 12 with him on the bench.

If they weren't interested in tanking they would not have traded him while they were on a 5 game winning streak with him playing well. They went from contending for a playoff spot to contending for the No.1 pick overnight.

If benching him made them so much better then they never would have gone 6-21 after he was traded.
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Liberal Lion
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KDdidit wrote:

They were 28-54 in the season those stats you highlighted were from :lol:

It’s obviously LTG because putting up big numbers on trash teams like Melo did always impressed him

And they were much worse without him the following year :lol: :lol:
If Theus wasn't their best player then who was? Not surprisingly you seem to be ducking the question. Got a little Brick in ya aye?
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They tanked. Jordan was their 3rd choice.


Yep and they were thisclose to getting the number 1 overall that year.


The Dream would have been alright too.


Oh yeah. Funny how tanking is 'stupid" and "doesn't work" yet from 84-95 8 championships were won by teams that tanked.
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They tanked. Jordan was their 3rd choice.


Yep and they were thisclose to getting the number 1 overall that year.


The Dream would have been alright too.

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Liberal Lion wrote:
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They were 28-54 in the season those stats you highlighted were from :lol:

It’s obviously LTG because putting up big numbers on trash teams like Melo did always impressed him

And they were much worse without him the following year :lol: :lol:
If Theus wasn't their best player then who was? Not surprisingly you seem to be ducking the question. Got a little Brick in ya aye?


If your best player leads you to a 28-54 record the previous year it just means your “best” player isn’t very good. Trading a guy that’s not very good, a guy that carried you to a 5-14 record when he started and then your record improved when you benched him doesn’t scream “tanking.” Sure their record was bad after they traded him, not surprising that the guys who put together the 28-54 team missed on talent evaluation.
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KDdidit wrote:
If your best player leads you to a 28-54 record the previous year it just means your “best” player isn’t very good. Trading a guy that’s not very good, a guy that carried you to a 5-14 record when he started and then your record improved when you benched him doesn’t scream “tanking.” Sure their record was bad after they traded him, not surprising that the guys who put together the 28-54 team missed on talent evaluation.


Malarkey! They knew that Steve Johnson was a bum when they traded for him. That's why they traded for him
That's why the tanking was so obvious.
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Not really. You can trade potential stars who maybe arent helping you win right now for draft picks. You can trade future picks for this year's draft. You can trade a good player because you're deep at the position and feel like you can win just as much without them.

All of those hypotheticals make your team worse though for this year. I think that's the part you aren't getting. Trading for a draft pick is trading production in the next game for potential better production in future seasons.

The Bears could trade Foles for the likely #1 pick in the draft next year and by your definition that would be tanking.

What?

Trading future picks for this years draft makes the current team worse? Trading a young guy with potential who isn't helping you win right now makes the team worse?

Trading Nick Foles would not make the Bears more likely to lose.

Assuming that you can't sign a player off the street who is just as good then trading a player for draft picks makes your current team worse. If the player you are trading isn't better than an unsigned player then you also aren't tanking by getting rid of them.

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Brick wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
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Not really. You can trade potential stars who maybe arent helping you win right now for draft picks. You can trade future picks for this year's draft. You can trade a good player because you're deep at the position and feel like you can win just as much without them.

All of those hypotheticals make your team worse though for this year. I think that's the part you aren't getting. Trading for a draft pick is trading production in the next game for potential better production in future seasons.

The Bears could trade Foles for the likely #1 pick in the draft next year and by your definition that would be tanking.

What?

Trading future picks for this years draft makes the current team worse? Trading a young guy with potential who isn't helping you win right now makes the team worse?

Trading Nick Foles would not make the Bears more likely to lose.

Assuming that you can't sign a player off the street who is just as good then trading a player for draft picks makes your current team worse. If the player you are trading isn't better than an unsigned player then you also aren't tanking by getting rid of them.

The end.


Of your trolling? Not a chance :lol:
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Welcome back, LTG.


Thanks Matt
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Long live thibs.

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They tanked. Jordan was their 3rd choice.


Yep and they were thisclose to getting the number 1 overall that year.


The Dream would have been alright too.

A million dollars isn't cool. You know what's cool? A billion dollars.


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Welcome back, LTG.


Thanks Matt

There’s not a chance this is LTG.

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Long live thibs.

Death to irving's overratedness

Welcome back ltg.


Thanks Vegan.
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Liberal Lion wrote:
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Long live thibs.

Death to irving's overratedness

Welcome back ltg.


Thanks Vegan.

Ditto. Thanks for showing back up. I was kinda looking for you elsewhere with no luck.
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Need to see Liberal Lion at the summer league before we can get a real idea of who he is

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Need to see Liberal Lion at the summer league before we can get a real idea of who he is


Summer League Basketball is Fantastic!
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Liberal Lion wrote:
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Need to see Liberal Lion at the summer league before we can get a real idea of who he is


Summer League Basketball is Fantastic!

That dont sound like LTG

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Need to see Liberal Lion at the summer league before we can get a real idea of who he is


Summer League Basketball is Fantastic!

That dont sound like LTG

Correct. Nor did the OP.

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