They should change. It’s a dumb, racist name and we have evolved, right? I’m serious.

They should change. It’s a dumb, racist name and we have evolved, right? I’m serious.

Dumb, yes. Racist? That's a tough sell. It's racist just because it's dumb and they aren't from India? Indian hasn't been used as a pejorative term in our lifetimes.

You can pretend the logo didn’t exist or represent the name and the team but we know better.

The logo existed and was obviously racist. If you think that means the team name is racist we'll have to disagree on that. It's not.

The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.

The logo existed and was obviously racist. If you think that means the team name is racist we'll have to disagree on that. It's not.

The Indians weren't the Spiders. That was an unrelated team. They were the Blues and the Naps. Also the Forest Citys, I believe, though I've never thought of Cleveland as particularly verdant.



No they won't. The Braves got as much hell as the Indians and Redskins did, and the Indians going down will cause the wokes to start over against the Blackhawks. They won't rest until they get everything they want, and they always do.

I didn't like the logo because it's a pet peeve of mine when baseball caps don't have letters on the front. (The only one I don't mind is the Blue Jays. I hated that Astros star with a side missing.) The name itself is neutral. It's been there for like 100 years. Who cares. Why care?

Seems like something that should be decided by the people it purportedly targets.

That's my general rule on slurs, etc

With that said, I give all my blessing for "Mick, Cracker, or Honkee"

If they started the team tomorrow, would Indians be considered? Of course not. And not just because they are in Cleveland. If the team moved to Oklahoma or New Mexico it still wouldn’t be be an option. Why? Because we don’t use ethnicity - particularly one that has nothing to do with the sport - as an identity.

So do you take a vote? If 60% are Ok with it it’s fine?

I guess man. To me this is a pretty clear example of folks reaching but whatever, the logo was racist and tied to the name so launch it I guess. But it's gonna get tougher and tougher to justify going after names like the Blackhawks and Chiefs and they're going to and it's gonna lead to a turning point in the culture discussion like I mentioned earlier in this thread.

The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.

So do you take a vote? If 60% are Ok with it it’s fine?

I think what burns me up is that all the changes I want -- Medicare for All, massive infrastructure projects, police reform -- are impossible no matter how hard we fight. All the changes these tumblr shits want are easy as pie: just whine to Pepsi and FedEx until you get your way.

IIRC, there was a dude who owned both the Spiders and either the Browns or the Cardinals. He siphoned off the talent from Cleveland and folded it up or sold it.
I hope they choose Spiders. A spider on a baseball cap would be kickass. Just please, I'm begging, no more singular nicknames.

Yea it doesnt really work in this type of situation but if an individual I interact with a lot feels like a certain term is offensive, Im usually fine using a different one.

A guy I work with thinks African American is dumb and prefers "black"

Fine with me

I know five (5) natives. All from my Army time. They all prefer natives (not native american) and all don't think Indians is a racist term, just dumb as Zippy said. They're split 3-2 on Redskins with the 3 saying it's nbd but that seems enough to say that should be considered racist/slur.

i would not want to be the spiders - why name yourself after a insect a lot of ppl hate.

The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.

i would not want to be the spiders - why name yourself after a insect a lot of ppl hate.

I have MANY years of experience in trying to appreciate steaming piles of dogshit.

it's going to be a rock and roll theme. Like 'the rockers' or something.

There is not a damned thing wrong with people who are bull shitters.

It is nice to know you can log on here and always count on HY to make a stupid post in just about every thread.

Nah. The tide is already starting to turn and will be fully turned within a few years. People have mostly had enough.

And here I thought it was just angry white guys who are threatened by this nonsense .