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The Detroit thing is largely overdone as well. My brother went to school and lived downtown for three years a couple of decades ago. It was more desolate than crime ridden.

The city can be intimidating and I'd always say to keep your guard up. Don't carry yourself like a victim. I have spent most of my life since the early teens in this city center and never had real big problems. I'm not ignorant that something could happen but the chances aren't all that great.


When you are 5 ft tall female and weighed [b]115ish pounds[/b] with a 9 year old and the doorman is telling you don't walk anywhere it's hard not to think about how vulnerable you could be. :lol: I'd have less of a chance now that I'm older and weigh way more.

You have a safe little life. Hope it stays that way for you.

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The Detroit thing is largely overdone as well. My brother went to school and lived downtown for three years a couple of decades ago. It was more desolate than crime ridden.


if this was the 90's, i was there. and, yeah, it was mostly vacant in the city center areas. if you weren't out in the neighborhoods on the east or west side, you'd have to either be oblivious to your surroundings or looking for trouble to find it. didn't keep me from having 2 cars stolen and getting a gun pulled on me in an attempted mugging walking back from the bus stop (due to the cars being stolen thing).

I always thought that Detroit was safer than DC, if only because Detroit was so hollowed out.

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SE DC is a trip, at least back then. Spent a few summers in DC and had friends lived near the Capitol area. If you drove a few blocks beyond where they lived toward the river it was something. people hanging out in the streets, not letting cars pass. Like woah, what's this

Philly by far the most bombed out and somehow populated place I've experienced. Seemed like mile after mile of blight but there were still people living in those areas. Whereas Detroit the blighted areas, even then, mostly unoccupied or a random house a block occupied. Also philly and other east coast cities had row houses, one attached to the next to the next. Whereas Detroit built up with detached housing. So pop density was never as great as east coast cities.


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You sure about that? There's a full on gang war at Lawrence and Kedzie that's been raging for about a year. You really don't read much about it in the papers or see any TV coverage. I know you know a lot of cops. They'll give you the straight dope.


I know a few cops. They don't have very good things to say about Chicago right now. There are a lot of unknowns too.

Did they ever?
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The Detroit thing is largely overdone as well. My brother went to school and lived downtown for three years a couple of decades ago. It was more desolate than crime ridden.


if this was the 90's, i was there. and, yeah, it was mostly vacant in the city center areas. if you weren't out in the neighborhoods on the east or west side, you'd have to either be oblivious to your surroundings or looking for trouble to find it. didn't keep me from having 2 cars stolen and getting a gun pulled on me in an attempted mugging walking back from the bus stop (due to the cars being stolen thing).

I always thought that Detroit was safer than DC, if only because Detroit was so hollowed out.


I think I'd agree with this. Relentlessy rough place. Even the touristed areas were filled with homeless and con men. It's different now.

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The Detroit thing is largely overdone as well. My brother went to school and lived downtown for three years a couple of decades ago. It was more desolate than crime ridden.


if this was the 90's, i was there. and, yeah, it was mostly vacant in the city center areas. if you weren't out in the neighborhoods on the east or west side, you'd have to either be oblivious to your surroundings or looking for trouble to find it. didn't keep me from having 2 cars stolen and getting a gun pulled on me in an attempted mugging walking back from the bus stop (due to the cars being stolen thing).

I always thought that Detroit was safer than DC, if only because Detroit was so hollowed out.

Detroit has done a great job in making the downtown area quite safe. As long as you can see the monorail you are good to go. I may not be out at 3am in Detroit but that's true for any place.

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The Detroit thing is largely overdone as well. My brother went to school and lived downtown for three years a couple of decades ago. It was more desolate than crime ridden.


if this was the 90's, i was there. and, yeah, it was mostly vacant in the city center areas. if you weren't out in the neighborhoods on the east or west side, you'd have to either be oblivious to your surroundings or looking for trouble to find it. didn't keep me from having 2 cars stolen and getting a gun pulled on me in an attempted mugging walking back from the bus stop (due to the cars being stolen thing).

I always thought that Detroit was safer than DC, if only because Detroit was so hollowed out.

Detroit has done a great job in making the downtown area quite safe. As long as you can see the monorail you are good to go. I may not be out at 3am in Detroit but that's true for any place.

That last line is skipped over by way too many.

And Hussra, you're right about the problems of attached housing stock. As a kid we lived three blocks away from a 16 square block area of solid apartment buildings that got nicknamed "Terror Town" in the eighties. Anyone from nearby areas wanted most of the buildings torn down instead of getting rehabbed. I could go there whenever I wanted, but I knew the rules.

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Just fill up your gas tank on the way in so you don't have to get gas at a Detroit gas station. Even that citgo right off the freeway by Greektown casino/the stadiums people get robbed all the time, day/night, doesn't matter. Gas stations = spot filled with human atms to the locals
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And Hussra, you're right about the problems of attached housing stock. As a kid we lived three blocks away from a 16 square block area of solid apartment buildings that got nicknamed "Terror Town" in the eighties. Anyone from nearby areas wanted most of the buildings torn down instead of getting rehabbed. I could go there whenever I wanted, but I knew the rules.


where the heck do people who live in 'Terror Town' go for a fright during Halloween
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Cops I'd run into drinking along Irving Park would mention the "park" up that way as being a hold-out area they always had issues with. Sounds like it's moved further south, gentrification receding? Quality Mediterranean food in that era, Lawrence & Kedzie; closest I found in Chicago to the places all over Detroit. Used to watch games at Golden Crust, dunno if it's still open. It seemed new at the time (bout 5 yrs back). Everybody that worked there super geeked up on the yay. Usually not a recipe for long-term success for a bar. Buddy caught an std from a bartender chick there, skinny blonde, short hair, severe daddy issues. Good times.


Looks like they are open: http://gctap.com/ And the later did not make the Yelp review.

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The SE side of Milwaukee (Bay View) has traditionally been a fun place to hang out and drink and eat. And the area west of Miller Park and the fairgrounds is not bad for families, stretching out to Brookfield.

Throw in a stop at Kopp's or Leon's, a Sobelman's stop for a burger and beer, a couple of breweries if you don't have kids, and a baseball game, and Milwaukee pre COVID was always a fun place to go up for a weekend a couple of times a year. Then stop at the Costco near Kenosha on the way home and load up on stuff you were going to buy anyway, but with a lower sales tax.


Good to know. They haven't said specifically where it's going to be yet.

They are probably going to be too cheap to do it downtown unless they need an arena. Airport area is fine, there is a good Holiday Inn Express on 13th which is family oriented. Out by Brookfield, the Sheraton is large and right next to a bunch of stuff as well as 94. I've stayed at both a dozen times at least.

If you are in Brookfield or around Miller Park, pick up pizza at Balistreri's (either the original on 68th or the larger one on Bluemound, get the zucchini appetizer).

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Buddy caught an std from a bartender chick there, skinny blonde, short hair, severe daddy issues. Good times.


He sounds kinda g.a.y
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Used to watch games at Golden Crust, dunno if it's still open. It seemed new at the time (bout 5 yrs back). Everybody that worked there super geeked up on the yay. Usually not a recipe for long-term success for a bar. Buddy caught an std from a bartender chick there, skinny blonde, short hair, severe daddy issues. Good times.


Looks like they are open: http://gctap.com/ And the later did not make the Yelp review.


:D too bad, that's the sort of useful info people need

they had an all season patio/beer garden with the large panel type windows they could remove to make it open air, so they probably kept it going regardless of quarantine rules + pizza delivery
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And Hussra, you're right about the problems of attached housing stock. As a kid we lived three blocks away from a 16 square block area of solid apartment buildings that got nicknamed "Terror Town" in the eighties. Anyone from nearby areas wanted most of the buildings torn down instead of getting rehabbed. I could go there whenever I wanted, but I knew the rules.


where the heck do people who live in 'Terror Town' go for a fright during Halloween

They'd walk 3-4 blocks over to the land of ranches and Georgians and export the fright whilst snatching candy bags.

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Buddy caught an std from a bartender chick there, skinny blonde, short hair, severe daddy issues. Good times.


He sounds kinda g.a.y


yeah, he gets that a lot.
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Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
Spaulding wrote:
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The SE side of Milwaukee (Bay View) has traditionally been a fun place to hang out and drink and eat. And the area west of Miller Park and the fairgrounds is not bad for families, stretching out to Brookfield.

Throw in a stop at Kopp's or Leon's, a Sobelman's stop for a burger and beer, a couple of breweries if you don't have kids, and a baseball game, and Milwaukee pre COVID was always a fun place to go up for a weekend a couple of times a year. Then stop at the Costco near Kenosha on the way home and load up on stuff you were going to buy anyway, but with a lower sales tax.


Good to know. They haven't said specifically where it's going to be yet.

They are probably going to be too cheap to do it downtown unless they need an arena. Airport area is fine, there is a good Holiday Inn Express on 13th which is family oriented. Out by Brookfield, the Sheraton is large and right next to a bunch of stuff as well as 94. I've stayed at both a dozen times at least.

If you are in Brookfield or around Miller Park, pick up pizza at Balistreri's (either the original on 68th or the larger one on Bluemound, get the zucchini appetizer).

My favorite restaurant in the area.

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Cops I'd run into drinking along Irving Park would mention the "park" up that way as being a hold-out area they always had issues with. Sounds like it's moved further south, gentrification receding? Quality Mediterranean food in that era, Lawrence & Kedzie; closest I found in Chicago to the places all over Detroit. Used to watch games at Golden Crust, dunno if it's still open. It seemed new at the time (bout 5 yrs back). Everybody that worked there super geeked up on the yay. Usually not a recipe for long-term success for a bar. Buddy caught an std from a bartender chick there, skinny blonde, short hair, severe daddy issues. Good times.


Looks like they are open: http://gctap.com/ And the later did not make the Yelp review.


My family has been ordering from Golden Crust for at least 40 years. They normally don't deliver to our neighborhood but I would bet one or more of my family orders a pizza from them every week of the year so they make an exception.

That stadium pizza has been a family staple at parties since everyone started having kids. Two stadium pizzas and we still have no leftovers

They rehabbed it a few years ago and it is much more respectable

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Hawg Ass wrote:
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Spaulding wrote:
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The SE side of Milwaukee (Bay View) has traditionally been a fun place to hang out and drink and eat. And the area west of Miller Park and the fairgrounds is not bad for families, stretching out to Brookfield.

Throw in a stop at Kopp's or Leon's, a Sobelman's stop for a burger and beer, a couple of breweries if you don't have kids, and a baseball game, and Milwaukee pre COVID was always a fun place to go up for a weekend a couple of times a year. Then stop at the Costco near Kenosha on the way home and load up on stuff you were going to buy anyway, but with a lower sales tax.


Good to know. They haven't said specifically where it's going to be yet.

They are probably going to be too cheap to do it downtown unless they need an arena. Airport area is fine, there is a good Holiday Inn Express on 13th which is family oriented. Out by Brookfield, the Sheraton is large and right next to a bunch of stuff as well as 94. I've stayed at both a dozen times at least.

If you are in Brookfield or around Miller Park, pick up pizza at Balistreri's (either the original on 68th or the larger one on Bluemound, get the zucchini appetizer).

My favorite restaurant in the area.

Absolutely. But when it's a nice evening in the summer, sitting outside at Bluemound with the expanded menu is also a blast.

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Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
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Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
Spaulding wrote:
Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
The SE side of Milwaukee (Bay View) has traditionally been a fun place to hang out and drink and eat. And the area west of Miller Park and the fairgrounds is not bad for families, stretching out to Brookfield.

Throw in a stop at Kopp's or Leon's, a Sobelman's stop for a burger and beer, a couple of breweries if you don't have kids, and a baseball game, and Milwaukee pre COVID was always a fun place to go up for a weekend a couple of times a year. Then stop at the Costco near Kenosha on the way home and load up on stuff you were going to buy anyway, but with a lower sales tax.


Good to know. They haven't said specifically where it's going to be yet.

They are probably going to be too cheap to do it downtown unless they need an arena. Airport area is fine, there is a good Holiday Inn Express on 13th which is family oriented. Out by Brookfield, the Sheraton is large and right next to a bunch of stuff as well as 94. I've stayed at both a dozen times at least.

If you are in Brookfield or around Miller Park, pick up pizza at Balistreri's (either the original on 68th or the larger one on Bluemound, get the zucchini appetizer).

My favorite restaurant in the area.

Absolutely. But when it's a nice evening in the summer, sitting outside at Bluemound with the expanded menu is also a blast.

I honestly don't care for the Bluemound location.

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Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
Spaulding wrote:
Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
The SE side of Milwaukee (Bay View) has traditionally been a fun place to hang out and drink and eat. And the area west of Miller Park and the fairgrounds is not bad for families, stretching out to Brookfield.

Throw in a stop at Kopp's or Leon's, a Sobelman's stop for a burger and beer, a couple of breweries if you don't have kids, and a baseball game, and Milwaukee pre COVID was always a fun place to go up for a weekend a couple of times a year. Then stop at the Costco near Kenosha on the way home and load up on stuff you were going to buy anyway, but with a lower sales tax.


Good to know. They haven't said specifically where it's going to be yet.

They are probably going to be too cheap to do it downtown unless they need an arena. Airport area is fine, there is a good Holiday Inn Express on 13th which is family oriented. Out by Brookfield, the Sheraton is large and right next to a bunch of stuff as well as 94. I've stayed at both a dozen times at least.

If you are in Brookfield or around Miller Park, pick up pizza at Balistreri's (either the original on 68th or the larger one on Bluemound, get the zucchini appetizer).

Chester is spot on.
Downtown is great. 3rd Ward is great. the Pabst area is great. All safe.
Once you get to the west end of the Marquette area (Martin Drive Neighborhood)....bad, real bad. Then you hit the Washington Estates neighborhood and it's old money leading right in to Wauwatosa.

My former employer backed right into the Martin Drive neighborhood...it was awful.

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What the fuck, Karen?

You are regressing.


Right along with the rest of society. I'm sure it will get better as people as more and more people run out of resources.

I wouldn't plan a trip to Seattle, Portland, or NY for the foreseeable future either.


TV news and the internet are making you demented. Cities are safe. You could walk around north michigan avenue in your finest jewelry at midnight and no one would say boo to you.

I'll be your urban guide if need help.


You sure about that? There's a full on gang war at Lawrence and Kedzie that's been raging for about a year. You really don't read much about it in the papers or see any TV coverage. I know you know a lot of cops. They'll give you the straight dope.


There's been gangs fighting at Lawrence and Kedzie for the better part of the past 20 years.

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What the fuck, Karen?

You are regressing.


Right along with the rest of society. I'm sure it will get better as people as more and more people run out of resources.

I wouldn't plan a trip to Seattle, Portland, or NY for the foreseeable future either.


TV news and the internet are making you demented. Cities are safe. You could walk around north michigan avenue in your finest jewelry at midnight and no one would say boo to you.

I'll be your urban guide if need help.


You sure about that? There's a full on gang war at Lawrence and Kedzie that's been raging for about a year. You really don't read much about it in the papers or see any TV coverage. I know you know a lot of cops. They'll give you the straight dope.


There's been gangs fighting at Lawrence and Kedzie for the better part of the past 20 years.

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