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 Post subject: Re: GameStop
PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 8:52 am 
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Market manipulation apparently only applies to personal investors and the little guy.


No, do not give me that crap. The Mets owner himself was forced out of the hedge fund business because of insider trading at this firm. He had to change to a family office, meaning managing only his own money.

The SEC takes many enforcement actions each year. Elon himself paid $40m to the SEC to settle charges against him for his Twitter comments.

Shorting a stock is not market manipulation. Melvin makes its required SEC disclosures, I posted one yesterday. If you think something is overvalued then buying puts or shorting is a perfectly rational thing to do. There is way more manipulation daily with the buy side crowd putting up insane price targets.


No offense, but bullshit.

Hedge funds are known to short stocks and then get their connections on Wall Street and in government to talk about how low the stock is going to go... and shockingly, the stock drops. How is that different from what WSB has done? One is common practice because of the people they know, the other is suddenly market manipulation because the big guys are losing cash.

I don't feel sorry for Melvin at all.



For hedge funds that do that, it is manipulation. I hope you understand most hedge funds are net long. Melvin is heavily net long.

I do not believe what these individual investors are doing is manipulation in an illegal sense. It has become a crazy momentum trade.

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 Post subject: Re: GameStop
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people in the wsb reddit group showing screenshots of robinhood and other trading platforms that arent allowing new buys of GME

Another great side effect of this has putting it out on the open who many of these financial services for "the people" actually serve.


must be buried in their terms of service that they can unilaterally decide they can "protect" you from a free market by restricting your ability to access the market


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 Post subject: Re: GameStop
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The brokers are literally picking a side right now, and personal investors are going to feel the brunt of this. It's complete garbage and Robinhood will feel the pain of caving from their users for awhile.


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 Post subject: Re: GameStop
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Should I short some GME here? I could make mad money!


Yeah go for it.

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I feel pretty stupid that my investing strategy includes holding stocks for more than a week.

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Gamestop is in the red! Sell sell sell


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I do not really understand anything that is going on here. But a Ugie and denis feud would be fun.

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Of course Jim Cramer has been off the past two days lol


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I do not really understand anything that is going on here. But a Ugie and denis feud would be fun.

Count me in as well.

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 Post subject: Re: GameStop
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I do not really understand anything that is going on here. But a Ugie and denis feud would be fun.

Yup. denis seems about to go all in defending the billionaires.

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 Post subject: Re: GameStop
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denisdman wrote:
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Market manipulation apparently only applies to personal investors and the little guy.


No, do not give me that crap. The Mets owner himself was forced out of the hedge fund business because of insider trading at this firm. He had to change to a family office, meaning managing only his own money.

The SEC takes many enforcement actions each year. Elon himself paid $40m to the SEC to settle charges against him for his Twitter comments.

Shorting a stock is not market manipulation. Melvin makes its required SEC disclosures, I posted one yesterday. If you think something is overvalued then buying puts or shorting is a perfectly rational thing to do. There is way more manipulation daily with the buy side crowd putting up insane price targets.


No offense, but bullshit.

Hedge funds are known to short stocks and then get their connections on Wall Street and in government to talk about how low the stock is going to go... and shockingly, the stock drops. How is that different from what WSB has done? One is common practice because of the people they know, the other is suddenly market manipulation because the big guys are losing cash.

I don't feel sorry for Melvin at all.



For hedge funds that do that, it is manipulation. I hope you understand most hedge funds are net long. Melvin is heavily net long.

I do not believe what these individual investors are doing is manipulation in an illegal sense. It has become a crazy momentum trade.


Fair enough, and yes, most are net long for sure. I just hold the opinion that talking to one another and "hot stock tips wink wink" are just as manipulative as what WSB has done. The stock market has value because people believe value exists. It's all funny money that we agree to accept.


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 Post subject: Re: GameStop
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RFDC wrote:
I do not really understand anything that is going on here. But a Ugie and denis feud would be fun.

Nobody wants a Spanky by proxy return.

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 Post subject: Re: GameStop
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Of course Jim Cramer has been off the past two days lol


Yeah I think Cramer was given a little timeout for his endorsement of WSB.

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 Post subject: Re: GameStop
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This story is too mainstream now. I bet tomorrow we will see a big dump and then all the college kids who got in at 100+ will start complaining that they got screwed.


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 Post subject: Re: GameStop
PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 9:30 am 
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This story is being taken up a notch. The brokers now seem to be helping the hedge funds into a dip because you can sell your shares but not buy them and people who don't have multiple accounts have no option.

The SEC needs to investigate that.

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This story is too mainstream now. I bet tomorrow we will see a big dump and then all the college kids who got in at 100+ will start complaining that they got screwed.


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It's not organic, though. It's because the conglomerates worked together to shut it down and not allow trades.

The free market at work, according to Wall Street!


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 Post subject: Re: GameStop
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It's going to pretty funny if even that couldn't stop Gamestop from going up.

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GME HALTED

BTW, shouldn't AMC issue stock since they were on the verge of bankruptcy a few weeks ago.


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 Post subject: Re: GameStop
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Robinhood doesn’t support GME. Fuck these people. This is totalitarian.

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This story is too mainstream now. I bet tomorrow we will see a big dump and then all the college kids who got in at 100+ will start complaining that they got screwed.


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i understand none of this yet i cant stop following this story


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i understand none of this yet i cant stop following this story


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 Post subject: Re: GameStop
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It's hilarious that they just destroyed a company worth $12 billion to stop this and it worked for about 15 minutes.

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It's hilarious that they just destroyed a company worth $12 billion to stop this and it worked for about 15 minutes.

CashApp is going to take all of Robinhood's business over this.

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 Post subject: Re: GameStop
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i understand none of this yet i cant stop following this story


The markets are fun. The best thing about wfh is watching CNBC all day.

This has turned into a momentum trade. Everyone is jumping on the same side of the action. It is actually a common trading technique but usually with high quality tech companies. You just ride the wave of a rapidly rising stock without regard to valuation.

The wrinkle here is the rally was led by retail investors and in a stock that had a huge short interest.

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