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I posted on another thread how far Chicago has fallen in the U.S.

Growing up in 70s and 80s Chicago was seen as a cool place. The Second city, vibrant, people flocking. I understand loss of manufacturing jobs since then, but what can be done to see the city flourish again.

If you look around at the big cities NYC is on its own place. Basically the "capital" of the country let alone world. L.A. is No. 2.

Chicago used to be in that consideration, not even close now. Also, bigger citie with higher real estate and more desirability are Miami, San Fran Seattle metro, Boston and metro. Philly is getting close. Then you have Houston that I personally find hideous, but constant growth since the 90s.

Then the smaller cities like Austin, Nashville have been the boom cities, on a lesser note Atlanta, Charlotte.

So what can be done?

Chicago weather sucks, nothing can be done about that, but it sucked in the 60s and 80s.
I think an overhaul of our tax structure. At 5% now which is not bad, but the property taxes esp in in the burbs are just insane and one can only write off 10K off taxes.

So what can be done for CHicago and Chicagoland.

The pros - a beautiful downtown area, great entertainment, restaurants when no pandemic. Great sports scene. Great culture.

It just seems like Chicago has been unsexy to people in all industries. No free agent in the NBA wants to play here, everyone I know up here who gets a job elsewhere is gone, look at the stats since 2000.

Can anything be done to reverse course? Curious some thoughts


It's a catch-22.

Chicago has been risin', pre-pandemic.

This metro area went from being a downtrodden blue-collar city to a touristy fashionable city. Much safer than in the 70s and 80s.
Thanks to Daley.

And more recently, theyve started doin' more movies and TV shows here.

The problem is, it's lost its character. I don't even know what a typical Chicagoan is these days. Everybody, especially in the city is a fake white uber liberal, mostly from other states and countries, that likes museums, favors bikers over drivers, defends gays and trannies over heteros, and hates Trump. But still sexually conservative and overall segregated (this is what I mean by fake). The values that come from working class, industrial environments unfortunately are ridiculed. The good part though, is that it keeps getting replenished with hot women.

As far as on the world stage, Chicago is nothing. Nobody abroad thinks of Chicago when coming to the U.S. At all. They think of New York. Chicago is a place they land at for practical reasons, e.g., job, or school, or something. And then they see how shiny it is in the summer and they think it's a great city. But ultimately, nobody that comes here stays here. They end up going to the coasts at some point.
From Condé de Naste Traveler magazine 2019...

For the third year in a row, Chicago was named the best big city in the U.S. by the readers of Condé Nast Traveler. The popular travel magazine recognized the city as “a world-class destination” with impressive architecture, museums, culinary scene, and “some of the most pleasant people you’ll find anywhere.”

The publication collected votes from a record 600,000 subscribers for this year’s Readers’ Choice Awards. The Second City again held on to the first spot, retaining its best big city crown from 2018 and 2017. In 2016, Chicago was runner-up to New York—which slipped to seventh place in this year’s rankings.

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No, Zippy, the ice cream poo retard is right, Chicago has fallen on hard times because there are too many gays who go to museums.

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Even pre-Covid, no one was rushing to move to Chicago. The population over the last 20 years has been on a slight decline. That's despite the population of the US growing by roughly 20% in that same time period.

Chicago suffers from many of the problems I have outlined in the "Suburbs win again" thread but on top of those issues with city living in 2021, it has the compounded effect of the problems that Illinois has. I can only imagine that the exodus from Chicago and Illinois in general will accelerate as taxes are about to jump at the same time services will be cut. If you're looking to invest in real estate, I'd run about as far away from Chicago as I could.

It seems like the current trend is that people from Chicago are moving to the suburbs and in turn people from the suburbs are moving out of state.

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How bout them property taxes?!?!?!?

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I posted on another thread how far Chicago has fallen in the U.S.

Growing up in 70s and 80s Chicago was seen as a cool place. The Second city, vibrant, people flocking. I understand loss of manufacturing jobs since then, but what can be done to see the city flourish again.

If you look around at the big cities NYC is on its own place. Basically the "capital" of the country let alone world. L.A. is No. 2.

Chicago used to be in that consideration, not even close now. Also, bigger citie with higher real estate and more desirability are Miami, San Fran Seattle metro, Boston and metro. Philly is getting close. Then you have Houston that I personally find hideous, but constant growth since the 90s.

Then the smaller cities like Austin, Nashville have been the boom cities, on a lesser note Atlanta, Charlotte.

So what can be done?

Chicago weather sucks, nothing can be done about that, but it sucked in the 60s and 80s.
I think an overhaul of our tax structure. At 5% now which is not bad, but the property taxes esp in in the burbs are just insane and one can only write off 10K off taxes.

So what can be done for CHicago and Chicagoland.

The pros - a beautiful downtown area, great entertainment, restaurants when no pandemic. Great sports scene. Great culture.

It just seems like Chicago has been unsexy to people in all industries. No free agent in the NBA wants to play here, everyone I know up here who gets a job elsewhere is gone, look at the stats since 2000.

Can anything be done to reverse course? Curious some thoughts


It's a catch-22.

Chicago has been risin', pre-pandemic.

This metro area went from being a downtrodden blue-collar city to a touristy fashionable city. Much safer than in the 70s and 80s.
Thanks to Daley.

And more recently, theyve started doin' more movies and TV shows here.

The problem is, it's lost its character. I don't even know what a typical Chicagoan is these days. Everybody, especially in the city is a fake white uber liberal, mostly from other states and countries, that likes museums, favors bikers over drivers, defends gays and trannies over heteros, and hates Trump. But still sexually conservative and overall segregated (this is what I mean by fake). The values that come from working class, industrial environments unfortunately are ridiculed. The good part though, is that it keeps getting replenished with hot women.

As far as on the world stage, Chicago is nothing. Nobody abroad thinks of Chicago when coming to the U.S. At all. They think of New York. Chicago is a place they land at for practical reasons, e.g., job, or school, or something. And then they see how shiny it is in the summer and they think it's a great city. But ultimately, nobody that comes here stays here. They end up going to the coasts at some point.


It would take a full day of posting to get through the incorrect assumptions of these two threads.

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No, Zippy, the ice cream poo retard is right, Chicago has fallen on hard times because there are too many gays who go to museums.
This right here is the essence of C(s)FMB.

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Even pre-Covid, no one was rushing to move to Chicago. The population over the last 20 years has been on a slight decline. That's despite the population of the US growing by roughly 20% in that same time period.

Chicago suffers from many of the problems I have outlined in the "Suburbs win again" thread but on top of those issues with city living in 2021, it has the compounded effect of the problems that Illinois has. I can only imagine that the exodus from Chicago and Illinois in general will accelerate as taxes are about to jump at the same time services will be cut. If you're looking to invest in real estate, I'd run about as far away from Chicago as I could.

It seems like the current trend is that people from Chicago are moving to the suburbs and in turn people from the suburbs are moving out of state.


the current trend? You mean a 10 month trend, I assume. Otherwise, I think you are incorrect. I think if you dig deeper into those population shift numbers you would find Chicago has been losing its african american and older populations most quickly. The continued building boom in the city center suggests that young and single are still flocking to Chicago. I assume Chicago would be the top location for work for big ten college grads.

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I assume Chicago would be the top location for work for big ten college grads.

Reason enough to nuke it and start over.

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I love GD, but there is no point in trying to change his mind about Chicago.

It’s a utopia as far as he’s concerned.

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I love GD, but there is no point in trying to change his mind about Chicago.

It’s a utopia as far as he’s concerned.
He's over the top with it for sure, but on the flip side Chicago is nowhere near as bad as Ogie described.

As with most things, the truth is somewhere in the middle.

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I love GD, but there is no point in trying to change his mind about Chicago.

It’s a utopia as far as he’s concerned.
He's over the top with it for sure, but on the flip side Chicago is nowhere near as bad as Ogie described.

As with most things, the truth is somewhere in the middle.

The thing that is often missed in these discussions is how every area has problems. Nashville seems to be one of the hot "I'd go there" areas but I'm sure on the Nashville Fanatics Message Board there are people complaining about a bunch of things and saying they would move to Charlotte if they could.

Chicago is great besides having a weather situation that is far worse than most given that you get long winters and still get very hot summers.

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Jbi11s wrote:
I love GD, but there is no point in trying to change his mind about Chicago.

It’s a utopia as far as he’s concerned.


I may wave pom poms but there are people who seem to want their choice to move supported by objectively untrue beliefs. Find your nirvana and place value for where you reside in whatever you like.

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I love GD, but there is no point in trying to change his mind about Chicago.

It’s a utopia as far as he’s concerned.


I may wave pom poms but there are people who seem to want their choice to move supported by objectively untrue beliefs. Find your nirvana and place value for where you reside in whatever you like.

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Even pre-Covid, no one was rushing to move to Chicago. The population over the last 20 years has been on a slight decline. That's despite the population of the US growing by roughly 20% in that same time period.

Chicago suffers from many of the problems I have outlined in the "Suburbs win again" thread but on top of those issues with city living in 2021, it has the compounded effect of the problems that Illinois has. I can only imagine that the exodus from Chicago and Illinois in general will accelerate as taxes are about to jump at the same time services will be cut. If you're looking to invest in real estate, I'd run about as far away from Chicago as I could.

It seems like the current trend is that people from Chicago are moving to the suburbs and in turn people from the suburbs are moving out of state.


the current trend? You mean a 10 month trend, I assume. Otherwise, I think you are incorrect. I think if you dig deeper into those population shift numbers you would find Chicago has been losing its african american and older populations most quickly. The continued building boom in the city center suggests that young and single are still flocking to Chicago. I assume Chicago would be the top location for work for big ten college grads.

US Census data from before Covid showed that Chicago had a slight population drop since the 2010 census. The drop from 2010-2019 was not as large as the drop from 2000-2010, but it was still a drop.

There is building downtown, but the city overall is losing population and that will now be accelerated by recent events. It looks like those new condos being built are going to be empty for some time. Even before Covid, Chicago condo prices have yet to recover to 2006 levels. Very few housing markets failed to recover and surpass pre-crash levels, but Chicago is one of those few.

https://www.chicagobusiness.com/residen ... way-behind

It's worth noting that most parts of the country right now are seeing a lack of inventory on the market as homes coming to market are finding themselves the subject of bidding wars with multiple buyers trying to get them.

https://www.chicagobusiness.com/residen ... 000s-crash

Young people did move to Chicago after college. I'm entering my mid 30s and probably half of my college friends moved to Chicago after graduating 10-12 years ago. I think only a couple of them are still there. They moved to the suburbs or left the state entirely once they met their significant other and started thinking about a family.

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
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Even pre-Covid, no one was rushing to move to Chicago. The population over the last 20 years has been on a slight decline. That's despite the population of the US growing by roughly 20% in that same time period.

Chicago suffers from many of the problems I have outlined in the "Suburbs win again" thread but on top of those issues with city living in 2021, it has the compounded effect of the problems that Illinois has. I can only imagine that the exodus from Chicago and Illinois in general will accelerate as taxes are about to jump at the same time services will be cut. If you're looking to invest in real estate, I'd run about as far away from Chicago as I could.

It seems like the current trend is that people from Chicago are moving to the suburbs and in turn people from the suburbs are moving out of state.


the current trend? You mean a 10 month trend, I assume. Otherwise, I think you are incorrect. I think if you dig deeper into those population shift numbers you would find Chicago has been losing its african american and older populations most quickly. The continued building boom in the city center suggests that young and single are still flocking to Chicago. I assume Chicago would be the top location for work for big ten college grads.

US Census data from before Covid showed that Chicago had a slight population drop since the 2010 census. The drop from 2010-2019 was not as large as the drop from 2000-2010, but it was still a drop.

There is building downtown, but the city overall is losing population and that will now be accelerated by recent events. It looks like those new condos being built are going to be empty for some time. Even before Covid, Chicago condo prices have yet to recover to 2006 levels. Very few housing markets failed to recover and surpass pre-crash levels, but Chicago is one of those few.

https://www.chicagobusiness.com/residen ... way-behind



from the article you cited:

The index is a gross measure of the entire region’s home values, encompassing both hot spots like the West Loop, where prices have skyrocketed since the bust, and south Cook County suburbs, whose home values continued sinking long after the recovery was in full swing.

This is, essentially, a repeat of what I wrote without getting into the particulars of who is buying in the West Loop and who is selling in the south suburbs

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Even pre-Covid, no one was rushing to move to Chicago. The population over the last 20 years has been on a slight decline. That's despite the population of the US growing by roughly 20% in that same time period.

Chicago suffers from many of the problems I have outlined in the "Suburbs win again" thread but on top of those issues with city living in 2021, it has the compounded effect of the problems that Illinois has. I can only imagine that the exodus from Chicago and Illinois in general will accelerate as taxes are about to jump at the same time services will be cut. If you're looking to invest in real estate, I'd run about as far away from Chicago as I could.

It seems like the current trend is that people from Chicago are moving to the suburbs and in turn people from the suburbs are moving out of state.


the current trend? You mean a 10 month trend, I assume. Otherwise, I think you are incorrect. I think if you dig deeper into those population shift numbers you would find Chicago has been losing its african american and older populations most quickly. The continued building boom in the city center suggests that young and single are still flocking to Chicago. I assume Chicago would be the top location for work for big ten college grads.

US Census data from before Covid showed that Chicago had a slight population drop since the 2010 census. The drop from 2010-2019 was not as large as the drop from 2000-2010, but it was still a drop.

There is building downtown, but the city overall is losing population and that will now be accelerated by recent events. It looks like those new condos being built are going to be empty for some time. Even before Covid, Chicago condo prices have yet to recover to 2006 levels. Very few housing markets failed to recover and surpass pre-crash levels, but Chicago is one of those few.

https://www.chicagobusiness.com/residen ... way-behind



from the article you cited:

The index is a gross measure of the entire region’s home values, encompassing both hot spots like the West Loop, where prices have skyrocketed since the bust, and south Cook County suburbs, whose home values continued sinking long after the recovery was in full swing.

This is, essentially, a repeat of what I wrote without getting into the particulars of who is buying in the West Loop and who is selling in the south suburbs

Yet there is a 24 month supply of condos right now, which tells us they are really having trouble selling current inventory.

You'd be hard pressed to find many other place in the country with a 24 month inventory of unsold condos. Most of the country is dealing with a lack of supply on market. Those West Loop condos probably will see their prices fall now since the supply was overbuilt.

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somehow a few people found a way to make money on real estate in such difficult market

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somehow a few people found a way to make money on real estate in such difficult market

https://www.chicagobusiness.com/crains- ... rd-profits
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I love GD, but there is no point in trying to change his mind about Chicago.

It’s a utopia as far as he’s concerned.

Hardly. That's civic pride.

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https://www.chicagobusiness.com/crains- ... rd-profits

So I listened to the podcast and here are some nuggets.

People are selling their home for $47k more than they paid on average (but that isn't accounting for upgrades and money people put into their home outside of their initial purchase). They point out that for much of the last decade Chicago home owners were losing money when they sold due to the slower recovery.

Also, that $47k number isn't that great. People in my neighborhood net more than that selling a home 2-3 years after initial purchase and that's with likely lower initial purchase prices than what you would find in the Chicago area. I went under contract on my home in early 2018. If I was to sell it today, 3 years alter, getting only $47k above what I paid for it means I need to fire my realtor given what's happening in my housing market. My market is unique so let's look at the rest of the country.

The same year a Chicago seller could expect $47k profit, the national average was $75k. Chicago's market is one that is below average in just about every metric.

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-release ... ion%20high.



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ATTOM Data Solutions, curator of the nation's premier property database and first property data provider of Data-as-a-Service (DaaS), today released its second-quarter 2020 U.S. Home Sales Report, which shows that home sellers nationwide realized a gain of $75,971 on the typical sale, up from the $66,500 in the first quarter of 2020 and from $65,250 in the second quarter of last year. The latest figure, based on median purchase and resale prices, marked yet another peak level of raw profits in the United States since the housing market began recovering from the Great Recession in 2012.

The typical $75,971 home-sale profit represented a 36.3 percent return on investment compared to the original purchase price, up from 34.5 percent in the first quarter of 2020 and from 33.7 percent a year ago, to another post-Recession high.

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One of the things which made Chicago unique was its mix of immigrants from a wide variety of nations albeit mostly European, with a significant migration both before and after WWII. Only New York and Los Angeles really compete, with the latter being more Asian and Hispanic in original focus than Chicago.

I don't see immigrants shaping Chicago in the future as much as the current crop of what used to be derisively called Chads and Trixies who came from the Purdues and Wisconsins, and Iowa States and polluted previously grimey areas like Old Town. Waspy fourth generation bros and their fuck toys who wouldn't know what to do with an aquarium rib tip or a Slovakian dumpling if it bit them in the ass.

And let's face it, a city based on bros from Midwestern farm towns is a city which wishes the Snuggery would make a triumphant comeback.

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One of the things which made Chicago unique was its mix of immigrants from a wide variety of nations albeit mostly European, with a significant migration both before and after WWII. Only New York and Los Angeles really compete, with the latter being more Asian and Hispanic in original focus than Chicago.

I don't see immigrants shaping Chicago in the future as much as the current crop of what used to be derisively called Chads and Trixies who came from the Purdues and Wisconsins, and Iowa States and polluted previously grimey areas like Old Town. Waspy fourth generation bros and their fuck toys who wouldn't know what to do with an aquarium rib tip or a Slovakian dumpling if it bit them in the ass.

And let's face it, a city based on bros from Midwestern farm towns is a city which wishes the Snuggery would make a triumphant comeback.


No one is immigrating from Europe any more because they all have an ok situation. The days where Soviet Bloc europeans would show up at O'Hare seeking asylum are done. Eastern European doctor's no longer have to come here to work as janitors in the hopes of a better life. On the other side of the continent, dirt farmers in Ireland can find good employment in their big cities now or on the continent. It probably has a lot to do with the EU as well. However, you can still find european immigrants if you know where to look.

I think you will have to look to other areas for your immigrant vibe.

Mexican immigration shut down first in the recession and then with the Trump presidency. However, there is still an incredibly strong Mexican/South American immigrant influence in this city.

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It doesn't have to be European immigration. A mix of Ghanans, Laotians, and Guatamalans can be as beneficial as a mix of Slovaks.

But the world's shit holes still have wifi these days. Everything has a veneer of similarities.

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I love GD, but there is no point in trying to change his mind about Chicago.

It’s a utopia as far as he’s concerned.
He's over the top with it for sure, but on the flip side Chicago is nowhere near as bad as Ogie described.

As with most things, the truth is somewhere in the middle.

The thing that is often missed in these discussions is how every area has problems. Nashville seems to be one of the hot "I'd go there" areas but I'm sure on the Nashville Fanatics Message Board there are people complaining about a bunch of things and saying they would move to Charlotte if they could.

Chicago is great besides having a weather situation that is far worse than most given that you get long winters and still get very hot summers.

I find it particularly funny that this is the "Chicago" fanatics message board when only a small percentage of the complaining posters actually live here.

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I love GD, but there is no point in trying to change his mind about Chicago.

It’s a utopia as far as he’s concerned.
He's over the top with it for sure, but on the flip side Chicago is nowhere near as bad as Ogie described.

As with most things, the truth is somewhere in the middle.

The thing that is often missed in these discussions is how every area has problems. Nashville seems to be one of the hot "I'd go there" areas but I'm sure on the Nashville Fanatics Message Board there are people complaining about a bunch of things and saying they would move to Charlotte if they could.

Chicago is great besides having a weather situation that is far worse than most given that you get long winters and still get very hot summers.

I find it particularly funny that this is the "Chicago" fanatics message board when only a small percentage of the complaining posters actually live here.

Says the Saints fan who lives in Chicago... :)

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Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
Brick wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Jbi11s wrote:
I love GD, but there is no point in trying to change his mind about Chicago.

It’s a utopia as far as he’s concerned.
He's over the top with it for sure, but on the flip side Chicago is nowhere near as bad as Ogie described.

As with most things, the truth is somewhere in the middle.

The thing that is often missed in these discussions is how every area has problems. Nashville seems to be one of the hot "I'd go there" areas but I'm sure on the Nashville Fanatics Message Board there are people complaining about a bunch of things and saying they would move to Charlotte if they could.

Chicago is great besides having a weather situation that is far worse than most given that you get long winters and still get very hot summers.

I find it particularly funny that this is the "Chicago" fanatics message board when only a small percentage of the complaining posters actually live here.

Says the Saints fan who lives in Chicago... :)

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Waspy fourth generation bros and their fuck toys who wouldn't know what to do with an aquarium rib tip or a Slovakian dumpling if it bit them in the ass.




:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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One of the things which made Chicago unique was its mix of immigrants from a wide variety of nations albeit mostly European, with a significant migration both before and after WWII. Only New York and Los Angeles really compete, with the latter being more Asian and Hispanic in original focus than Chicago.

I don't see immigrants shaping Chicago in the future as much as the current crop of what used to be derisively called Chads and Trixies who came from the Purdues and Wisconsins, and Iowa States and polluted previously grimey areas like Old Town. Waspy fourth generation bros and their fuck toys who wouldn't know what to do with an aquarium rib tip or a Slovakian dumpling if it bit them in the ass.

And let's face it, a city based on bros from Midwestern farm towns is a city which wishes the Snuggery would make a triumphant comeback.



I disagree, I think the city is practically ALL immigrants.

In the city at least, I dont sense that Midwestern bro thing at all.

The pandemic has kinda interrupted the immigrant thing, but it will be back soon enough. Not as much Europeans, but we are now a magnet for South Americans and Middle Easterners and Indians and Asians.

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Regular Reader wrote:
Brick wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Jbi11s wrote:
I love GD, but there is no point in trying to change his mind about Chicago.

It’s a utopia as far as he’s concerned.
He's over the top with it for sure, but on the flip side Chicago is nowhere near as bad as Ogie described.

As with most things, the truth is somewhere in the middle.

The thing that is often missed in these discussions is how every area has problems. Nashville seems to be one of the hot "I'd go there" areas but I'm sure on the Nashville Fanatics Message Board there are people complaining about a bunch of things and saying they would move to Charlotte if they could.

Chicago is great besides having a weather situation that is far worse than most given that you get long winters and still get very hot summers.

I find it particularly funny that this is the "Chicago" fanatics message board when only a small percentage of the complaining posters actually live here.



:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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The days where Soviet Bloc europeans would show up at O'Hare seeking asylum are done.



:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

wait. People actually did that? They would actually fly from Soviet Blocs to Ohare with nobody to stop them?

Wouldnt there be something to prevent them from getting on the plane in the first place? Wouldnt they need a visa or some shit?

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