So I listened to the podcast and here are some nuggets.

People are selling their home for $47k more than they paid on average (but that isn't accounting for upgrades and money people put into their home outside of their initial purchase). They point out that for much of the last decade Chicago home owners were losing money when they sold due to the slower recovery.

Also, that $47k number isn't that great. People in my neighborhood net more than that selling a home 2-3 years after initial purchase and that's with likely lower initial purchase prices than what you would find in the Chicago area. I went under contract on my home in early 2018. If I was to sell it today, 3 years alter, getting only $47k above what I paid for it means I need to fire my realtor given what's happening in my housing market. My market is unique so let's look at the rest of the country.

The same year a Chicago seller could expect $47k profit, the national average was $75k. Chicago's market is one that is below average in just about every metric.

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-release ... ion%20high.

Uh, so you are taking the average gain in Chicago and comparing it to your “baller” ozarkaplex hood?

You see the fallacy here? I am sure you have had nice appreciation in your property in the past three years, and I am sure your area is a nice area, baller if you will.

That said, there are baller people in Chicago who have gained 3-4 mill on their house in three years. Let’s keep apples to apples.

The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.

Cook county property tax bill arrived today for our arlington heights double-wide.
We have been in the house 31 years.
When we bought, the tax bill was $1,040.
Per inflation calculator our tax bill should now be $2,170.
2019 property tax $8,000.

Bully Hendry would have signed Harper for 2.5 Billion over 30 years

I'm comparing Chicago to the nationwide average for the same exact metric. Try reading again before making a complete and total ass of yourself.

Chicago average profit on home sale: $47k
US average profit on home sale: $75k

Glad I could clear that up for you, dumbass.

Bully Hendry would have signed Harper for 2.5 Billion over 30 years

I don't like white rappers.

Some good replies. I agree on the poster who said Chicago is better now than in the 80s. No doubt about it.

I grew up in the city in Edgewater in the 80s and Chicago just had an edge that it does not have in the U.S. anymore.

First just look at the the data, people have been moving out in large numbers since 2000.


Also, ever hear anyone from the coast or south say, "I am going to Chicago for a vacation or for the weekend?" I used to back in the 80s, early 90s.

Never hear it anymore. I do hear a lot from friends around the country of visiting NYC, LA, San Fan, Miami. Also lots of people moving to Nashville area and Austin as well.

I know LA is having its problems as well and NYC covid situation in my opinion will be gone in a year.

Most are dem ran cities, why is Chicago so bad at getting people outside the midwest to move to?

For 8 months it is a beautiful city that offers so much.

Young people did move to Chicago after college. I'm entering my mid 30s and probably half of my college friends moved to Chicago after graduating 10-12 years ago. I think only a couple of them are still there. They moved to the suburbs or left the state entirely once they met their significant other and started thinking about a family.

Have you been to Nashville, Houston, Austin, Charlotte and other Sunbelt areas attracting populations? At the moment it's short term first mover advantage. They severely lack the infrastructure to support the growth. They're sprawling into becoming cookie cutter soulless hellholes.

The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.

I've heard from people who moved to Nashville that the roads are hell on earth. And forget Chicago, you want to talk about a city that will struggle to recover from a loss of tourism, hospitality, and cubicle-farm jobs?

Some good replies. I agree on the poster who said Chicago is better now than in the 80s. No doubt about it.

I grew up in the city in Edgewater in the 80s and Chicago just had an edge that it does not have in the U.S. anymore.

First just look at the the data, people have been moving out in large numbers since 2000.


Also, ever hear anyone from the coast or south say, "I am going to Chicago for a vacation or for the weekend?" I used to back in the 80s, early 90s.

Never hear it anymore. I do hear a lot from friends around the country of visiting NYC, LA, San Fan, Miami. Also lots of people moving to Nashville area and Austin as well.

I know LA is having its problems as well and NYC covid situation in my opinion will be gone in a year.

Most are dem ran cities, why is Chicago so bad at getting people outside the midwest to move to?

For 8 months it is a beautiful city that offers so much.

I'm comparing Chicago to the nationwide average for the same exact metric. Try reading again before making a complete and total ass of yourself.

Chicago average profit on home sale: $47k
US average profit on home sale: $75k

The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.

Good story. Hard to argue with that kind of sourcing.

Tell me last time you have heard someone said. "I am going to Chicago!" who is not from Iowa, downstate or Indiana?

The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.

Tell me last time you have heard someone said. "I am going to Chicago!" who is not from Iowa, downstate or Indiana? I will hang up and listen.

And forget covid, talking years and decades before covid.

I am a Chicago backer, I think it is one of the best cities in the U.S. But businesses, people, have been going out the door the last 20 years.

I travel a lot(before Covid), all I hear now about Chicago is its cold and "dangerous."

Tourists are constantly taking pictures in front of the Picassos and the Flamingo

Tell me last time you have heard someone said. "I am going to Chicago!" who is not from Iowa, downstate or Indiana? I will hang up and listen.

And forget covid, talking years and decades before covid.

I am a Chicago backer, I think it is one of the best cities in the U.S. But businesses, people, have been going out the door the last 20 years.

I travel a lot(before Covid), all I hear now about Chicago is its cold and "dangerous."

The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.

Fun!

I would never dispute that Chicago is a great place to visit. It's living there that fucking sucks.

Then again, it is Chicagoans themselves who are voting with their feet on that matter.

I don't mind having this conversation with you and you usually bring up valid points.

It gets me going a bit when the exurbanites whose greatest travel adventure is never leaving the grounds of the Sandals resort on a vacation to Mexico or DR pipe in with their educated opinions about the thoughts of travelers around the world.