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Honestly, the story about that Aurora football kid getting kidnapped and tortured was tougher for me to read than watching that video was.

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JLN's desire for attention aside...

If you watched that video and didn't find it disturbing then you have somehow become de-sensitized to the world around us.

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Yea, Im just reading the Floyd thread for the first time, I was on a board break when that happened.


Some real gems in there. Nothing real surprising though.

As I said, JLN would be defending the murder in PA if the killer had a badge.


Talk about false equivalency.

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JLN's desire for attention aside...

If you watched that video and didn't find it disturbing then you have somehow become de-sensitized to the world around us.



That may be the case, but I see stuff like that- and worse- on the news everyday.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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JLN's desire for attention aside...

If you watched that video and didn't find it disturbing then you have somehow become de-sensitized to the world around us.



That may be the case, but I see stuff like that- and worse- on the news everyday.



No one watches a double murder video being shown on the news everyday.

I tripped over that thread by accident this morning. I really wish that I never watched that.

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Seacrest wrote:
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JLN's desire for attention aside...

If you watched that video and didn't find it disturbing then you have somehow become de-sensitized to the world around us.



That may be the case, but I see stuff like that- and worse- on the news everyday.



No one watches a double murder video being shown on the news everyday.

I tripped over that thread by accident this morning. I really wish that I never watched that.


Curiosity got the best of you?

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JLN's desire for attention aside...

If you watched that video and didn't find it disturbing then you have somehow become de-sensitized to the world around us.



That may be the case, but I see stuff like that- and worse- on the news everyday.



No one watches a double murder video being shown on the news everyday.

I tripped over that thread by accident this morning. I really wish that I never watched that.


Curiosity got the best of you?

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Seacrest wrote:
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JLN's desire for attention aside...

If you watched that video and didn't find it disturbing then you have somehow become de-sensitized to the world around us.



That may be the case, but I see stuff like that- and worse- on the news everyday.



No one watches a double murder video being shown on the news everyday.

I tripped over that thread by accident this morning. I really wish that I never watched that.

Not every day, but it was shown on the wacky WGN morning news show today


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Fine, I'll try to explain what I found so extra-disturbing in the video posted yesterday. I was hesitant to try because I don't know if diving into these kinds of thoughts will bring about depression or make it worse or what, but the board has earned an explanation of sorts:

There is a demonstrated, expressed sadistic nature to the way those people were murdered in Philly. As I have maintained, videos showcasing death are on some base level brutal and gruesome, no matter who is shown having their life ended, "deserved" or not. Sure, I or some others may respond to particular nasty people dying with things like "good" out of some kind of anger response, but at the end of the day a life is ending, and it looks more and more like we only get one shot at this thing called consciousness. But in the video posted yesterday, the two people killed were toyed with while they clung to life, not even having the ability to say anything, just making gutteral noises as they tried instinctually to stave off death as their tormenter repeatedly taunted them right before bringing an end to what was a few hours before just a normal day during a snowstorm. And that adds another element to the brutality of it, I suppose, there was no provocation, no conceivable justification. This wasn't an accident, or an unintended consequence of risky behavior. These people were intentionally caused immense harm, then taunted while suffering and killed by someone who seemed to enjoy (as evidenced by the tough-talking before execution and the repeated shots to make sure the deed was done) imposing fear on a wounded person right before they snuffed out their conscious form, for absolutely no reason. The end of their life, their last conscious moments, kept getting progressively worse and worse, as I can only imagine they tried to find a way to survive, not knowing that it was never a possibility that they'd live to see another day, their killer just...torturing them in their last moments.

When I watched the video, those are the connections my brain made, and it, I guess, scared the shit out of me.

Now MANY will try to equate videos like the one showing George Floyd's death, and use my statements and opinions of that incident as evidence of hypocrisy. I don't think I have ever said that Floyd's death wasn't a tragedy, or that hearing him beg for his life wasn't tough to watch (I'm pretty sure I said it was, at the time, but maybe not) or fear-inducing, but I don't really wish to get into the nitty-gritty of which death was more disturbing to watch and why, but I think it should be noted that arguing about whether actions that preceded death or caused it rose to the level of criminality is not the same as saying the death itself isn't tragic or in some odd way good. Suffice it to say that for the above reasons I found the deaths shown in the Philly video to be extremely disturbing.


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Don't watch the movie Soul for a few weeks then.

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I'm obviously with you insofar as I didn't think the video should be up here, but I sure as shit didn't watch it.


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I'm obviously with you insofar as I didn't think the video should be up here, but I sure as shit didn't watch it.

And I shouldn't have, and I won't watch something like that again.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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JLN's desire for attention aside...

If you watched that video and didn't find it disturbing then you have somehow become de-sensitized to the world around us.



That may be the case, but I see stuff like that- and worse- on the news everyday.



No one watches a double murder video being shown on the news everyday.

I tripped over that thread by accident this morning. I really wish that I never watched that.

Not every day, but it was shown on the wacky WGN morning news show today

I guess that I'm glad that I was knee deep into emails and Super Bowl happy talk. And cannot stomach the unfunny on that show.

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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I'm obviously with you insofar as I didn't think the video should be up here, but I sure as shit didn't watch it.

And I shouldn't have, and I won't watch something like that again.


Not trying to be a dick, but were you okay watching a regular video of 2 people getting killed?

The description said exactly what the video was.

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Of course the video is disturbing, but it was already "out there" on Twitter, YouTube, and news outlets. Whether it should be or not is a different question. It's not like Jbi11s searched for something on the dark web and posted it. That may be worthy of a banning, but not posting something that is already readily accessible.

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
KDdidit wrote:
I'm obviously with you insofar as I didn't think the video should be up here, but I sure as shit didn't watch it.

And I shouldn't have, and I won't watch something like that again.

You never know what eventually gets to you. I can't say I haven't watched some horrible things on /gif years ago. It didn't phase me back then, but at some point it does.


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Terry's Peeps wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
KDdidit wrote:
I'm obviously with you insofar as I didn't think the video should be up here, but I sure as shit didn't watch it.

And I shouldn't have, and I won't watch something like that again.


Not trying to be a dick, but were you okay watching a regular video of 2 people getting killed?

The description said exactly what the video was.

I don't remember what the warning said specifically, but I don't think it sufficiently covered what was captured on audio and video. Yes, I've watched videos of people getting killed before, and while they do bring about some level of the "self-aware panic", it can be tolerated in some amount. Not like this, though.


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The video did teach a lesson about snow removal etiquette at least.

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JLN's desire for attention aside...

If you watched that video and didn't find it disturbing then you have somehow become de-sensitized to the world around us.

The video was disturbing, but at the same time I'm pretty sure all of us have seen much worse. I mean you had videos 10x worse than that coming out daily in the summer of 2014 as ISIS was rolling down into Mosul.

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I think we can all agree that what JBills did was not a bannable offense or anything close to it.

JLN shouldnt be banned either.


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Fine, I'll try to explain what I found so extra-disturbing in the video posted yesterday. I was hesitant to try because I don't know if diving into these kinds of thoughts will bring about depression or make it worse or what, but the board has earned an explanation of sorts:

There is a demonstrated, expressed sadistic nature to the way those people were murdered in Philly. As I have maintained, videos showcasing death are on some base level brutal and gruesome, no matter who is shown having their life ended, "deserved" or not. Sure, I or some others may respond to particular nasty people dying with things like "good" out of some kind of anger response, but at the end of the day a life is ending, and it looks more and more like we only get one shot at this thing called consciousness. But in the video posted yesterday, the two people killed were toyed with while they clung to life, not even having the ability to say anything, just making gutteral noises as they tried instinctually to stave off death as their tormenter repeatedly taunted them right before bringing an end to what was a few hours before just a normal day during a snowstorm. And that adds another element to the brutality of it, I suppose, there was no provocation, no conceivable justification. This wasn't an accident, or an unintended consequence of risky behavior. These people were intentionally caused immense harm, then taunted while suffering and killed by someone who seemed to enjoy (as evidenced by the tough-talking before execution and the repeated shots to make sure the deed was done) imposing fear on a wounded person right before they snuffed out their conscious form, for absolutely no reason. The end of their life, their last conscious moments, kept getting progressively worse and worse, as I can only imagine they tried to find a way to survive, not knowing that it was never a possibility that they'd live to see another day, their killer just...torturing them in their last moments.

When I watched the video, those are the connections my brain made, and it, I guess, scared the shit out of me.

Now MANY will try to equate videos like the one showing George Floyd's death, and use my statements and opinions of that incident as evidence of hypocrisy. I don't think I have ever said that Floyd's death wasn't a tragedy, or that hearing him beg for his life wasn't tough to watch (I'm pretty sure I said it was, at the time, but maybe not) or fear-inducing, but I don't really wish to get into the nitty-gritty of which death was more disturbing to watch and why, but I think it should be noted that arguing about whether actions that preceded death or caused it rose to the level of criminality is not the same as saying the death itself isn't tragic or in some odd way good. Suffice it to say that for the above reasons I found the deaths shown in the Philly video to be extremely disturbing.


Thank you. I appreciate the honest answer.

This isn't a matter for agreement or disagreement. Feelings matter and everyone is entitled to his/her own.

I guess maybe I am desensitized. A few pops, some falling down, and some screaming, it really doesn't register with me much after I've seen video of mobs beating and kicking people on the street or guys arbitrarily knocking people onto the subway tracks.

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I think we can all agree that what JBills did was not a bannable offense or anything close to it.

JLN shouldnt be banned either.


HawaiiYou should be, though


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rogers park bryan wrote:
I think we can all agree that what JBills did was not a bannable offense or anything close to it.

JLN shouldnt be banned either.


JLN wants me banned because I cut deep into his attention seeking brittle shell of a psyche when him and Brogue wrongly accused me of doxxing the fire extinguisher throwing guy at the capitol riots.

What can I say?

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rogers park bryan wrote:
I think we can all agree that what JBills did was not a bannable offense or anything close to it.

JLN shouldnt be banned either.
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rogers park bryan wrote:
I think we can all agree that what JBills did was not a bannable offense or anything close to it.

JLN shouldnt be banned either.


HawaiiYou should be, though


https://youtu.be/W5FfJ89rGPc?t=31


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rogers park bryan wrote:
I think we can all agree that what JBills did was not a bannable offense or anything close to it.

JLN shouldnt be banned either.


nobody should be banned unless it's pedophilia or outright hateful racism.


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Don't watch the movie Soul for a few weeks then.


Yeah, We've been trying to find time to watch it...but I'm kind of expecting something sorta like the beginning of UP. Not sure I really feel like dealing with that.

I've seen more than enough disturbing video over the years. I have no interest in watching what JB posted...and have no trouble not clicking.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
I think we can all agree that what JBills did was not a bannable offense or anything close to it.

JLN shouldnt be banned either.


HawaiiYou should be, though

HY’s COVID pen story was the single best piece of content on this board in weeks.

Also, JBills thread gave us the below, which is an all time example of everything in a sentence that precedes ‘but’ doesn’t matter:

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I’m not defending the shooter, but I read somewhere the two victims routinely dumped their shoveled snow onto the other guy’s property.

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