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Apparently, this was necessary to write

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It's the duty of fiction writers to only portray gay or trans people as heroes apparently. And this is the person who should be deciding what is and is not culturally acceptable.

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Lecter was a therapist for at least two people who thought they were trans in that movie. One of them was just a run of the mill schizo.

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Just like a booger-coated finger a centimeter from your face, The Silence Of The Lambs is impossible to ignore.


Putting aside the gross and off putting first part here, this is just the problem with these lunatics in a nutshell. A movie that was made 30 years ago and is not at the center of any type of ongoing cultural conversation is impossible to ignore. ok

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However, the unintentional comedy of these articles is usually pretty good.

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But comparing the film to real-world events that Lector is referencing would show that Jame Gumb was attempting to transition for at least a decade before becoming Buffalo Bill.


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she seemed to be in a lot of mental disarray that she is feeling sorry for Jame Gumb. Is that extreme Wokeness, or is that just being a miserable, soft human who can't correctly keep things in a fiction vs reality perspective?

its fucking mind boggling. Basically this author is saying because the movie is tackling seemingly possible real world events...its wrong(?) because it doesnt follow a section of the internet's definition of "the right way" 30 years into the future from when it was made.

these types of people should just be slapped.

it potentially could've been a far more interesting article if its purpose was to actually study maybe the apparent diagnoses of the time and/or how far or short things have come since. Or, how it can be studied to whether it does or doesnt drive Gumb to commit those murders, or if its a self loathing type situation.

but no. of course the short route is taken and its all about the writers personal feelings of iCkyNesS.

some should not leave their live journal spaces.

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Still,not my favorite of the books turned into movies that featured Lector. Manhunter was far more on the edge and far better cast and director.

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He's "Lektor" in that one, right?

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SuperNintendoHjalmarsson wrote:
He's "Lektor" in that one, right?


I think so. Played by Brian Cox.

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so, does Red Dragon basically just retell the Manhunter storyline?

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SuperNintendoHjalmarsson wrote:
so, does Red Dragon basically just retell the Manhunter storyline?


Sounds like we’re ready for a sequel to tell a Trannyhunter storyline. We know someone likes lotion.

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SuperNintendoHjalmarsson wrote:
so, does Red Dragon basically just retell the Manhunter storyline?


Yeah.

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So the "author" seems to be a trans woman who likely still has a penis. Her girlfriend is lesbian. But is she really a lesbian if her partner has a penis, and she (I assume) takes the D? I get so confused.

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This has been a growing trend...take a movie that's celebrating a decades-long anniversary, and instead of celebrating it for what it was, find a microagression and exploit it to invalidate the film. make backhanded faint praise so you cover yourself that you recognize the film is "well-made", but completely dismiss everything else about it.

"silence of the lambs" isn't about buffalo bill. he's given enough screen time to establish his psychosis and his modus operandi. we know he's the villain. lecter is the more nuanced character, the window character, and somewhat of a herald to clarice.

and she's the main character. that's who the story revolves around, exemplified in the "lambs" scene about her father's death.

this "reviewer" completely ignores that, surprise surprise, and only talks about how much this movie was praised, along with all the awards it got.

i'm betting THEY don't even remember that not all critics bought into it. Gene Siskel panned it, giving it a thumbs down. Probably one of the few times he didn't give a film that wound up winning Best Picture a good grade. But no mention of that.

Instead, another solipsistic self-absorbed "critic" (of nothing more than whatever isn't a part of the agenda) who doesn't deserve the bandwidth. but, of course, saying that makes me transphobic and dangerous. so of course, that means the diatribe is brilliant.


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Damn, WZ. :cheers:

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W_Z wrote:
This has been a growing trend...take a movie that's celebrating a decades-long anniversary, and instead of celebrating it for what it was, find a microagression and exploit it to invalidate the film. make backhanded faint praise so you cover yourself that you recognize the film is "well-made", but completely dismiss everything else about it.

"silence of the lambs" isn't about buffalo bill. he's given enough screen time to establish his psychosis and his modus operandi. we know he's the villain. lecter is the more nuanced character, the window character, and somewhat of a herald to clarice.

and she's the main character. that's who the story revolves around, exemplified in the "lambs" scene about her father's death.

this "reviewer" completely ignores that, surprise surprise, and only talks about how much this movie was praised, along with all the awards it got.

i'm betting THEY don't even remember that not all critics bought into it. Gene Siskel panned it, giving it a thumbs down. Probably one of the few times he didn't give a film that wound up winning Best Picture a good grade. But no mention of that.

Instead, another solipsistic self-absorbed "critic" (of nothing more than whatever isn't a part of the agenda) who doesn't deserve the bandwidth. but, of course, saying that makes me transphobic and dangerous. so of course, that means the diatribe is brilliant.


Here is the Siskel and Ebert review: https://youtu.be/fgX0hASKpBU

Siskel has some strange thoughts, saying that the musical build up to Lector was too dramatic. There are a ton of reviews on YouTube. Siskel also disliked Aliens for being too much action, and the same with the Terminator.

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Siskel wasn't really into sci-fi action films. He didn't like "Predator" either.

He did, however, like & recommend "The Thing". and it completely went over Ebert's head.


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W_Z wrote:
Siskel wasn't really into sci-fi action films. He didn't like "Predator" either.

He did, however, like & recommend "The Thing". and it completely went over Ebert's head.


Siskel loved Back to the Future, while saying that he usually dislikes time travel and sci fi. He was a guy who wanted there to be some sort of positive message/character growth in a movie. I guess if Lector had renounced his serial killing ways at the end he would have given Lambs a better review.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
W_Z wrote:
Siskel wasn't really into sci-fi action films. He didn't like "Predator" either.

He did, however, like & recommend "The Thing". and it completely went over Ebert's head.


Siskel loved Back to the Future, while saying that he usually dislikes time travel and sci fi. He was a guy who wanted there to be some sort of positive message/character growth in a movie. I guess if Lector had renounced his serial killing ways at the end he would have given Lambs a better review.

Was a huge fan of Saturday Night Fever which aside from the music, aint all that great .

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
W_Z wrote:
Siskel wasn't really into sci-fi action films. He didn't like "Predator" either.

He did, however, like & recommend "The Thing". and it completely went over Ebert's head.


Siskel loved Back to the Future, while saying that he usually dislikes time travel and sci fi. He was a guy who wanted there to be some sort of positive message/character growth in a movie. I guess if Lector had renounced his serial killing ways at the end he would have given Lambs a better review.


BTTF was more character driven and that's what connected with both Siskel & Ebert. They both loved "Star Wars" and were a vocal minority of respected critics who supported those movies (especially "Jedi"). So there were movies in the genre that Siskel liked but he definitely had a pretty low tolerance for it overall.


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W_Z wrote:
This has been a growing trend...take a movie that's celebrating a decades-long anniversary, and instead of celebrating it for what it was, find a microagression and exploit it to invalidate the film. make backhanded faint praise so you cover yourself that you recognize the film is "well-made", but completely dismiss everything else about it.

"silence of the lambs" isn't about buffalo bill. he's given enough screen time to establish his psychosis and his modus operandi. we know he's the villain. lecter is the more nuanced character, the window character, and somewhat of a herald to clarice.

and she's the main character. that's who the story revolves around, exemplified in the "lambs" scene about her father's death.

this "reviewer" completely ignores that, surprise surprise, and only talks about how much this movie was praised, along with all the awards it got.

i'm betting THEY don't even remember that not all critics bought into it. Gene Siskel panned it, giving it a thumbs down. Probably one of the few times he didn't give a film that wound up winning Best Picture a good grade. But no mention of that.

Instead, another solipsistic self-absorbed "critic" (of nothing more than whatever isn't a part of the agenda) who doesn't deserve the bandwidth. but, of course, saying that makes me transphobic and dangerous. so of course, that means the diatribe is brilliant.


It was a good different watchable movie. 91 was weird for best picture.


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i was rooting for "Boyz in the Hood".


Siskel said that about Boyz in the Hood? I heard him say that in his Terminator review. I guess it was his go to when giving a thumbs down, but he didn't hate it.

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Watching T2 right now. That was a good movie.


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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Here is the Siskel and Ebert review: https://youtu.be/fgX0hASKpBU

Siskel has some strange thoughts, saying that the musical build up to Lector was too dramatic. There are a ton of reviews on YouTube. Siskel also disliked Aliens for being too much action, and the same with the Terminator.

Well, that took me down a Siskel and Ebert review rabbit hole.

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Well, that took me down a Siskel and Ebert review rabbit hole.


I got a commercial for Marvel and tuned out.

All those movies are the same, there is almost no plot, and the characters are boring. Only pluses are RDJ and some fight scenes, otherwise they are dumb and boring.


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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
W_Z wrote:
i was rooting for "Boyz in the Hood".


Siskel said that about Boyz in the Hood? I heard him say that in his Terminator review. I guess it was his go to when giving a thumbs down, but he didn't hate it.


no, they loved the movie. i meant i was rooting for it to win Best Picture for 1991.


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Franky T wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Here is the Siskel and Ebert review: https://youtu.be/fgX0hASKpBU

Siskel has some strange thoughts, saying that the musical build up to Lector was too dramatic. There are a ton of reviews on YouTube. Siskel also disliked Aliens for being too much action, and the same with the Terminator.

Well, that took me down a Siskel and Ebert review rabbit hole.


Yeah. I had to stop. They showed really long clips of the movies in the 80s. One other one you might be interested in is a Tonight Show with Leno spot opposite Howard Stern. They seem pretty disgusted by them. So I was surprised how often Ebert would go on Stern's show on the pre-satellite days.

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