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What does Mia get from this other then trying to destroy Woody?

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Mia Farrow had or adopted 14 kids. Three are dead. At least one by suicide. And in 2013 almost 30 years after the fact, she claims that Ronan could be Frank Sinatra's kid. Someone should do a real documentary about what it was like to grow up in that family.

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What does Mia get from this other then trying to destroy Woody?


That would seem like more than enough motivation, but also:

1. Attention.

2. Relevance.

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Mia Farrow had or adopted 14 kids. Three are dead. At least one by suicide. And in 2013 almost 30 years after the fact, she claims that Ronan could be Frank Sinatra's kid. Someone should do a real documentary about what it was like to grow up in that family.


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I understand she is nutty and seemed to collect kids like a menagerie.

I have a very difficult time criticizing people who are willing to adopt.

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I guess the guy is a genius but he must be pretty fucking charming to pull some of the tail he has. I mean he was hitting this when he was 40 and she was 16:

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That is an uber-shiksa, the pinnacle for a lot of weak nerdy Jewish guys.

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Sixteen, emerald-eyed, blond, an aspiring model with a confident streak and a painful past: Babi Christina Engelhardt had just caught Woody Allen's gaze at legendary New York City power restaurant Elaine's. It was October 1976, and when Engelhardt returned from the ladies' room, she dropped a note on his table with her phone number. It brazenly read: "Since you've signed enough autographs, here's mine!"


https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/featu ... ks-1169782

Let's not pretend someone who looks like that and acts like this is powerless in this relationship.

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Sixteen, emerald-eyed, blond, an aspiring model with a confident streak and a painful past: Babi Christina Engelhardt had just caught Woody Allen's gaze at legendary New York City power restaurant Elaine's. It was October 1976, and when Engelhardt returned from the ladies' room, she dropped a note on his table with her phone number. It brazenly read: "Since you've signed enough autographs, here's mine!"


https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/featu ... ks-1169782

Let's not pretend someone who looks like that and acts like this is powerless in this relationship.

Did Allen buy her alcohol?

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Sixteen, emerald-eyed, blond, an aspiring model with a confident streak and a painful past: Babi Christina Engelhardt had just caught Woody Allen's gaze at legendary New York City power restaurant Elaine's. It was October 1976, and when Engelhardt returned from the ladies' room, she dropped a note on his table with her phone number. It brazenly read: "Since you've signed enough autographs, here's mine!"


https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/featu ... ks-1169782

Let's not pretend someone who looks like that and acts like this is powerless in this relationship.

Did Allen buy her alcohol?


Pretty sure it was Ludes in the mid 70s.

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Nothing is shocking after seeing what Weinstein was able to attract.

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Nothing is shocking after seeing what Weinstein was able to attract.



I don't think Harvey really attracted them. He either bought them or forced them.

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Nothing is shocking after seeing what Weinstein was able to attract.



I don't think Harvey really attracted them. He either bought them or forced them.


Agreed...I should have put attract in quotes.

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There are competing claims on the inspiration for Tracy in Manhattan. Stacey Nelkin, another teenager Woody gave the wood, insists the character is based on her. Since Tracy was played by the patrician blonde Mariel Hemingway I'm going to say Ms. Engelhardt has the superior claim here.

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There's a vast ocean between being a scumbag and being a pedophile.


No, there isn't.

Unless you're saying that all pedophiles are scumbags, but all scumbags aren't pedophiles.

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Lot of Bill Cosby type shit going on in the 70s where guys use to drug women and sleep with them. Wouldn't put it past Allen.

And how do we know he bedded anyone ? could just be a cover story.


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There's a vast ocean between being a scumbag and being a pedophile.


No, there isn't.

Unless you're saying that all pedophiles are scumbags, but all scumbags aren't pedophiles.


Obviously.

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Lot of Bill Cosby type shit going on in the 70s where guys use to drug women and sleep with them. Wouldn't put it past Allen.

And how do we know he bedded anyone ? could just be a cover story.



Why would a woman as hot as Christina Engelhardt lie about boinking Fielding Mellish?

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I don’t care much at all about this story but scumbag seems a little generous description wise for what exactly Woody Allen is. Pedophile might not be right the word but he’s clearly a predator of some type, however you want to classify it.

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I don’t care much at all about this story but scumbag seems a little generous description wise for what exactly Woody Allen is. Pedophile might not be right the word but he’s clearly a predator of some type, however you want to classify it.


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Lot of Bill Cosby type shit going on in the 70s where guys use to drug women and sleep with them. Wouldn't put it past Allen.

And how do we know he bedded anyone ? could just be a cover story.



Why would a woman as hot as Christina Engelhardt lie about boinking Fielding Mellish?


to get a movie gig or recognition in the industry. sadly that's what women had to do back then. open themselves to basically rape w/ some famous creep and then brag about it to everyone so other big wig industry creeps would rape them and maybe they get a movie role out of it.

what woman would want to sleep w/ someone like that unless there is a career motive.


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I don’t care much at all about this story but scumbag seems a little generous description wise for what exactly Woody Allen is. Pedophile might not be right the word but he’s clearly a predator of some type, however you want to classify it.



Why do you say that? Because he likes young women? I'm not sure that's the standard for "predator". If it is we should be talking about a lot of other famous men in addition to Woody Allen. You may want to read up on how old Juliette Lewis was when Brad Pitt first banged her, just for one example. (It's interesting that Wikipedia doesn't say anything about it.)

The reason this series was created is because the guy has been accused of molesting his 7 year old adopted daughter. That's an allegation that all evidence shows to be false.

Anyway, there is an interesting documentary to be made from this material. This obviously isn't it, though. This is a work of #metoo propaganda that immediately and uncritically accepts Mia Farrow's version of events.

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HawaiiYou wrote:
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Lot of Bill Cosby type shit going on in the 70s where guys use to drug women and sleep with them. Wouldn't put it past Allen.

And how do we know he bedded anyone ? could just be a cover story.



Why would a woman as hot as Christina Engelhardt lie about boinking Fielding Mellish?


to get a movie gig or recognition in the industry. sadly that's what women had to do back then. open themselves to basically rape w/ some famous creep and then brag about it to everyone so other big wig industry creeps would rape them and maybe they get a movie role out of it.

what woman would want to sleep w/ someone like that unless there is a career motive.


Obviously, that's not what happened. Did you read the magazine article that's linked above?

Here it is again:
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/featu ... ks-1169782

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I don’t care much at all about this story but scumbag seems a little generous description wise for what exactly Woody Allen is. Pedophile might not be right the word but he’s clearly a predator of some type, however you want to classify it.



Why do you say that? Because he likes young women? I'm not sure that's the standard for "predator". If it is we should be talking about a lot of other famous men in addition to Woody Allen. You may want to read up on how old Juliette Lewis was when Brad Pitt first banged her, just for one example. (It's interesting that Wikipedia doesn't say anything about it.)

The reason this series was created is because the guy has been accused of molesting his 7 year old adopted daughter. That's an allegation that all evidence shows to be false.

Anyway, there is an interesting documentary to be made from this material. This obviously isn't it, though. This is a work of #metoo propaganda that immediately and uncritically accepts Mia Farrow's version of events.


Basically every famous rock star and actor is now a "predator of some type" by the standards of #metoo. Leonardo DiCaprio has been fucking a new 18-year-old every year since 1997. Are we supposed to believe he checked IDs every single time? Paul Walker is now considered some departed saint even though he was with someone he started dating when she was 16.

People are afraid to admit that any nuance exists in these situations, or that a gorgeous 17 year old girl does have some power in a relationship dynamic no matter how powerful her partner. In fact that might be the peak of her powers and that's the way it's been for thousands of years.

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Anyway, there is an interesting documentary to be made from this material. This obviously isn't it, though. This is a work of #metoo propaganda that immediately and uncritically accepts Mia Farrow's version of events.


it honestly should just be a footnote in a larger narrative about how hollywood relationships are grown from a different soil completely, and that the motives of relationships come from status and power rather than love. it would be a lot like elitist families or the royal family. like "the crown". it would illuminate just how fucked up it is in that culture.

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Why do you say that? Because he likes young women? I'm not sure that's the standard for "predator". If it is we should be talking about a lot of other famous men in addition to Woody Allen. You may want to read up on how old Juliette Lewis was when Brad Pitt first banged her, just for one example. (It's interesting that Wikipedia doesn't say anything about it.)

The reason this series was created is because the guy has been accused of molesting his 7 year old adopted daughter. That's an allegation that all evidence shows to be false.

Anyway, there is an interesting documentary to be made from this material. This obviously isn't it, though. This is a work of #metoo propaganda that immediately and uncritically accepts Mia Farrow's version of events.


A lot of 17 year old girls would have banged 27 year old Brad Pitt. They probably could have been considered the predator. I would have. :drunken:


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Anyway, there is an interesting documentary to be made from this material. This obviously isn't it, though. This is a work of #metoo propaganda that immediately and uncritically accepts Mia Farrow's version of events.


it honestly should just be a footnote in a larger narrative about how hollywood relationships are grown from a different soil completely, and that the motives of relationships come from status and power rather than love. it would be a lot like elitist families or the royal family. like "the crown". it would illuminate just how fucked up it is in that culture.

someday there's a movie to be made about tom & nicole, for instance.


This scene from the Godfather is illuminating not just for what it is but for why it was removed from the movie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13EmjpXQ8_w

In the book, Vito is particularly angered by the information when Tom returns from California and is a pretty big incentive for the harshness of the response to Woltz. The book shows the dichotomy between the morals of everyday people, even gangsters, and Hollywood.

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Anyway, there is an interesting documentary to be made from this material. This obviously isn't it, though. This is a work of #metoo propaganda that immediately and uncritically accepts Mia Farrow's version of events.


it honestly should just be a footnote in a larger narrative about how hollywood relationships are grown from a different soil completely, and that the motives of relationships come from status and power rather than love. it would be a lot like elitist families or the royal family. like "the crown". it would illuminate just how fucked up it is in that culture.

someday there's a movie to be made about tom & nicole, for instance.



This kind of ties into the stat that RPB cites from 60 Minutes regarding 25% of evangelicals and 20% of Catholics holding "QAnon beliefs". But what does that really mean? My contention is that a very tiny percentage of people actually know what QAnon is. I don't really know anything about it and I'm 100% certain I know way more than most people. I'm pretty sure "Q" is a guy claiming to be a former CIA agent. I don't even know where I heard that and I don't know where to go to get Q updates or info. I'm guessing on 4chan.

But anyway, I'm sure one of the "QAnon beliefs" that those evangelicals and Catholics hold is that there are different social and sexual mores for elites than those that are held by most of the middle and lower class people who make up the country. I'll give you an example. If I would have shown up at the door of Studio 54 when I was 17 years old I would have been refused entry and laughed at. But you can find photos of 12 year old Drew Barrymore there with a drink and a cigarette. And nobody really thought anything about it.

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I don’t care much at all about this story but scumbag seems a little generous description wise for what exactly Woody Allen is. Pedophile might not be right the word but he’s clearly a predator of some type, however you want to classify it.



Why do you say that? Because he likes young women? I'm not sure that's the standard for "predator".

I don't care enough to debate the semantics of predator here. A guy that steals your wallet or is a deadbeat dad is a scumbag. A middle aged man who hooks up with his girlfriend's teenage daughter is something else. This was the case before MeToo and is still the case.

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I don’t care much at all about this story but scumbag seems a little generous description wise for what exactly Woody Allen is. Pedophile might not be right the word but he’s clearly a predator of some type, however you want to classify it.



Why do you say that? Because he likes young women? I'm not sure that's the standard for "predator".

I don't care enough to debate the semantics of predator here. A guy that steals your wallet or is a deadbeat dad is a scumbag. A middle aged man who hooks up with his girlfriend's teenage daughter is something else. This was the case before MeToo and is still the case.


I think what really gets lost in the Soon Yi discussion is that she was an orphan from a foreign country living in a non traditional family with no male leadership. Add in that she was so young. There are so many inequalities and obvious non amorous psychological needs that Woody fills that I'd call it, per se manipulative. A real man would recognize it and say no from the beginning.

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