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I agree with Ogie. Vaughn looks ready. No reason to keep him down

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we're basing opinions of players on early spring training production?

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Hoping that Andrew Vaughn is ready is such a low rent, small market move. Don't hope that an unproven prospect comes through. Sign a guy, and have him as a bonus if he performs.

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Hoping that Andrew Vaughn is ready is such a low rent, small market move. Don't hope that an unproven prospect comes through. Sign a guy, and have him as a bonus if he performs.

It's the smart move. The kid was #3 pick overall 2 years ago and was absolutely raking last spring as well before Covid shut it down. Hahn was saying last year that his bat was ready for the majors after watching him at the Schaumburg facility. Vaughn is one of those kids you need to hit with in order to have a sustained window for most of the decade so time to put him out there and let him show why he won the Golden Spikes Award

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Hoping that Andrew Vaughn is ready is such a low rent, small market move. Don't hope that an unproven prospect comes through. Sign a guy, and have him as a bonus if he performs.

It's the smart move. The kid was #3 pick overall 2 years ago and was absolutely raking last spring as well before Covid shut it down. Hahn was saying last year that his bat was ready for the majors after watching him at the Schaumburg facility. Vaughn is one of those kids you need to hit with in order to have a sustained window for most of the decade so time to put him out there and let him show why he won the Golden Spikes Award


I prefer to spend money now, especially after saying it will be spent after missing out on Machado. There are still too many question marks on this team that it supposedly playing for the World Series this year. Lance Lynn is fine, but how about getting an ace to bump rag arm Kuechel down a slot.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
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Hoping that Andrew Vaughn is ready is such a low rent, small market move. Don't hope that an unproven prospect comes through. Sign a guy, and have him as a bonus if he performs.

It's the smart move. The kid was #3 pick overall 2 years ago and was absolutely raking last spring as well before Covid shut it down. Hahn was saying last year that his bat was ready for the majors after watching him at the Schaumburg facility. Vaughn is one of those kids you need to hit with in order to have a sustained window for most of the decade so time to put him out there and let him show why he won the Golden Spikes Award


I prefer to spend money now, especially after saying it will be spent after missing out on Machado. There are still too many question marks on this team that it supposedly playing for the World Series this year. Lance Lynn is fine, but how about getting an ace to bump rag arm Kuechel down a slot.



I think that's a move you make in July depending on where you're at and how you stand. Obviously, the hope is that Cease takes a leap forward and if Lopez/Rodon aren't cutting it maybe Crochet or Kopech successfully grabs a rotation spot. If not then there are pieces that can be moved for an available top-of-rotation pitcher. Ideally, you can win with what you have. I'm not trying to save Jerry's money. I just don't want it wasted unnecessarily. There will come a time when it's really needed and I don't want it tied up in a guy like "Losing Pitcher" John Danks.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Hoping that Andrew Vaughn is ready is such a low rent, small market move. Don't hope that an unproven prospect comes through. Sign a guy, and have him as a bonus if he performs.

It's the smart move. The kid was #3 pick overall 2 years ago and was absolutely raking last spring as well before Covid shut it down. Hahn was saying last year that his bat was ready for the majors after watching him at the Schaumburg facility. Vaughn is one of those kids you need to hit with in order to have a sustained window for most of the decade so time to put him out there and let him show why he won the Golden Spikes Award


I prefer to spend money now, especially after saying it will be spent after missing out on Machado. There are still too many question marks on this team that it supposedly playing for the World Series this year. Lance Lynn is fine, but how about getting an ace to bump rag arm Kuechel down a slot.



I think that's a move you make in July depending on where you're at and how you stand. Obviously, the hope is that Cease takes a leap forward and if Lopez/Rodon aren't cutting it maybe Crochet or Kopech successfully grabs a rotation spot. If not then there are pieces that can be moved for an available top-of-rotation pitcher. Ideally, you can win with what you have. I'm not trying to save Jerry's money. I just don't want it wasted unnecessarily. There will come a time when it's really needed and I don't want it tied up in a guy like "Losing Pitcher" John Danks.


I understand the thinking on it, but I don't understand how they are spending money. Losing McCann hurts, and we went with a guy who seems to have lost it four years ago as the defensive backup. I am not sure what pieces they have to trade in July now either since we are penciling in Vaughn and others into the everyday line-up.

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AAA start pushed back to May 4. I can't see how they are going to have Vaughn just sit around for a month to then get some AB at Charlotte. It is more likely that they just start him and if he is overmatched then send him down to Charlotte for three weeks to fuck with his service time.

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AAA start pushed back to May 4. I can't see how they are going to have Vaughn just sit around for a month to then get some AB at Charlotte. It is more likely that they just start him and if he is overmatched then send him down to Charlotte for three weeks to fuck with his service time.

They aren't holding extended spring training this year?

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AAA start pushed back to May 4. I can't see how they are going to have Vaughn just sit around for a month to then get some AB at Charlotte. It is more likely that they just start him and if he is overmatched then send him down to Charlotte for three weeks to fuck with his service time.

They aren't holding extended spring training this year?

They are having the AA and A ball players show up in Arizona after the big leaguers leave. AAA was supposed to start right after opening day but they announced yesterday they are pushing it back to the same May 4 start date as AA and A ball.

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Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
AAA start pushed back to May 4. I can't see how they are going to have Vaughn just sit around for a month to then get some AB at Charlotte. It is more likely that they just start him and if he is overmatched then send him down to Charlotte for three weeks to fuck with his service time.


I don't say this very much about a prospect, but I'm pretty sure he won't be overmatched.

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Hoping that Andrew Vaughn is ready is such a low rent, small market move. Don't hope that an unproven prospect comes through. Sign a guy, and have him as a bonus if he performs.

Sign Dunn, LaRoche, or Encarnacion.


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Nardi wrote:
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Hoping that Andrew Vaughn is ready is such a low rent, small market move. Don't hope that an unproven prospect comes through. Sign a guy, and have him as a bonus if he performs.

Sign Dunn, LaRoche, or Encarnacion.


So because past signing have not worked it means they never will? Nelson Cruz is the heart and soul of the Twins. Signing him would have given them an open path to easily winning the division. Now they are fairly evenly matched up based on current projections.

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Hoping that Andrew Vaughn is ready is such a low rent, small market move. Don't hope that an unproven prospect comes through. Sign a guy, and have him as a bonus if he performs.

Sign Dunn, LaRoche, or Encarnacion.


So because past signing have not worked it means they never will? Nelson Cruz is the heart and soul of the Twins. Signing him would have given them an open path to easily winning the division. Now they are fairly evenly matched up based on current projections.

Fuck Nelson Cruz. Let him die on the vine with our rival. A great non-move by the Sox.


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There is no way Nelson Cruz isn't on the juice. Guys don't just discover power they didn't have after age 30 naturally.

I'll ride or die with Vaughn this year as DH.

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Sox off to a good start today

Robert single, Eaton walk, Eloy RBI single, Eaton scoring from 3rd on a sacrifice, and Merecedes driving home Eloy on a hard single

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Guys don't just discover power they didn't have after age 30 naturally.
Can say the same thing about pitchers too.
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Arrietta's breakout year came at the age of 28, dumbass.


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A guy who has a career ERA over 5 and a .444 win percentage at 28 years old is all the more likely to start using the juice, genius.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
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Hoping that Andrew Vaughn is ready is such a low rent, small market move. Don't hope that an unproven prospect comes through. Sign a guy, and have him as a bonus if he performs.

Sign Dunn, LaRoche, or Encarnacion.


So because past signing have not worked it means they never will? Nelson Cruz is the heart and soul of the Twins. Signing him would have given them an open path to easily winning the division. Now they are fairly evenly matched up based on current projections.


There are just too many guys already on the roster or in their system that they can use at DH. It's a waste of money. However, I could have done with a better right fielder.


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AAA start pushed back to May 4. I can't see how they are going to have Vaughn just sit around for a month to then get some AB at Charlotte. It is more likely that they just start him and if he is overmatched then send him down to Charlotte for three weeks to fuck with his service time.


I don't say this very much about a prospect, but I'm pretty sure he won't be overmatched.

I would tend to agree. Especially since they have enough pieces to rest him against some nastier #1 starters at first, and they can probably hit him 6th.

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With a delayed start in the minors, why bother fucking with service time?

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With a delayed start in the minors, why bother fucking with service time?


yeah, that definitely adds a difficulty to the situation

Is AA season delayed?

I would like to see what Collins can do with a couple of weeks of regular ab. If they could start Vaughn in AA to hopefully dominate, then get Collins going before settling in at backup c, it would be a nice scenario

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yeah, that definitely adds a difficulty to the situation

Is AA season delayed?

I would like to see what Collins can do with a couple of weeks of regular ab. If they could start Vaughn in AA to hopefully dominate, then get Collins going before settling in at backup c, it would be a nice scenario

The AA season was supposed to start right around that time anyway, they were starting after AAA.

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That scheduling is really going to fuck some things up.

Let's say a team has a guy who legitimately is not ready, or maybe rehabbing an injury...even something minor like a muscle pull/strain that happened in the Spring. Extended Spring Training is their only option for the first month of the MLB season?

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