I think that there is a lot to this that too many of us denigrate improperly.

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It's not nuance.

I'm willing to operate under the assumption that most moms that aren't suffering from post partum are going to kill their children and then blame post partum depression. I had some pretty rough days but I didn't think about killing my kids, and I for sure didn't say I'm going to kill this little fucker and try to get out of it with post partum defense. That's bonkers and you are in a whole nother level of crazy and they should not be in society or even alive if we are doing that.

This guy gets it.

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Wasn't Judge Byrne the guy who was livid about the limp bond request for a habitual criminal some months back?

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There are only two examples of infinity: The universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe.

You are boiling it down to it's simplest terms and claiming the moral high ground. It's not that easy. Especially if you don't have money and support. It sounds similar to people that think about suicide. With 3 kids under 3 she might not have slept in 3 years. It's hard to do for 6 months or more. I can't imagine.

The post partum "depression" defense worked for her. Now there's nothing to stop someone from thinking that's a get out of jail free card going forward if they get sick of their kids.

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Its not easy to NOT kill your kid? Yikes.

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Ok. I think I do have the moral high ground vs. a child murderer. Maybe I'm wrong. And simplicity is key. She doesn't have money or support? Don't have babies then. How hard is that? He'll they were giving away rubbers for free even 21 years ago.

The only way it's excusable to take a life is when it is in legitimate defense of your own or that of those whom you are responsible for. You can never tell me that taking the life of a baby is excusable. Or understandable. Like I said her ticket to the big show is revoked. She can work it out with God when she meets him. Or whomever she finds herself in front of when that time comes.

There's nothing that sickens me more than people that hurt their children. It's repulsive.

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Where did you play your ball? You ever take care of 3 kids under 3 with no money, never sleeping, and little support? I sure as fuck did not. I have (some) money had 2 kids under 3 and had to call for help a handful of times. If I didn't have that help who knows what I would have done. I've never been there. I'd be willing to bet none of you have either and it's not as easy as you make it sound, I know that for sure.

Is it easy to not get pregnant 3 times in 3 years when you have no money or support? That was the start of extremely irresponsible and self destructive behavior on her part.

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This guy also gets it.

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Repulsive then, yes. But you can't take a blanket approach to this.

What do you mean by blanket approach?

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I don't think this will be an issue going forward. If this becomes a trend I'll be happy to say I was wrong. I'd be more concerned with the abortion issues if you really feel strongly about life.

Whole separate issue.

No, we had 3 kids when we were financially and emotionally prepared for it. I’m typing this while sitting next to my 2yr old and the idea somebody could do what she did to a child of that size is repulsive.

Most parents have moments of frustration or fatigue or whatever. Nearly all of them opt against hitting or killing a toddler in response.

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I give no shits about the potential future defense of future baby killers.

I can only imagine that child's last moments unable to breathe because her mommy was killing her. She died terrified because the only person there to protect her was murdering her

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They seem pretty linked in this case.

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It wasn't when you brought it up as a mitigating factor

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Yes, completely. Now think if your life were the complete opposite. I'd be willing to bet in all of your preparedness you've had the moments of just go to bed. You'd do anything if they would just go to bed. Multiply that feeling by a billion with no preparedness and that might have been where she was. You ever been responsible for kids days on end?

It's what is/was not what could have/ should? have been.

Should she have not had (the amount of in a short time span) babies or should society (the gov) just given her money?

I wonder if not having to pay for her kid's school lunch would have eased the stress she was under? Maybe one thing she wouldn't have to worry about.

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What? Dude. It's not like one day she woke up and God placed three babies in her care. The choice to murder her child was the last in a series of terrible decisions she made over the course of three years.
She wasn't victimized by having kids dropped on her for no reason.
Honestly I'm not even sure what you're trying to say here.

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Yes I’ve been responsible for days on end, no I can’t put myself in the head space of somebody capable of murdering a toddler.

No amount of frustration, tiredness, etc. gives context to her choices.

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Such a petty asshole.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

You come back to this often but I don't have an issue with free lunches. I have an issue with offering them to an entire district whether or not they need it. The lunches are mostly garbage at least at the hot lunch level or half gets thrown out. The government does a shit job at almost everything, we should never be reliant on them. They aren't good at most things and this past year proves that. Schools specifically think they have "unlimited" budgets and really they do. It's fucking sick. I'd rather see what the community could do or put the money in the hands of the parents and involve them and I'm open to other ideas but the government being in charge isn't one of them. They suck.

Prison is there for the safety of you, me and everyone else. So yes, you can choose to forgive, or say, she has tried to do better and 20 years is enough.

20 years in an IL prison is quite a punishment.

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By yourself or little help hours and days on end? I find that hard to believe because I thought you worked.

So is being dead at 2 years old.

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